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Daesu · Mar 08, 2011, 03:08 AM // 03:08

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Originally Posted by Aldric

Sorry but thats a ridiculous idea. So many titles have been changed over the years to make them easier without any kind of special treatment so i don't really see why such a terrible title as LDoA should.

QFT.

I have completed the prophecies campaign before heroes, cons, power creep, and pve skills, did I get special treatment for doing it the harder way? No.

noneedforclevernames · Mar 08, 2011, 03:21 AM // 03:21

LDOA used to take a month to earn, now you can do it in 1-2 days depending on how good the daily quest is (And there might even be better ones for farming XP in the future).

It's pathetic and needs to be nerfed somehow. Making the title less strenuous is w/e...but making it into an easy quest that's just 15-20 hours of grinding and doing something over and over again (If that...it takes lessw than 2 hours to go from 18 to 19) is just ridiculous taking into account it took a month of multi hour days to achieve the original LDOA.

Daesu · Mar 08, 2011, 03:24 AM // 03:24

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Originally Posted by noneedforclevernames

LDOA used to take a month to earn, now you can do it in 1-2 days depending on how good the daily quest is (And there might even be better ones for farming XP in the future).

I doubt that.

Avatar of Me · Mar 08, 2011, 03:25 AM // 03:25

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Originally Posted by noneedforclevernames

LDOA used to take a month to earn, now you can do it in 1-2 days depending on how good the daily quest is (And there might even be better ones for farming XP in the future).

It's pathetic and needs to be nerfed somehow. Making the title less strenuous is w/e...but making it into an easy quest that's just 15-20 hours of grinding and doing something over and over again (If that...it takes lessw than 2 hours to go from 18 to 19) is just ridiculous taking into account it took a month of multi hour days to achieve the original LDOA.

This I kind of agree with. Though, I'm sure the devs implemented the quests with full knowledge that they would be abused in this way.

Frankly, I will be finishing my title one daily at a time, rather than rushing through it.

john5813 · Mar 08, 2011, 05:30 AM // 05:30

The only complaints I've heard on the title changes is from the players that got the Drunkard Title the old way which took a little bit of time to get, just to see players now who buy about a 1,000 or so things of alcohol get it in about a min depending on how fast they can click the mouse button.

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Originally Posted by Maver1ck87

d) Titles SHOULD be accessible to everyone

e) Titles SHOULD NOT be achievable by everyone -> this is what gives titles value etc...

Bit of a contradiction there don't you think.

"Titles SHOULD be accessible to everyone"

Titles have been and still are accessible to everyone.

"Titles SHOULD NOT be achievable by everyone -> this is what gives titles value etc..."

So at the same time certain Titles shouldn't be accessible to everyone because of the nature on how you go about getting them?

Yes it sucks seeing a title you earned the old fashion hard way be achieved by someone in half the time you spent earning it but that's the main problems with certain titles.

Most players choose not to go after certain titles do to the repetitive grind of doing the same thing again and again to get it. The boredom from doing this made it feel like it wasn't worth it, which is why many players ended up resorting to using bots to do the work for them.

In the past when titles weren't worth anything, just something extra you could display with your character they weren't really worth going after since they didn't give you anything special. Also how many players congratulated you or said how cool your character was for having a certain hard to get title displayed?

Now since they help go towards what you will get in Guild Wars 2 I personally think Anet did the right thing by doing away with the repetitive and boring nature on how to get certain titles.

GWfan#1 · Mar 08, 2011, 06:32 AM // 06:32

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Originally Posted by john5813

The only complaints I've heard on the title changes is from the players that got the Drunkard Title the old way which took a little bit of time to get, just to see players now who buy about a 1,000 or so things of alcohol get it in about a min depending on how fast they can click the mouse button.

Exactly, some people feel robbed. Compensation! Put an * near all the new titles!

Daesu · Mar 08, 2011, 07:41 AM // 07:41

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Originally Posted by john5813

Yes it sucks seeing a title you earned the old fashion hard way be achieved by someone in half the time you spent earning it but that's the main problems with certain titles.

Many of the titles in PvE has become easier ever since cons, heroes, pve skills, and power creep, not just drunkard (which is one of the most stupid title to be honest). The drunkard title takes so much time to achieve, not difficult at all just very time consuming to the point of being extremely boring to achieve. It is also one of the easiest titles to bot or use a cheat.

If they have not updated it to what it is now, I would never bother to work on it. Just not worth my time. I am sure this update made the game more lively and more people are interested in buying alcohol and giving the drunkard a shot now. Similarly for LDoA, all better for the game as a whole.

