Curse

MrKGado · Mar 03, 2011, 05:15 PM // 17:15

I am confused...can someone post or explain what is going on with LDOA? I looked on the wiki but could not find where the change is mentioned.

So having seen the post above, I guess they are adding a daily quest?

REDdelver · Mar 03, 2011, 05:19 PM // 17:19

Once again, some of the guru community shows trueface on how warped some of certain peoples thinking is.

Obtaining LDoA via dying all the time is NOT dedication, its an obsession. To set yourself up to die all the time so you can take advantage of what was not meant to be ...is not DEDICATION. LDoA was not intended to be that way, thus that is why they are changing it. Ever hear the info-mercial with "Set it and Forget it!"

LDoA is (at this very moment) an oxymoron. How can you be a legendary defender of something when all you ever do is die?

Its sad to see the words commitment and dedication being used to describe such an abused flaw in the game.

The only person who truely was dedicated and commited was the first person to accomplish getting lvl 20 in pre, considering everyone said it was impossible. Way after that LDoA was introduced, then it just became completely something to be abused to get because someone else did all the real work.

Rites · Mar 03, 2011, 05:20 PM // 17:20

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Originally Posted by MrKGado

I am confused...can someone post or explain what is going on with LDOA? I looked on the wiki but could not find where the change is mentioned. Thanks (:

after the update later today/tonight they will be giving out missions in pre scaled to the party leaders level to allow players to gain experience towards this title. similar to the Zaishen missions/Wanted/Zaishen bounties I believe

its not on wiki yet cuz it is not yet implemented

Killed u man · Mar 03, 2011, 05:21 PM // 17:21

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Originally Posted by drkn

Borat - it wasn't possible back then via normal means, only by exploiting the GH bug and getting tomes. Possibly by some other, yet bugged/exploited, means.
The fact that it will (?) be possible soon doesn't justify your actions.

IMO, no one should be banned for finding and using a non-competitive bug in game, as long as it didn't bring any real benefit or edge over other players. Getting LDoA and LS on one character never was a real issue. But if ANet judged the other way, well, no one should get suddenly unbanned.

Ok, so if I dupe an ectos and go spam in Kamadan district 1: Giving away free ectos. Anyone accepting ectos should get banned?

MrKGado · Mar 03, 2011, 05:23 PM // 17:23

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Originally Posted by Rites

after the update later today/tonight they will be giving out missions in pre scaled to the party leaders level to allow players to gain experience towards this title. similar to the Zaishen missions/Wanted/Zaishen bounties I believe

its not on wiki yet cuz it is not yet implemented

Ahh, that makes sense. Thanks for the quick reply. Looks like my ranger may get this title sooner than expected.

Rites · Mar 03, 2011, 05:24 PM // 17:24

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Originally Posted by Coast

u use 2accounts for it and have a skill named rebirth

as far as i remember (unless things have changed since i last played in pre) you do not get any hard rezzes until after going into post

one of the ways people were able to work around this was thru a bug that ANet later fixed.

Ghull Ka · Mar 03, 2011, 05:26 PM // 17:26

I submit that a small amount of "it will make some players who already got it QQ" is acceptable in order to deliver a large amount of "it will make many players totally excited". The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the fanatical death levelers.

No sympathy to people who look at their ingame accomplishments through the prism of "it was harder for me to do than it was for you, so when you get to do it to it makes me feel less awesome". That kind of attitude will bring you nothing but pain. I suggest you drop that attitude completely.

I beat the Battle of Lion's Arch before they nerfed it, but I'm not crying about someone's new toons beating it easily in its nerfed form, and soon with 5 lvl 20 heroes.

Gill Halendt · Mar 03, 2011, 05:30 PM // 17:30

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Originally Posted by Rites

as far as i remember (unless things have changed since i last played in pre) you do not get any hard rezzes until after going into post

Bingo.

That's why people got banned. Something wrong allowed them to get both titles when it used to be impossible - if I recall correctly, he used tomes exploiting a bug that caused the Guild Hall to be accessible from the Pre-Searing for a while.

He wasn't banned "for getting both titles", but for abusing an illegitimate way to do so.

Now there's a legitimate way. End of story.

Killed u man · Mar 03, 2011, 05:33 PM // 17:33

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

Bingo.

