Curse

Ka Tet · Jan 13, 2011, 03:55 AM // 03:55

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Originally Posted by Bright Star Shine

Not to mention that convert hexes does THE EXACT SAME THING, just better.

I would like to see a letter from Anet where they state what skills they made under a certain narcotic and what narcotic it was, because it would make sense for a lot of shit that's rolling around.

My bets:

Coke when they made SF (LET'S BEAT THIS GAME, YEAH)
Weed when they made Quick Shot/Second Wind (Hey, let's make a skill that does absolutely nothing contributing to this game)
LSD when they made Amity ("It all makes sense now! I now understand... I.E. they were making retarded theories that day)

Other suggestions?

While I agree that drugs may have played a large part in the process, I'm not sure you categorized them all appropriately.

Quick Shot, Second Wind and Amity would have to have been either heroin or PCP. "It doesn't work how we wanted... screw it I need to go score." "It doesn't work how we wanted... slobber, slobber, drool, drool [put head through TV].""

Acid would have been RoJ, "Jesus Beam! Jesus Beam!" it's all about the visuals.
SoS would have been weed. "Imma chill back here, you spirits clean shit up."

Bright Star Shine · Jan 13, 2011, 12:20 PM // 12:20

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Originally Posted by Ka Tet

Acid would have been RoJ, "Jesus Beam! Jesus Beam!" it's all about the visuals.
SoS would have been weed. "Imma chill back here, you spirits clean shit up."

Thanks for the RoJ, I kept thinking of an elite skill which caused lots of lights and stuff, but couldn't come up with one :P

More suggestions? :P

Skyy High · Jan 13, 2011, 02:46 PM // 14:46

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Originally Posted by Bright Star Shine

Weed when they made Quick Shot/Second Wind (Hey, let's make a skill that does absolutely nothing contributing to this game)

I think that everyone dissing Quick Shot started playing well after Factions' release, because they seem to be missing the point of the skill.

Midget Minionmaster · Jan 15, 2011, 02:37 AM // 02:37

These have to be some of the worst elites in existence. (No order)

Skull Crack: If it hits, this attack interrupts the target's current action. If that foe was casting a spell, that foe is Dazed for 10 seconds. (Only when they are doing something? 9 Adrenaline? You got to be kidding me.)

Aura of Faith: For 3 seconds, target ally gains 50...90% more Health when healed and takes 5...41% less damage. (3 seconds... 3 seconds??? Put in WoH and you will heal double that in 3 seconds. 8 sec recharge. HORRIBLE)

Signet of Midnight You and target touched foe become Blinded for 15 seconds. ( a NON ELITE monk skill removes your enemies blind, then you are just stuck with blind with a waste of an elite. This is probably the worst in my book.)

Keystone Signet All of your signets except Keystone Signet are recharged. For 20 seconds, the next 0...5 times you use a signet that targets a foe, all other foes adjacent to your target take 15...51 damage and are interrupted. (One thing, who the hell uses signets?? Only a few good signets. Waste of an elite. (Tied with Sig of Midnight for worst elite ever)

Quick Shot Shoot an arrow that moves twice as fast. (Much better to use out there, why QS? Just use RTW for fast arrows even tho is a prep. Another elite is more worthy.)

Water Trident Send out a fast-moving Water Trident striking target foe for 10...58 cold damage if it hits. If it hits a moving foe, that foe is knocked down. (Elementalist aka NUKER. 58 cold damage?? Only some times KD? Why does this skill even exist?)

A-Net delete these skills please.

Voodoo Rage · Jan 15, 2011, 03:04 AM // 03:04

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Originally Posted by Midget Minionmaster

Quick Shot Shoot an arrow that moves twice as fast. (Yay Yay you shoot so fast yay yay..... Come on! 5 energy per shot? Average ranger has 30 energy. Enjoy your 6 shots while they last!)

Expertise says hi.

Midget Minionmaster · Jan 15, 2011, 03:37 AM // 03:37

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Originally Posted by Voodoo Rage

Expertise says hi.

