Curse

Xsiriss · Dec 01, 2010, 12:28 PM // 12:28

Everything within the past 6, count them 6, months of supposed content and updates has been so lacklustre it's surreal. Don't get me wrong I'm a fan of WiK and that I will acknowledge is good, however everything else is subpar.

I'm also aware that they have a small live time working on GW1, but where exactly is the test crewe? As I understand it the test crewe does just that,TEST, whilst the live team makes it happen. There is little excuse for the lack of effort. We've had the standard promises and then half promises of updates, namely of course the dervish update which we will definitey, maybe, probably recieve sometime within the next decade...that's if they're not too busy flogging whatever 'costumes' they bring out (I'll admit I do like the Lich one) at the first excuse. 'Hey yeah there's gonna be a wedding in the storyline, here get in spirit!', even though you know it'll take place in an instance with probably a couple of mates and some heroes.

Which brings me on to the next point. Costumes aren't content, just like cutscenes are also not content and this new 'Hearts of the North' stuff? Uninspiring and frankly boring, it's the same old 'scavenge around to find the quests/wait for the questline to come up on wiki ---> Do them ---> Get rewards ---> Wait for next quest to come out.' Give us something to actually do, you know like revamp dervishes as promised and confirm whether or not you are actually going to implement 7 heroes rather than work on a seasonal and mediocre arena (cough costume brawl). Then think about quests, or better yet incorporate them with REAL changes.

I like guildwars, but there are limits. The same content and stale skills ( Yes the whole useless skills idea cropping up again) from 5 years ago is wholy unnattractive. Furthermore keep one goal in mind, don't tell us you're balancing a class, then say you're reworking an arena, then tell us you're thinking of 7heroes and THEN continue with the Guildwars Beyond stuff. I've been observing the past months seeing how it all turns out, and here on a snow day when colleges/schools I'm completely uncompelled to play GW at this time. I know a lot of you will hate and be like 'play a different game then u n00b!111111' well I have been and after these months it's sad to see it's all still pretty aimless. Which sums it up pretty well : aimless.

Hyperventilate · Dec 01, 2010, 12:43 PM // 12:43

While I agree with you on some points, I don't exactly see the point in this post... Anet has been slacking on GW1 and unless we've got insider info, we'll never know why. (Cue: Anet sucks, doesn't care about their players, gw is dead, etc comments. Just Get them out of the way and out of your system.)

The little I have heard about the Test Krewe is that they function by forum only and most of them have left the TK. Not that it really matters, they didn't do much anyway.

Personally, I think they want to get this chapter of GW:B out of the way before they concentrate on any of the "mega" stuff, like the 7 heros (Although I assume that would be simple -- I have limited experience with game managing/developing, so I could very likely be wrong.) and the Dervish update.

Still.... Not much we can do about it.

Iuris · Dec 01, 2010, 01:08 PM // 13:08

Ever since they announced GW2, which was also the announcement of the end of the 6month expansion system, every update we get is a bonus.

Stop expecting them, you're not paying for them - they are promotions for GW2. So take them as such.

Or, best of all - take a bloody break! Play something else! You're not married to GW, it's not like a wife - you can ignore her for a long time and cheat around and she'll still welcome you to bed when you come home...

fowlero · Dec 01, 2010, 01:14 PM // 13:14

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Or, best of all - take a bloody break! Play something else! You're not married to GW, it's not like a wife - you can ignore her for a long time and cheat around and she'll still welcome you to bed when you come home...

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I know a lot of you will hate and be like 'play a different game then u n00b!111111' well I have been and after these months it's sad to see it's all still pretty aimless. Which sums it up pretty well : aimless.

Might wanna read a lil closer next time.

It's depressing how slow things are with the lack of manpower, and the TK really doesn't do a whole lot so you can't simply say "use the test krewe!". The pvp one runs at least weekly tests on prospective changes so there are things happening, it's just slow and that's not gonna change.

I do dislike time spent on these costumes as well but you can't blame them for generating revenue when a lot of players seem to like them.

syronj · Dec 01, 2010, 01:17 PM // 13:17

I'm not sure there will be dervishes in GW 2. I get the feeling that it's not as popular a choice as several of the other professions.

I'm looking forward to the new Canthan content.

Archress Shayleigh · Dec 01, 2010, 01:24 PM // 13:24

I agree and yet.. this is purely a rant thread.. I sense a /threadclose coming soon :O

beatdownbob · Dec 01, 2010, 01:28 PM // 13:28

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I'm not sure there will be dervishes in GW 2. I get the feeling that it's not as popular a choice as several of the other professions.

