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Quaker · Jan 12, 2011, 04:18 PM // 16:18

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Originally Posted by Bright Star Shine

Now my question, would it be considered illegal to trade items with someone in GW1 in return for items in GW2?

As Perkunas said above, I don't see how anyone could ever determine that a person giving/trading an item in GW1 was doing so because of a trade that took place in GW2. Maybe, if the same people (or 1 person) were doing it over and over, but certainly not on a one-off basis.

Whether or not that would be contrary to the EULA would be up to ANet. (It's not "illegal" in strictly legal sense.)

Bright Star Shine · Jan 12, 2011, 04:58 PM // 16:58

Changed OP to "against the EULA" because ppl were starting to annoy me :P.

Well, I dunno how they track it, but 1 way trades can be detected and then they monitor you I guess... I think the easiest way is still go in an explorable and drop the items (again, I've never done it, and not planning to either)

Kumu Honua · Jan 12, 2011, 05:58 PM // 17:58

This will not be permitted. Much like the sale of "Aion Wing Codes" was not permitted. If you get reported you will get suspended.

Experience? Yes. I dodged a suspension when I reported someone who scammed me for an Aion wing code. (Before I was aware that it was not permitted). I too figured. In game cash for another game item, gotta be legal.

Yawgmoth · Jan 12, 2011, 05:59 PM // 17:59

No matter what will be the official Anet ruling on it I easily see there WILL be an enormous lots of such trades done.
There will be huge demand for GW2 items/currency because it's all new and there will be obvious demand for GW1 HoM items or currency among GW2 players who happen to have an GW1 account. And the exchange rates will be really fun to look at

bsoltan · Jan 12, 2011, 06:12 PM // 18:12

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Originally Posted by Rushin Roulette

Thats the first time Ive ever heard that. lol. Please show the passage in the User Agreement where it states you cant trade items here for (Ingame and free) items from another game.

The only passage is the one against RMT which is explicitly against real money trading.

Trading items in GW1 against items in GW2 or even WoW isnt against the User agreement as far as I know, you just have to be able to back up your claim against an automatic ban from Anet if you are flagged for suspected RMT actions.

I said it shouldn't be allowed, not that it wasn't like most I've never read the EULA for GW.

However the leap between real money and ingame items of other games isn't as big as you make out. Yes you could look at it on one scale and say that the rule only applies to existing global currencies in circulation, but yet it would be ok if I trade my req9 Shortbow for four loaves of bread and a can of beer.
Or you can simply look at it as all trades should be conducted in game in exchange for other in game items and any trades that are for items external are a big no no.

The only time real money comes in are because people are selling something that doesn't belong to them for profit.

Tommy's · Jan 12, 2011, 06:46 PM // 18:46

So you can have items in GW that influence GW2 trough HoM, but you can't trade between them. I somehow doubts Anet is going to forbid it, as it most likely will improve their sales (being it by a very little bit). I'd think there are some people that go, hey what the hack I'll by gw, get to HoM quickly and trade a full HoM package from some superspecial gw2 sword and get that rockfur racoon I wanted so badly.

So perhabs Anet will state that they will do not do anything to improve/make it more easy to trade between games, and will leave it to players their own risks?

Lordshonsu · Jan 12, 2011, 08:15 PM // 20:15

I dont think we will be able to trade between games because GW2 is like 250 yrs after GW1. so i dont think it is possible

unless of course ur talking about the way ppl trade stuff in pre. pre item for post gold or post gold for pre money

BenjZee · Jan 12, 2011, 08:16 PM // 20:16

One of the main ideas of Guild Wars two was to start fresh.

In all fairness the onl legal way you could do this would be give someone an item... for free

and they give u a service in other game for free. Thats the only way you can justify this, but dont go complaining to Anet as this idea is also very open to scams

Spike Stritter · Jan 12, 2011, 10:09 PM // 22:09

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Originally Posted by Tommy's

So you can have items in GW that influence GW2 trough HoM, but you can't trade between them.

I've heard that the stuff in HoM is all decorative and just for looks (titles and minipets). However, the armor and weapons you get seems to make me believe otherwise.
Point is this discussion can go back and forth forever but until there is like some official word on it, no real conclusion will be reached.

Bright Star Shine · Jan 12, 2011, 10:52 PM // 22:52

Well, at least you can discuss it, see how people think of it, pro's con's etc..

Thanks for moving the thread btw.

Again, it would make sense if it would be ok, but it also would make sense if it wouldn't be.

It's not like post-pre trading imo, since there you trade stuff from the same accounts (although GW2-GW1 accounts are sort of the same too).. But also the argument from the HoM thingy makes sense too.

It will most certainly be done (a reason why I'm holding on to my pile of ecto's^^) but I would like to know if Anet already thought about it, and what their thoughts were. Because, it's such a strange matter..