It is time to stop the whinning and think of helping out your fellow players for a change.

Valan Luca · Mar 08, 2011, 10:27 AM // 10:27

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Originally Posted by Daesu

I doubt that.

18 hours on a character that wasn't even made to rush to LDOA. I imagine someone with focus can do it faster.

Cor Kalom · Mar 08, 2011, 12:20 PM // 12:20

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Originally Posted by Indigo Diablo

I have no idea how someone could spend so much time in presearing and deathlevel for the LDoA title without once getting curious and finding the presearing website.

Not all people are equal.

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Originally Posted by Reformed

Head over and check the list. I'm not part of that community either (used it once to buy a +AR v Charr shield many years ago and long since seared) yet they found me anyways.

Edit: Sorry, link.

Thanks, but I had already seen that list and I'm not there

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Originally Posted by Aldric

Sorry but thats a ridiculous idea. So many titles have been changed over the years to make them easier without any kind of special treatment so i don't really see why such a terrible title as LDoA should.

I have most titles and a number have been made easier now but i don't care and i don't want any special marking or text to show when i did them. I did them for me not for e-peen.

As for the drunkard change ,overdue but it would have been nice to have been changed before i did mine

but it doesnt mean mine is any better than anyone elses.

All titles that have changed in recent years have been a change in a time much less than DLoA and not very meaningful experiences, I have lived them all and all (as I wrote above, even those modified March 3) I have accepted without question, the change (such as improvement) is always necessary, but sometimes you have to have recognition for what you did when this improvement did not want to do.

The Titles acquired 5 years ago or today have the same value, I probably have not been able to explain, I want to have an acknowledgment (the above examples are examples or suggestions rarely are welcomed as they are written from the ArenaNet), repeating, something stating that my dedication to have acquired the title when the only way for acquire DLoA decided by 'Arena.net was DeathLeveling. I do not want to repeat myself, but apparently is necessary:

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Originally Posted by Cor Kalom

In my opinion as they have blocked the acquisition of the title of Commander, but they left the display to those who had completed, all or part, they should give(do not say stop this and create another title, it would seem foolish) a minimum sign of appreciation for who did it with dedication.

Daesu · Mar 08, 2011, 04:31 PM // 16:31

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Originally Posted by Valan Luca

18 hours on a character that wasn't even made to rush to LDOA. I imagine someone with focus can do it faster.

Lol 9 hours per day to play? You are kidding me. Congrats and I envy your free time. I wish I also have a high level pre-searing character to farm XP for me.

Valan Luca · Mar 08, 2011, 05:06 PM // 17:06

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Originally Posted by Daesu

Lol 9 hours per day to play? You are kidding me. Congrats and I envy your free time.

That was a screenshot from Presearing.com; it wasn't me. Mine took 167k deaths.

Daesu · Mar 08, 2011, 05:31 PM // 17:31

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Originally Posted by Valan Luca

That was a screenshot from Presearing.com; it wasn't me. Mine took 167k deaths.

With a high level pre-searing character to help you farm XP, sure. Unfortunately not every high level pre-searing character is that helpful to everyone else.

Typically, a new character has to grind from level 7 to 10 before they can take the quests. Without twinked gear or a high level helper, even if you can get the gate opened (which is the fastest way to level from 7 to 10, if you dont take the quest route), surviving against level 8 charrs is still not easy if you have to fight them yourself, not to mention charr bosses.

You can still do it of course, but it would be a lot slower than it is with help.

Aldric · Mar 08, 2011, 07:00 PM // 19:00

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Originally Posted by Cor Kalom

All titles that have changed in recent years have been a change in a time much less than DLoA and not very meaningful experiences, I have lived them all and all (as I wrote above, even those modified March 3) I have accepted without question, the change (such as improvement) is always necessary, but sometimes you have to have recognition for what you did when this improvement did not want to do.

And im sure there are legendary survivors out there or Saviours of the Luxon/Kurzick who will also feel their title got made easier to get and that its not fair. As for the time saved on those changes? At least it was time saved playing the game rather than time saved AFKing which is all the LDoA title is.

I'm glad at most of the changes that were made to the titles track, even the ones changed after I had completed, becuase some of them really needed the grindage toning down a little. I don't even consider comparing my titles when i got them and at what difficulty level i got them at. I did them, for me , and im happy they're done.

