Curse

Kaleban · Feb 19, 2011, 01:35 PM // 13:35

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Originally Posted by byteme!

HoF>Flail (why does this even need explaining at all? really)

Because some people, no matter how many facts, how much logic, and how reasonable you try to be, are just so pigheaded and stubborn that they wouldn't know reality if it sat on their face.

Others just like being contentious for the sake of it.

Personally, I am all excited to try out new builds. What I really like is that unlike the old Derv, which needed very narrow builds and everything to work in tandem and was very vulnerable to enchant stripping due to recharges and such, the new Derv is much more customizable, fluid, and FUN.

Not to mention that almost every skill now actually has a unique use. I can now have a AoE Blindbot for example lol.

ruk1a · Feb 19, 2011, 01:46 PM // 13:46

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Originally Posted by Kaleban

Because some people, no matter how many facts, how much logic, and how reasonable you try to be, are just so pigheaded and stubborn that they wouldn't know reality if it sat on their face.

Others just like being contentious for the sake of it.

Personally, I am all excited to try out new builds. What I really like is that unlike the old Derv, which needed very narrow builds and everything to work in tandem and was very vulnerable to enchant stripping due to recharges and such, the new Derv is much more customizable, fluid, and FUN.

Not to mention that almost every skill now actually has a unique use. I can now have a AoE Blindbot for example lol.

you know, some people argue for the sake of trolling. let idiots be idiots anyone with half a brain realizes you were right so it doesn't really matter.

MithranArkanere · Feb 19, 2011, 02:56 PM // 14:56

Whenver I go with my elementalists, If I have to chose between a warrior and a dervish, I'll go dervish all the way.

The dervish has become the perfect servant pet of any elementalist.

Why? Well, they can spread Cracked Armor like crazy, but not only that. Many other conditions too, including Burning.

Bring Searing Flames, and a dervish will cripple the enemies so they don't get away, burn them, and add cracked armor to the mix, to make them soft and easy to kill to the point that you need just one or two searing flames to kill them. It's almost an abuse.... in NM XD.

In HM it's just below OK. Since they have the shackle of the low effectiveness of elemental damage in HM.
HM intensify with air magic is nice, but it's still kind of slow, so in HM I still stick to support with blindness, weakness, dazing, snares, knockdowns, wards, etc..

LifeInfusion · Feb 19, 2011, 04:03 PM // 16:03

Honestly, without the teardowns and AoHM synergy, some skills are really lame.

30 duration Staggering Force, Dust Cloak, Aura of Thorns, Grenth's Fingers, Rending aura for example. Mystic Corruption is outright terrible most of the time even with the enchant teardowns.

20 duration Balthazar's Rage and 30s Heart of Holy Flame also fall into this category, albeit they are holy damage. If Balthazar's Rage didn't give 2 adrenaline it'd be rather bad.

Ebon Dust Aura is barely usable now as utility, it's an Earth conjure more or less. Grenth's Grasp on the other hand got a fairly large buff by adding condition transfer.

Mystic healing got hit IMO since everyone needs to be enchanted (orders).

There's no reason to use regular enchantments on a Dervish with a scythe due to aftercast. Even if it's the fastest cast speed (1/4) you still have 3/4 aftercast, which makes it no different than a 1second disable on an instant cast flash enchant.

DiogoSilva · Feb 19, 2011, 04:56 PM // 16:56

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Originally Posted by LifeInfusion

Ebon Dust Aura is barely usable now as utility, it's an Earth conjure more or less.

I find the possibility to blind foes and remove blind from yourself almost as relevant. For PvE I don't know, but it's quite helpful for pvp IMO.

Strider77 · Feb 19, 2011, 05:48 PM // 17:48

Step into JQ or FA and see what the derv has become now. Looks like I aint using my monk or mesmer or ele there anymore.

Verene · Feb 19, 2011, 05:57 PM // 17:57

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Originally Posted by AndrewSX

In other words, you shouldn't use twin moon sweep when running VoS, cause you wont remove it.

Carry a enchant or two (flash or regular) that has an 'on end' effect you like and pay attention to your effects monitor. I was using VoS with Twin Moon last night while playing around and I didn't accidentally remove it once.

