Curse

TheGizzy · Mar 04, 2011, 09:07 PM // 21:07

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Originally Posted by Dzjudz

For the last time, you cannot make the same teams as someone with mercs if you don't have them.

You're right - you'd have another human in place of one of the mercs. Which means more loot between the two of you, rather than by disappearing into the ether as it does with H/M/H. It means more adaptability... more options for flagging (positioning all 8 party members separately instead of 1, 1, 1, 1, & 4), less micro-managing.

Seems those two humans and their heroes are the ones with the advantages, actually.

Again - this boils down to the mercs providing no tangible benefits and being nothing more than, at best, a convenience. One some are willing to pay for and some are not.

bhavv · Mar 04, 2011, 09:10 PM // 21:10

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Originally Posted by Dzjudz

Not if you think that the build you posted above is the supreme end-all hero team build of GW.

But it isn't.

Unfortunately it is. You havnt yet explained or told us how 7 mercenaries can be any better. Really, it cant, I have them, and theres no better build I can think of.

Necros, Mesmers and Rits are the most powerful classes atm, Discord, Panic, Ineptitude, and Spiritway with an SoS + Communing rit are the current metas and most powerful builds.

If you really want to be taken seriously, then how about you actually come up with a new meta that is anymore powerful than what we already know to be the current most powerful classes and builds?

You can practically clear almost everything in the game with discordway + mesmers + spiritway. If you think mercenaries can do anything better, then go ahead and demonstrate how by coming up with a new meta than what everyone is already running in the 7 hero builds threads.

Triple discord + panic + spiritway, plus ineptitude and an ER elly based on what role your character can fit in IS the new meta. Come up with a new meta using mercenaries that you cant do with heroes, and then people will take what you say a lot more seriously.

Chasing Squirrels · Mar 04, 2011, 09:13 PM // 21:13

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Originally Posted by shinta_himura

So it's finally happened. It was only a matter of time, right?

Purchasing a mercenary hero now gives players a gameplay advantage over other players who did not purchase it. You may have an additional hero of the same profession, or in fact, you can fill your entire team with the same profession (3 heroes, four characters of the same profession).

If you don't make this purchase, your gameplay is now limited until you do.

Soon they will be selling weapons and armor that have extra bonuses:S

Lasai · Mar 04, 2011, 09:14 PM // 21:14

Perhaps the synergy wave of 7 Olias clones casting Death Nova on each other will disrupt the fiber of the universe, creating a vortex that rains Ectos.

Srs Bisns

Lasai · Mar 04, 2011, 09:15 PM // 21:15

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Originally Posted by Chasing Squirrels

Soon they will be selling weapons and armor that have extra bonuses:S

go go slippery slope. Knew that was coming.

Dzjudz · Mar 04, 2011, 09:16 PM // 21:16

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Originally Posted by Lasai

No, you are ranting against the so called advantage people would have using Mercs to create some so far.. unknown.. supergroup. If you all somehow manage to prove this point, what do you think is going to happen? Everyone is going to get free mercs? Or.. group makeup caps per prof.

No, what I'd be happy with is some sort of generic hero, for example a Zaishen Hero, that you can add to the party to make any combination of heroes.

Leave the Merc slots for hero makeovers, I'm perfectly willing to pay for such a thing, as I was with costumes.

This way, everyone can make any party they want and payers don't get benefits over non-payers, stuff you pay for should be cosmetic only.

How is this unreasonable?

Again, I'm not against microtransactions, I'm against advantages you need to pay for.

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Originally Posted by bhavv

Unfortunately it is. You havnt yet explained or told us how 7 mercenaries can be any better. Really, it cant, I have them, and theres no better build I can think of.

A third mesmer might be great. Maybe 1 panic, 1 ineptitude and 1 Esurge or something. I don't have 3 mesmers to test though

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I'm not saying I know the best possible merc build. I'm just saying that your build is not the best build even without mercs.

P.S. drop your discords and you will already improve your team.

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Originally Posted by TheGizzy

You're right - you'd have another human in place of one of the mercs. Which means more loot between the two of you, rather than by disappearing into the ether as it does with H/M/H. It means more adaptability... more options for flagging (positioning all 8 party members separately instead of 1, 1, 1, 1, & 4), less micro-managing.

What it means is: the need for another player, exactly the opposite of what 7 heroes is supposed to mean...

BrettM · Mar 04, 2011, 09:16 PM // 21:16

There are more than 3 billion ways to combine 26 heroes to form a party of 7 of them. I find it hard to believe that not one of those 3 billion ways is the equal of any party you can form by throwing merc heroes into the mix.

Ghull Ka · Mar 04, 2011, 09:21 PM // 21:21

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Originally Posted by Dzjudz

Not if you think that the build you posted above is the supreme end-all hero team build of GW.

But it isn't.

So where's the build that's the supreme end-all hero team build that requires mercs?

And what can it do that a non-merc team can't do?

I dig the theory, but would like to see some examples. If there's muder afoot, surely there's a body, right?

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Originally Posted by Lasai

Perhaps the synergy wave of 7 Olias clones casting Death Nova on each other will disrupt the fiber of the universe, creating a vortex that rains Ectos.

Srs Bisns

Where's the typical "Like" thumbs-up button where you need it?

Lasai · Mar 04, 2011, 09:22 PM // 21:22

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Originally Posted by Dzjudz

Again, I'm not against microtransactions, I'm against advantages you need to pay for.
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simple. prove the advantage. So far, no one is presenting a shred of evidence beyond supposition.

Faer · Mar 04, 2011, 09:23 PM // 21:23

Using your characters as Heroes has been a topic of discussion since Nightfall was released, albeit less of one in the years since. Now that it has finally happened, everybody has their opinions on how good of a choice selling the feature is, and you're all more than welcome to express them on Guru in a while, after everyone has settled down and taken time to formulate constructive posts about their thoughts so that threads about the subject don't devolved so quickly into arguments about who has the best build or how horrible the next update will be.

We understand that some of you are upset, but we really do not need... this... on Guru. Collect your thoughts and let's have a discussion when we're all willing to put a little more effort and civility into it.