Black Metal · Jan 13, 2011, 12:03 AM // 00:03

it's only illegal if you get caught

so be smart and make it look legit -- I trade between my alt accounts every day and haven't been 'caught' (I put quotes on that because there's nothing wrong with doing this)

Swingline · Jan 13, 2011, 12:13 AM // 00:13

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Originally Posted by Yawgmoth

No matter what will be the official Anet ruling on it I easily see there WILL be an enormous lots of such trades done.
There will be huge demand for GW2 items/currency because it's all new and there will be obvious demand for GW1 HoM items or currency among GW2 players who happen to have an GW1 account. And the exchange rates will be really fun to look at

Cannot wait to see the exchange rates as well and how GW1 will be effected. I assume the game will be dead first 2 or 3 months then see a spike in GW1 activity since people new to the GW games will probably buy GW1 and I'm sure they will make a platinum edtion with all games at a reasonable price like neverwinter nights. This may even further the demand for GW1 items.

Pro = GW1 will still be active after GW2 release

Spike Stritter · Jan 13, 2011, 12:14 AM // 00:14

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Originally Posted by Bright Star Shine

Well, at least you can discuss it, see how people think of it, pro's con's etc..

Thanks for moving the thread btw.

From what I've seen, no one is discussing or establishing the pro's/con's. Everyone is either saying it is allowed or isn't. This is because you asked if it will be allowed or not, you didn't ask why would it good/bad if you could or couldn't. I'm all for discussing that.

And you're welcome

RedDog91 · Jan 13, 2011, 12:24 AM // 00:24

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Originally Posted by Spike Stritter

I've heard that the stuff in HoM is all decorative and just for looks (titles and minipets). However, the armor and weapons you get seems to make me believe otherwise.

All armor/weapons from HoM will be obtained at your character's level. If you are lvl12, it will give you armor/weapons of generic lvl12 stats.
You can't get lvl80 armor on lvl3

So, yes, it is purely cosmetic.

Bassma · Jan 13, 2011, 12:25 AM // 00:25

First of all where does it say that players from GW2 will be able to interact/trade with players from GW1 anyway? They are two different games and intities there shouldn't be any way to trade or interact in any way between the two. The HOM is merely there for bonuses in GW2 not for interaction.

BrettM · Jan 13, 2011, 12:59 AM // 00:59

The trades the OP is talking about don't involve a character in one game trading with a character in the other. This is like trading between pre- and post-searing, where both players have pre-searing characters and both have post-searing characters. The two pre-searing characters trade with each other, then the two post-searing characters trade with each other.

In this case, both players would need to have characters in both games.

Just Sai · Jan 13, 2011, 01:03 AM // 01:03

well, player to player for self benefit without effort should be stomped on.

but as an afterthought...

what if you could "bury" an item from your gw1 account, then go dig it up 250 years later in gw2

i find minor irony in this

... 250 years later in gw2

seems to be taking that long to be released to us

gremlin · Jan 13, 2011, 01:18 AM // 01:18

I "insert name here" being of sound mind.

Leave all my worldly goods to my next decendant that bears my illustrious name.

Ok that should fix it assuming the xunlai people have kept it all in magical stasis and haven't gone bust in the meanwhile.

Bright Star Shine · Jan 13, 2011, 01:31 AM // 01:31

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Originally Posted by Just Sai

what if you could "bury" an item from your gw1 account, then go dig it up 250 years later in gw2

i find minor irony in this

... 250 years later in gw2

Not talking bout the actual correctness because f*ck that :P

Ok, since indeed no-one is either giving pro-cons i'll make a little list:

Pro:
*It makes sense, it's the same game, same franchise, same company after all
*If HoM can be used to transfer items, this should be sort of correct-ish too
*You're not trading for IRL items after all
*It will be done anyway

Cons:
*How would you check/prove it?
*It's still trading for items that are not in the game

P.S.: For the historical correctness, that one is flawed too, because with dragons rupturing the planet, peninsula's rising from the seas and demons walking around, your buried items will either be buried beneath a dragon's bathroom, or underneath a horde of demons, or they plowed the ground and it would be gone. Therefor, no historically, it won't be possible either^^

EDIT: I'll put the pro's/con's in OP

Kunder · Jan 13, 2011, 01:35 AM // 01:35

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Originally Posted by Anshuri

Im curious about that too. They would need some kind of evidence of it being an actual "illegal trade" befor they can ban ppl for it. But where do they get that kind of evidence? Sure they prolly can ready chatlogs and see if there's any discussion going on or has been going on about it, but if not?

They have some kind of measure of how 'close' you are to the person. Someone that you have talked to or been friends with for a few months? Probably not a problem. Someone that you have never played with before getting 250e for seemingly no reason? Yeah, that triggers an alarm.