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d3kst3r · Mar 15, 2006, 09:52 AM // 09:52

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Originally Posted by Grimm

You just completely ignored his explanation of why it's so much more than a fast-moving arrow attack.

Cos when I was posting it his reply hadn't registered yet. But even if it is highly spammable, that would make it similar to just having an attack stance like Tiger's Fury and without Expertise you won't have much energy.

EF2NYD · Mar 15, 2006, 09:59 AM // 09:59

Quickshot is actually rather good in the right build.

Thom · Mar 15, 2006, 10:08 AM // 10:08

For consideration:
Life Barrier-Life Bond is infinitely more useful, the only reason to ever carry life barrier is to stack it with life bond. If both cost the same amount and were non elite, I'd still take bond. Maybe this should go under most overrated and not worst.

Defy Pain-Take endure pain and a better elite if you are considering defy pain.

Practiced Stance-Stances don't stack, preperations don't stack. Oath shot is going to be more useful in all but the most silly builds. If you really want to spam choking gas, go have fun. Mimicry+Practiced stance+Incidendiary arrows=a mediocre interrupt build with a stance that needs to be up.

If you can pull of proper use of amity and unyielding, they are formidable skills. Life Barrier remains fairly mediocre even when used optimally.

Thom · Mar 15, 2006, 10:19 AM // 10:19

Quick double post:

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Originally Posted by Hockster

Peace and Harmony.
Thunderclap.
Ether Prodigy.
Incendiary Arrows.
100 Blades.

PaH isn't good, but it is a long way from worst. It is really the only monk energy management option.
Ether Prodigy is the opposite of horrible; maybe you meant Ether Renewal. Heal Party+Ether Prodigy=death to pressure builds.
Incendiary Arrows, an 8 second shut down with 8 seconds of fire damage for 5 energy. Too bad this isn't an elementalist elite. Rangers suffer from too many good elites, otherwise this would be an option.
100 Blades=Barrage; a skill like this can become increasingly more powerful as weapon buffs increase.

Formina · Mar 15, 2006, 10:20 AM // 10:20

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Originally Posted by Hockster

Ether Prodigy.

What's wrong with Ether Prodigy..?

Edit: Eh, Thom beat me to posting. =\

Poison Ivy · Mar 15, 2006, 10:26 AM // 10:26

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Originally Posted by Formina

What's wrong with Ether Prodigy..?

fallot · Mar 15, 2006, 10:29 AM // 10:29

Skull Crack: Not only requires a lot of adrenaline to charge but also has to hit while a spell is casting for its effect. Totally worthless.

Jakerius · Mar 15, 2006, 10:36 AM // 10:36

Spiteful Spirit :P
Nah, love my SS.

Probably Unyielding Aura gets my vote. Good to have fun with people, but if you're a jackass monk, the twenty-fifth time you've rez'd someone and let them die, sRED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing, it's not funny anymore. Just leave our FoW run.

Linkusmax · Mar 15, 2006, 11:18 AM // 11:18

Marksmans Wager has no use as far as I can see.

Ado · Mar 15, 2006, 11:22 AM // 11:22

Illusionary weaponry. It's much too risky for a mesmer to be at the front of battle. (as the zaishen challange shows, that team is easiest to beat) On warriors it's useless cause a normal strike already does more damage when Illusion magic is at 16 with illusionary weaponry

cheetum · Mar 15, 2006, 11:39 AM // 11:39

Although situational, Illusionary Weaponry can be really useful. A character attacking in melee while enchanted with Illusionary Weaponry will deal constant, armor-ignoring damage regardless of any attack impairments such as blindness, evasion, blocking, or misses.

Shield of Regeneration is one i dont get. healing breeze costs less energy and recharges faster, and is not elite. I know the difference is that its a protection attribute, and it adds some armor, but i have never met a protection monk who uses it. One of the least used elite i can think of.

unienaule · Mar 15, 2006, 11:46 AM // 11:46

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Originally Posted by Hockster

Ether Prodigy.

You mean Renewal, right?

wolfe2dale · Mar 15, 2006, 11:50 AM // 11:50

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Originally Posted by d3kst3r

Actually I prefer Poison Arrow over Apply Poison so I can use Kindle Arrows preparation instead AND poison.