I'm looking forward to the new Canthan content.

Well there's no monks in gw2 and they were incredibly popular.
I get the feeling that it's not about popularity.

It saddens me this way, but given the years of enjoyment I've had from GW1, it would seem Anet know a thing or two about surprising me and making me happy. I'd rather they didn't do what I wanted anyway, I'd rather they did something I didn't know I wanted.

The Josip · Dec 01, 2010, 01:35 PM // 13:35

The reason why I find GW extremely boring is not the lack of new content or less people playing. I gave it a thought and it turned out that the reason why I liked GW so much was frequent SKILL BALANCE.

That meant I can be creative, test, experiment, and most of all it made it look like developers actually want balanced gameplay. With frequent skill balances I could revisit same area in a different way and have lots of fun.

Now? Gone. Dust. Stale.

And before you say 'I didn't pay for frequent skill balances and have no right to expect then because of GW2', that's just BS. My account has every campaign including BMP. I supported the game. (I didn't buy costumes I didn't like). I would have rather given money to GW for frequent skill balances if that was possibility, but this stopped being important to ANet. They clearly did the math and grind was more profitable. Skill balances are opposite of grind.. grind is stale, not dynamic, and grind just requires one uberpowered build (SF, Ursan, doesn't matter). Fine, I said, and stopped playing.

I will not be buying GW2.

dasmitchies · Dec 01, 2010, 01:37 PM // 13:37

Anet fails, seriously. Just Deal. With the holiday content they have had no time to do as they have promised. Costumes were about revenues and all of their updates since costume introduction has revolved around them. They learned from runescape and such. Free content ,but wait there is more (yougotta pay for it). They have allready implemented pay $ for stuffs in gw2 and in gw1 nothing will be prioritized over $ content. No hero update. No dervish update. Nothing that was promised will be dealt with as their limited manpower is aimed at $ content. Don't believe me? W8 for wintersday costumes, they will be new. If this system is prevalent in gw2 (they have hinted it is for item modifications) I wont be buying.

Arduin · Dec 01, 2010, 01:38 PM // 13:38

Anet promises something -> Anet doesn't deliver -> fans are disappointed -> Anet promises something again -> Anet doesn't deliver -> fans gets disappointed again

Stop victimizing yourself. If you haven't learned by now to not expect too much from Anet concerning skill updates or added content for GW1, you are the one to blame, because you are fooling yourself over and over for years and years.

Also think about it. No amount of added content will bring back the fun if you have been playing GW for years and have done everything possible. No skillbalance will suddenly make this game any more fun, because the game is old, you've done it all numerous times, the challenge is gone.

If you are uncompelled to play GW at this time so what? It is allowed to refrain from playing if you are not enjoying it. Forcing yourself to play, hating it every minute, coming on a forum to complain how you are feeling neglected is a bad habit and borders more on obsessive and addictive behaviour. Do you really want to wait for an update, is this how you see yourself spending your free time? Playing a game, being bored, thinking, "I wish the Derv update was released already, or the new campaign in Cantha started"?

Sound advice: take a step back.

dasmitchies · Dec 01, 2010, 01:41 PM // 13:41

BTw, forgot, If you didn't like thakery solo quests don't buy gw2. That line was a deliberate attempt to indoctrinate gw players to gw2 style play. 1 player + companion + no monk. Anet you are so transparent.

FengShuiDove · Dec 01, 2010, 01:44 PM // 13:44

ANet is pulled together. It's just not on GW1. And the fan base needs to act accordingly.

It's not the same development team as it was 4 years ago. Don't expect the same level of attention.

Stuart444 · Dec 01, 2010, 01:46 PM // 13:46

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Originally Posted by dasmitchies

That line was a deliberate attempt to indoctrinate gw players to gw2 style play. 1 player + companion + no monk.

Do you have proof? If not then don't make baseless assumptions.

Also there isn't any AI companions I believe in GW2, other players yes but not AI companions (apart from pets of course)

Xsiriss · Dec 01, 2010, 01:53 PM // 13:53

Few things:

Firstly for the love of God learn to read, I haven't bothered playing GW apart from checking the new 'Hearts of the North stuff. I'm not sitting around pining after something I'm very aware will probably not happen this year.