I say most as LDoA is the exception, the only change to that should have been to delete it or rename the title Useless and Dies Alot

Apok · Mar 08, 2011, 07:13 PM // 19:13

Why are we discussing the difficulty (or lack of) of getting a title when it is so obvious that they made this update to make it easier for people to fill up their HoM in time for GW2?

I steered away from getting killed a bunch of times just to get one title; those that did take the time to get the title from the beginning were either devout grinders, had nothing better to do, had a bot to do it for them, or wanted the epeen status. Why should we reward them for dying a bunch of times to abuse some stupid game mechanic that even the devs agreed was dumb?

thedukesd · Mar 08, 2011, 07:25 PM // 19:25

Today quest allows fast exp farming: movie

Cor Kalom · Mar 08, 2011, 08:17 PM // 20:17

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Originally Posted by Aldric

And im sure there are legendary survivors out there or Saviours of the Luxon/Kurzick who will also feel their title got made easier to get and that its not fair. As for the time saved on those changes? At least it was time saved playing the game rather than time saved AFKing which is all the LDoA title is.

The change of title of the Savior of the Kurzick/Luxon is occurred about two years after its appearance as title, it was a strong choice dall'ArenaNet without explicit request by the players . DLoA had the update after 5 years (I repeat briefly what I wrote in my first post), during this period, the players' suggestions to improve the title have been firmly rejected by convincing the community that the only way to acquire the title was the DeathLeveling.

Note: With the update of March 3rd Title Survivor has not become easier to obtain, the only thing is that saves you the time to create a character and develop it a little in the plot.

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Originally Posted by Aldric

I don't even consider comparing my titles when i got them and at what difficulty level i got them at.

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Originally Posted by Cor Kalom

The Titles acquired 5 years ago or today have the same value.

Aldric please read more carefully my post, I regret having to repeat forever.

melissa b · Mar 08, 2011, 11:25 PM // 23:25

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Originally Posted by Valan Luca

18 hours on a character that wasn't even made to rush to LDOA. I imagine someone with focus can do it faster.

Yes twice as fast using the method in this thread .... http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/f...t10473064.html

Daesu · Mar 09, 2011, 04:42 AM // 04:42

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Originally Posted by melissa b

Yes twice as fast using the method in this thread .... http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/f...t10473064.html

A newbie pre-searing character is not going to be able to afford that amount of gold quickly though. So this would not work fast enough, unless you have gotten the gold from somewhere else (e.g. from post to pre).

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- With the converted gold you have from post buy 50 flowers(1.5k) to get a hat, rune (1-3k) and salvage kit (5-7k) to +2 your offensive attribute. Also buy a vigor (5k) and what not.

-If you can spawn bonus weapons

-With the converted gold hire a level 17+ and agree to terms you work out perhaps pay by level or foe kill count

Even if I spend 18 hours on a vanilla pre-searing character, I am sure that is not enough to get LDoA doing it the legit route and without other higher level characters to help me out.

melissa b · Mar 09, 2011, 07:11 AM // 07:11

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Originally Posted by Daesu

A newbie pre-searing character is not going to be able to afford that amount of gold quickly though. So this would not work fast enough, unless you have gotten the gold from somewhere else (e.g. from post to pre).

Even if I spend 18 hours on a vanilla pre-searing character, I am sure that is not enough to get LDoA doing it the legit route and without other higher level characters to help me out.

Yes thats what i said in my post..."- Create New Character and fuel it with lots of money by converting post gold to pre gold. I've seen rates of 2 post :1 pre."but also someone could offer a service in the services section guru where they level your character in pre but get paid for their service in post.

My method is not for new players but for "One Method to attain LDOA in less than a day for the experienced player based on today's quest..." My method takes about 11.5 hours but it could be sped or slowed significantly depending on the speed of the runner deviating from 45 second runs.

If not enlisting help from a high level pre player I have no idea how long it would take but would be curious the fastest possible that way as well. Also you could always turn to quest monkeys to speed things up if you can't hire someone to clear foes for you.

GWfan#1 · Mar 09, 2011, 07:47 AM // 07:47

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Originally Posted by Maver1ck87

a) devalues it for everyone who has already achieved it

b) for all the POOR people who have level 18 toons in pre after death leveling for xxx hours its gonna be kinda devastating to see people catch up in like x weeks of casual play

c) ALSO all those people with lvl 18 toons in pre who lost their survivor months ago are gonna be pissed at all the new LS/LDoA toons running about!

d) Titles SHOULD be accessible to everyone

e) Titles SHOULD NOT be achievable by everyone -> this is what gives titles value etc...

/agree times 3