Ah, but you see Apply Poison works on swords if your a W/R, which gives me bleed & poison & makes it an incredible skill.

Worst Elite...gotta be Lightning Surge...I mean, seriously, this is no use in pve & pointless in pvp, please kill it.

Lady Erighan · Mar 15, 2006, 12:44 PM // 12:44

FW + Conjure Flame + Ignite Arrows + QS = Death to softies.

DV Morpheus · Mar 15, 2006, 12:55 PM // 12:55

There is no worst elite skill.

Every elite skill has a good use in PvE and PvP, but when and where to use each one is situational.

p3falien · Mar 15, 2006, 01:03 PM // 13:03

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Originally Posted by Ado

Illusionary weaponry. It's much too risky for a mesmer to be at the front of battle. (as the zaishen challange shows, that team is easiest to beat) On warriors it's useless cause a normal strike already does more damage when Illusion magic is at 16 with illusionary weaponry

Ahem,... hold it for a bit.
More dmg with a warrior ?? u must never has seen this build in action.

i have a Me/W build and it outdamages every warrior in the game. the downside is ofcourse the armourdrop for mesmer but the role of an IWmesmer is different. ( soz for that offtopic buildtalk) so IW = usefull as hell imho.

my call would be signet of judgement.. totally useless imho for it's long cast time/recharge and better counterpart Shield of Judgement.
now if it were in area instead of adjacent foes knocked down it would have been nice to use maybe.

Raxxman · Mar 15, 2006, 01:14 PM // 13:14

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Originally Posted by DV Morpheus

There is no worst elite skill.

Every elite skill has a good use in PvE and PvP, but when and where to use each one is situational.

please explain to me the use of keystone signet?

you loose all your non sigged skills for 17-7 seconds.

hell this would be uber if it was an attack skill. as is its like a more powerful version of blackout... that only affects the user.

Align · Mar 15, 2006, 01:25 PM // 13:25

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Originally Posted by cheetum

Shield of Regeneration is one i dont get. healing breeze costs less energy and recharges faster, and is not elite. I know the difference is that its a protection attribute, and it adds some armor, but i have never met a protection monk who uses it. One of the least used elite i can think of.

Combo with Shielding Hands for temporary invulnerability. Really, give it a try... should you be in a non-enchantment-ripping-environment.

Mysterial · Mar 15, 2006, 01:30 PM // 13:30

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Originally Posted by Raxxman

please explain to me the use of keystone signet?

you loose all your non sigged skills for 17-7 seconds.

hell this would be uber if it was an attack skill. as is its like a more powerful version of blackout... that only affects the user.

If you only have signets, then you won't care. The problem is that there aren't any good signet builds, but expansions might change that. Until it does, we really don't know how effective Keystone Signet might be.

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Originally Posted by Phoenix Ex

Another one I find barely better than Unyielding aura is Lightning surge...pitifully weak for an elite that cause exhaustion, 10 energy, and has a delay?!

They consider the delay a bonus feature, which is why it's elite. If you play it in random arena, you'll see why - it's a newbie killer. The skill is great against people who don't know how to deal with it and useless against people who do. It's a flaw in the skill design.

Worst elite is definitely Glimmering Mark. The skill isn't even good in PvE where the monsters make it easy for you, let alone PvP where you get to stupidly attack a Warrior or Ranger instead of doing something useful.

Hockster · Mar 15, 2006, 01:31 PM // 13:31

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Originally Posted by Thom

Quick double post:

PaH isn't good, but it is a long way from worst. It is really the only monk energy management option.
Ether Prodigy is the opposite of horrible; maybe you meant Ether Renewal. Heal Party+Ether Prodigy=death to pressure builds.
Incendiary Arrows, an 8 second shut down with 8 seconds of fire damage for 5 energy. Too bad this isn't an elementalist elite. Rangers suffer from too many good elites, otherwise this would be an option.
100 Blades=Barrage; a skill like this can become increasingly more powerful as weapon buffs increase.

I'm rerfering to usefulness in PvE. I despise PvP in Guild Wars and could care less how effective somethng maybe in it. In PvE the skills I listed are effectively useless. IA doesn't last near long enough to be effective. Monks have much beeter energy management solutions that P&H. 100 Blades isn't worth the elite slot.