Haha lol you got me, but still QS sucks

Voodoo Rage · Jan 15, 2011, 06:54 AM // 06:54

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Originally Posted by Midget Minionmaster

Haha lol you got me, but still QS sucks

Yeah, I'm really not sure of the point of that skill. I just had my ranger autoattack the master of damage with a shortbow and he was doing about 21 DPS. I then switched to spamming Quick Shot and he again only did about 22 DPS. Seriously, if you are going to to the same thing just hitting spacebar and autoattacking, why even have the skill much less an ELITE skill. It's an embarrassingly bad skill.

Coast · Jan 15, 2011, 09:53 AM // 09:53

its a good skill for poison spreading tho

Catchphrase · Jan 15, 2011, 12:16 PM // 12:16

^ There's Poison Arrow

Quickshot is meant to be used with hornbows + IAS. It just fell victim to powercreep skills that's all.

bhavv · Jan 15, 2011, 02:10 PM // 14:10

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Originally Posted by Just Sai

mo: Healer's Covenant = sustained for ...why...?

Healers Covenant is a great elite in RA.

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Originally Posted by Midget Minionmaster

These have to be some of the worst elites in existence. (No order)

Aura of Faith: For 3 seconds, target ally gains 50...90% more Health when healed and takes 5...41% less damage. (3 seconds... 3 seconds??? Put in WoH and you will heal double that in 3 seconds. 8 sec recharge. HORRIBLE)

Signet of Midnight You and target touched foe become Blinded for 15 seconds. ( a NON ELITE monk skill removes your enemies blind, then you are just stuck with blind with a waste of an elite. This is probably the worst in my book.)

Keystone Signet All of your signets except Keystone Signet are recharged. For 20 seconds, the next 0...5 times you use a signet that targets a foe, all other foes adjacent to your target take 15...51 damage and are interrupted. (One thing, who the hell uses signets?? Only a few good signets. Waste of an elite. (Tied with Sig of Midnight for worst elite ever)

Water Trident Send out a fast-moving Water Trident striking target foe for 10...58 cold damage if it hits. If it hits a moving foe, that foe is knocked down. (Elementalist aka NUKER. 58 cold damage?? Only some times KD? Why does this skill even exist?)

A-Net delete these skills please.

No, these are all good elites, at least in comparison to the really bad ones. Aura of faith is a great damage reduction elite like Ether Prism, the blind from signet of midnight is very long lasting and can affect two foes with plague touch, plus it is very easy to cover blind with other conditions. Keystone Signet is purely for the gimmick smite signet Me/Mo which is a very fun build to play, and water trident used to be the elly elite of choice in both GVG and HA to spam on flag runners. Nuking isnt the only role that ellys play in this game.

superraptors · Jan 15, 2011, 02:14 PM // 14:14

water trident isnt suppose to be a damaging nuke, its obviously there to hinder movement, although it does need a buff

also keystone signet isn't useless theres been a couple of people using it in ha to spam rupts on altar causing decent aoe dmg in short notice

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Originally Posted by NapTooN

Yes, Equinox alone is pretty useless, but in Combination with Arcane Languor it might be funny. Problem is: not many players cast spells when under Arcane Languor.

problem has been solved because dual languor with equinox did hold halls a couple of weeks ago

cast 2 spells and the monk is out, then you spam aneurysms for 150+ dmg,when your exhausted aneurym doesnt get ur energy to full, 40/40 aneurysms good bye monk.

Bright Star Shine · Jan 15, 2011, 02:37 PM // 14:37

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Originally Posted by Midget Minionmaster

Keystone Signet All of your signets except Keystone Signet are recharged. For 20 seconds, the next 0...5 times you use a signet that targets a foe, all other foes adjacent to your target take 15...51 damage and are interrupted. (One thing, who the hell uses signets?? Only a few good signets. Waste of an elite. (Tied with Sig of Midnight for worst elite ever)

Wtf? Keystone recently had the buff of it's life and you call it useless? It's an unbelievably strong AoE nuke which requires virtually no energy, and widespread interrupts. This skill is the meta in some guilds for doing certain SC's.. It's bloody powerful..