Fox Reeveheart · Feb 19, 2011, 06:29 PM // 18:29

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Originally Posted by Strider77

Step into JQ or FA and see what the derv has become now. Looks like I aint using my monk or mesmer or ele there anymore.

Good, about time Derv got some speed clearing love.

Strider77 · Feb 19, 2011, 06:47 PM // 18:47

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Originally Posted by Fox Reeveheart

Good, about time Derv got some speed clearing love.

It's not exactly a good thing for the already shaky balance of those two arenas anymore sadly.

jazilla · Feb 19, 2011, 07:07 PM // 19:07

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Originally Posted by Strider77

It's not exactly a good thing for the already shaky balance of those two arenas anymore sadly.

balance in FA or JQ? is this thread from 2006?

Fox Reeveheart · Feb 19, 2011, 07:09 PM // 19:09

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Originally Posted by Strider77

It's not exactly a good thing for the already shaky balance of those two arenas anymore sadly.

oh woops!

i was talking about mount qinqai or whatever XD i had it all mixed up

Strider77 · Feb 19, 2011, 07:14 PM // 19:14

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Originally Posted by jazilla

balance in FA or JQ? is this thread from 2006?

Not exactly considering JQ and FA are still a mess....4 years later.

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Originally Posted by Fox Reeveheart

oh woops!

i was talking about mount qinqai or whatever XD i had it all mixed up

No prob.

go cubs · Feb 19, 2011, 07:43 PM // 19:43

Been tryin out new builds after having the same build on this guy for a while so its kinda fun doin it again. I tried the Vow of Strength explosion build...Very fun when theres a lot of enemies lol

Jesuve · Feb 20, 2011, 11:42 AM // 11:42

In my opinion, the update made dervish a lot more interesting. I find it much funnier to play than before. And it's not even difficult to create new, effective builds. This is just my opinion though...

Painbringer · Feb 20, 2011, 01:37 PM // 13:37

Ebon dust aura and ebon daggers is a fun combo mixed a nice sin combo

Bandwagon · Feb 21, 2011, 12:38 AM // 00:38

I for one welcome our new Pious Overlords.

Also, A scan is super awesome for the average Pug Sin, won't anyone ever think of the pugs for once?

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MithranArkanere · Feb 21, 2011, 01:07 AM // 01:07

All I can thing when it comes to the scan is that I no longer have problems with those pesky skeleton elementalists and their collection of blinding skills.

Kunder · Feb 21, 2011, 01:21 AM // 01:21

Anyone else notice that Dervs can now have a higher base armor than warriors?

Warrior: 100 vs all (Sentinel's insignia with high strength)
Dervish: 106 vs all (Windwalker's insignia +16 armor from Mysticism

LifeInfusion · Feb 21, 2011, 01:49 AM // 01:49

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Originally Posted by Kunder

Anyone else notice that Dervs can now have a higher base armor than warriors?

Warrior: 100 vs all (Sentinel's insignia with high strength)
Dervish: 106 vs all (Windwalker's insignia +16 armor from Mysticism

Realistically it's going to be 9-13 Mysticism unless you're running a superior and forgoing 14 scythe.

Warrior have 116 actually unless they are running hammer, dagger, scythe, or for some random reason a bow or staff. (who uses bow on a warrior other than for pulling?)

70+15+10 (Mysticism) makes them equal. Vow of Piety (not mediocre Avatar of Balthazar) makes them broken (70+15+10+24=119>116 warrior with shield) but not really since SY! doesn't stack with that.

I'd say D/W is the best SY! spammer now. All you need is 3 hits, 2 hits under FGJ! or Avatar of Balth. Unlike Dragonslash, you have little downtime since 3 hits without FGJ! is about 3-4 seconds, whereas Dragonslash absolutely needs Enraging Charge/To the Limit!+FGJ! (or FGJ!+whirlwind with 4 foes). Also, you don't need to cancel stance your IAS (Flail) because Pious Fury and Heart of Fury don't make you move 33% slower.

Kunder · Feb 21, 2011, 02:10 AM // 02:10

Dervs can run shields as well. I wasn't considering it for practical usage, just pointing out an amusing turn of events. If my Derv needs more than 95 from blessed + mysticism then I'm calling down the prot spirit.