Which leads me on to my next point. This is more of a critique thread, I do appeciate the WiK as effort was put in to that and it was pretty fun. I do not however appreciate their completely mixed up direction at the moment, it's not clear as to whether they've remembered their class update ideas or are just going full throttle for GW:B.

My main gripe is how stale it is, and unlike what Arduin has said balancing and changing skills DOES breath life back in to the game. There's a lot of fun to be had with developing new builds, for PvP and PvE, let alone playing them. Rather than using the same old tried and tested ones you'd have multiple opitons. Which is NEVER a bad thing. If you're happy with stale that's fine, but I'm not and a lot of other people aren't which is why may of the 'oldschool' players are no longer with us. Maybe you should think a little more before speaking.

The Josip · Dec 01, 2010, 01:55 PM // 13:55

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Also think about it. No amount of added content will bring back the fun if you have been playing GW for years and have done everything possible. No skillbalance will suddenly make this game any more fun

You're wrong. I did gave it a thought as I said. And guess what, I had lots of fun taking non Prophecy characters to Tyria continent. Yes, I did it all before, but now I did it differently.

SKILLS were content for me. Not new maps and colors. Do you really think content for me was storyline? I could have read a book instead. Do you really think content for me was music? I could've put better one (or go back to gw1 music anyway). Do you really think content for me were titles that encouraged grind?

SKILLS and skill balances are content. Combat is content. That's it. That's the real content of Guild Wars. Creativity. Guild Wars was built on creativity. It thrived on it.

Now, that is all gone. A long time ago. Of course, it's a normal process.. things come and go. But the sad part is that what made GW popular and great is gone. Right now GW is just another grind MMO.

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which is why may of the 'oldschool' players are no longer with us

Yup, and we're not gonna come back. This isn't the game we bought.

Arduin · Dec 01, 2010, 02:08 PM // 14:08

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I read your post afterwards, and I should have had nuanced mine a bit. Fact remains, like The Josip stated, Anet stopped updating any kind of content, or at least shifted it back some gears.

I'm not happy with stale gameplay, that's why I said all challenge is gone. If your interest will be totally revamped with a skill update, more power to you. Do know that you won't get those very often. I might have misinterpreted your post as 'yet another rant, Xsiriss. My bad. Will douse my flames for a bit.

drkn · Dec 01, 2010, 02:11 PM // 14:11

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The little I have heard about the Test Krewe is that they function by forum only and most of them have left the TK.

Can anyone confirm/decline this?

The new content we got is actually great, especially when judged by the manpower they have left to work on GW1. Sure, it's out of balance here and there, it'd use some tweaking, i may not like the HotN general feeling and Gwen's 'evolution' throughout the game... but that's personal taste. All in all, GW: B serves its purpose really well - making a bridge towards GW2's lore. If you're not that much into lore, it's understandable you won't enjoy the new content that much, but, well, that's your own problem.
Lack of balances, or just skill updates that try to balance/shake something up is disturbing. If it's true that a big part of TK left the project, it would answer some issues. Still, i feel that making dartboard and/or non-complex updates is, generally, better than no updates at all - but again, that's just my personal taste. Even so, the TK might be made bigger and get more freedom, so that the Live Team may prep content, while TK tries to balance things out.

That said, this thread is just another rant on topic covered nicely in many other places and it'll probably get closed soon.

Meridon · Dec 01, 2010, 02:16 PM // 14:16

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Originally Posted by The Josip

SKILLS and skill balances are content. Combat is content. That's it. That's the real content of Guild Wars. Creativity.

That's one opinion. Other people may think of this differently, don't forget that.

Kumu Honua · Dec 01, 2010, 02:47 PM // 14:47

I enjoy the Hearts of the North content. It was repetitive and could probably have simply been 2 missions, but was still enjoyable, but then again, I enjoyed the storybooks too.

Just because YOU (Speaking to whoever has the same opinion) dislike the content doesn't mean that it isn't content. It was content aimed at my enjoyment, and who are you to say that it's not enough.

I personally abhor the costumes and complete inability to obtain them in game. However there are many who do enjoy them and I do not begrudge them one bit. They are still content.

Artists making costumes does not preclude skill updates of which they probably have zero impact on...

syronj · Dec 01, 2010, 03:02 PM // 15:02

Sorry for the noob question, but why are skills updated; why are updates desirable? I guess if a build gets too powerful it gets nerfed by the company, but apart from that, maybe someone could explain.