And the rest has been pointed out already..

Ka Tet · Jan 15, 2011, 03:37 PM // 15:37

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Originally Posted by Midget Minionmaster

These have to be some of the worst elites in existence. (No order)

Skull Crack: If it hits, this attack interrupts the target's current action. If that foe was casting a spell, that foe is Dazed for 10 seconds. (Only when they are doing something? 9 Adrenaline? You got to be kidding me.)

Aura of Faith: For 3 seconds, target ally gains 50...90% more Health when healed and takes 5...41% less damage. (3 seconds... 3 seconds??? Put in WoH and you will heal double that in 3 seconds. 8 sec recharge. HORRIBLE)

Signet of Midnight You and target touched foe become Blinded for 15 seconds. ( a NON ELITE monk skill removes your enemies blind, then you are just stuck with blind with a waste of an elite. This is probably the worst in my book.)

Keystone Signet All of your signets except Keystone Signet are recharged. For 20 seconds, the next 0...5 times you use a signet that targets a foe, all other foes adjacent to your target take 15...51 damage and are interrupted. (One thing, who the hell uses signets?? Only a few good signets. Waste of an elite. (Tied with Sig of Midnight for worst elite ever)

Quick Shot Shoot an arrow that moves twice as fast. (Much better to use out there, why QS? Just use RTW for fast arrows even tho is a prep. Another elite is more worthy.)

Water Trident Send out a fast-moving Water Trident striking target foe for 10...58 cold damage if it hits. If it hits a moving foe, that foe is knocked down. (Elementalist aka NUKER. 58 cold damage?? Only some times KD? Why does this skill even exist?)

A-Net delete these skills please.

Water Trident lost most of its value when aura of stability entered the game. Before aura of stability, WT was a very good PvP elite.
If you gimmick it up right Keystone Signet can be very strong in certain areas. Combined with mind wrack it's pretty potent. Also good for the smite gimmick thing mentioned before.
I'll agree that the high adren cost hurts skull crack alot, There are much easier ways to daze foes.
Aura of Faith isn't great and there are better options, but it's not the worst.
Signet of midnight and quick shot have both been discussed here before, I'm gonna leave those alone.

IrishX · Jan 15, 2011, 06:04 PM // 18:04

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Originally Posted by Midget Minionmaster

These have to be some of the worst elites in existence. (No order)

Skull Crack: If it hits, this attack interrupts the target's current action. If that foe was casting a spell, that foe is Dazed for 10 seconds. (Only when they are doing something? 9 Adrenaline? You got to be kidding me.)

Aura of Faith: For 3 seconds, target ally gains 50...90% more Health when healed and takes 5...41% less damage. (3 seconds... 3 seconds??? Put in WoH and you will heal double that in 3 seconds. 8 sec recharge. HORRIBLE)

Signet of Midnight You and target touched foe become Blinded for 15 seconds. ( a NON ELITE monk skill removes your enemies blind, then you are just stuck with blind with a waste of an elite. This is probably the worst in my book.)

Keystone Signet All of your signets except Keystone Signet are recharged. For 20 seconds, the next 0...5 times you use a signet that targets a foe, all other foes adjacent to your target take 15...51 damage and are interrupted. (One thing, who the hell uses signets?? Only a few good signets. Waste of an elite. (Tied with Sig of Midnight for worst elite ever)

Quick Shot Shoot an arrow that moves twice as fast. (Much better to use out there, why QS? Just use RTW for fast arrows even tho is a prep. Another elite is more worthy.)

Water Trident Send out a fast-moving Water Trident striking target foe for 10...58 cold damage if it hits. If it hits a moving foe, that foe is knocked down. (Elementalist aka NUKER. 58 cold damage?? Only some times KD? Why does this skill even exist?)

A-Net delete these skills please.

...really?

Skull Crack: It's pretty bad, but it's not even the worst Warrior Elite. Defy Pain, Trip Chop, WE now that's it's a stance, and Headbutt come to mind.

AoF: It's a perfectly viable option to run on your prot monk if you have midline condi removal.

Signet of Midnight: Niche Arena skill at best. Usually used with Plague Sending. Pretty bad skill.

Keystone: Not a terrible elite by any means, but if you're running enough signets to warrant it, you're slotting a smiter. If you bring a smiter you're probably build warsing hexes, so people will usually take Empathic (or Word of Censure if you're YMCA), and actually run a monk.

Quick Shot: Quick Shot>dR

Trident: Was very meta for quite a while until people started running HEV and Water eles fell out of the meta. In modern GW, MoI exists for retarded damage compression (or EPrism, so they aren't vulnerable to strips).

Withdraw Hexes is probably the single most useless elite in the game.

Xenomortis · Jan 15, 2011, 06:27 PM // 18:27

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Originally Posted by IrishX

Quick Shot: Quick Shot>dR

When was that and what was the build? I'm assuming hornbows on a turret (pre-nerf RTW?).

*lemming* · Jan 16, 2011, 12:31 AM // 00:31

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Originally Posted by Midget Minionmaster

These have to be some of the worst elites in existence. (No order)

A skill has to do a lot worse than being just bad to be the "worst elite skill." Not only are most of your assessments wrong, they're also missing the historical context of builds involving those elites.

Aura of Faith is genuinely good. The reason it does not see extensive play is because it's far too risky to not bring Restore Conditions against most opponents. Nevertheless, it's occasionally used as a counter to caster spike builds. It's certainly good at its niche.

Quick Shot being regarded so poorly is reasonable in light of more recent extant ranger quick activation skills. Once upon a time though, it was a borderline viable option for spreading poison faster. (There was also the Quick Shot ranger spike back when Quick Shot had no aftercast, but that's not really relevant.)

Signet of Midnight dominated Team Arenas for months and is still extremely strong in Random Arenas. Being able to Plague Sending the self-inflicted blind off is a big deal that handles enemy blind removal.

Keystone Signet is broken with the right signets and worthless without them. That's not the sign of a bad elite, that just shows how extreme a niche it fills. After all, if every single spell caused exhaustion, everyone would bring Equinox.

Skull Crack is not very good, but it's certainly not the worst. It's a fast activation attack skill, it's a hard interrupt, and it's reasonably strong against solo monks.

Water Trident is an excellent movement control option, especially on Frozen or Dead. The only reason it doesn't see play is because Mirror of Ice and Invoke are both broken. This definitely should not be in any kind of contention for worst elite.

Second Wind is pretty bad, but I'm still getting the impression that everyone calling it the worst elite in the game doesn't know that you build up exhaustion by canceling it.

tl;dr: You can't label anything the "worst" unless it's worse than Withdraw Hexes.

Nekodesu · Jan 21, 2011, 01:19 PM // 13:19

@Midgetminionmaster: Meh. AoF is a REALLY REALLY good skill IMO, but it can be hard to use. I always put it on my prot heroes instead of UA. I find AoF to be an extremely good spike counter. AoF has that 3 second thing, but that is because of how strong it is! I also find Keystone to be an epic skill, especially for DoA! xD

Marty: I find this skill to be very useless. Thought not really the worst skill. I think all skills in GW are ment for something, but that we haven't figured it out yet ^^

diabiosx · Jan 21, 2011, 02:25 PM // 14:25

raven blessing nuff said

Bassma · Jan 22, 2011, 07:06 PM // 19:06

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Healers Covenant is a great elite in RA.

Thing is only namby pambys and four eyed syncers play RA.

WarcryOfTruth · Jan 22, 2011, 07:44 PM // 19:44

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Originally Posted by lemming

tl;dr: You can't label anything the "worst" unless it's worse than Withdraw Hexes.

Too lazy to read through all of the other posts, but wouldn't Amity fit this description?