That's why people got banned. Something wrong allowed them to get both titles when it used to be impossible - if I recall correctly, he used tomes exploiting a bug that caused the Guild Hall to be accessible from the Pre-Searing for a while.

He wasn't banned "for getting both titles", but for abusing an illegitimate way to do so.

Now there's a legitimate way. End of story.

There were over 100 people buying and selling tomes. Even the admins of presearing.com, an official fansite (Listed on Guild Wars) traded some items. As far as I know, I'm one of the only people that got banned, based on the fact that it's impossible to get LS and LDoA.

Gaile explicitly stated you will NOT get banned for buying tomes.

So as an excuse, they kept me banned on grounds of: "It's impossible to get both titles", but how is that of an issue after this update?

Gill Halendt · Mar 03, 2011, 05:37 PM // 17:37

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

So as an excuse, they kept me banned on grounds of: "It's impossible to get both titles", but how is that of an issue after this update?

I remember reading through the whole discussion on the wiki. People involved were forced to get rid of these items. Getting both titles took time, during which you volountarily ignored this warning and didn't remove items/characters.

Anyway. It was an issue, now it's not anymore since they're providing legitimate ways (that reads: not involving bug exploitation) to achieve something you obtained illegitimately.

Dzjudz · Mar 03, 2011, 05:40 PM // 17:40

Wasn't it like:

people who got tomes and skills etc but who had not gotten both survivor and ldoa on the same char weren't banned but forced to sear their char, and you were banned because they couldn't remove the title from the HoM?

In which case, see the underlined sentence above from Gill.

gremlin · Mar 03, 2011, 05:41 PM // 17:41

I am really very sorry for those who have being death leveling for ages and are almost there or those who did get the title honestly I am really really sorry.

Ok I am over being sorry now its time to be glad because you can now get the title and survivor as well which is good news.
Time to start another character and play through the entire game again.

Good luck to everyone who goes for it.

Zodiak · Mar 03, 2011, 05:46 PM // 17:46

I have to say these changes are bitter sweet. I have been able to achieve 31 titles that I am proud to say I have gotten on my own without spending a gold piece (except for Skill Hunter of cource).

I had been trying to get LDOA off and on for years now. However I used to setup mobs of Charr and leave it for the night but when I woke up I would find myself disconnected from the game and very frustrated. I have always had the patience for LDOA but I suffer from frequent disconnects, from which not all of them I can reconnect.

I will be happy to be able to achieve this title I have been trying for so long but as many others here, I feel like the that having the title is more "about the journey, not the destination", meaning its not about the title but how you got there, that gives the title weight.

Bristlebane · Mar 03, 2011, 05:49 PM // 17:49

*Grabs popcorn, watching the drama* .. hm wait, where's the remote..?

LDoA was a broken title, no doubt about it. Exactly how are you defending Ascalon? It's just as screwed up as someone committing suicide, then people saying "He died as a hero".

NOW.. maybe they could have created a new mutually exclusive title (like Commander/Codex title), allowing LDoA to exist for another month for anyone who wanted to finish it, and for all thoose suicide dummies who died for Ascalon 100,000 times to keep their title unaffected.
New title could have been named something like Legendary Champion of Ascalon.

Anyway, done is done and all the LDoA people just have to live with it.

Kunder · Mar 03, 2011, 05:52 PM // 17:52

QQ moar

I say this as a player who just got out of pre with an LDoA 1 month ago. If the new content is interesting enough (and there is no way to get back planned) then I might just delete her and do it again.

MithranArkanere · Mar 03, 2011, 05:58 PM // 17:58

I've heard that several people that got non-pre-Searing skills in there were 'advised' to leave pre, where that's not a problem.

Rites · Mar 03, 2011, 05:59 PM // 17:59

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

I've heard that several people that got non-pre-Searing skills in there were 'advised' to leave pre, where that's not a problem.

yes, but by that time the players had already gotten their LDoA titles, so it didnt really affect them

REDdelver · Mar 03, 2011, 06:03 PM // 18:03

Anyone else want to really look at these four words ....Legendary Defender of Ascalon.

When I look at them, I see as a completely different title than just reaching lvl 20. It could simply be that you survived countless of battles defending ascalon up until the searing (going to post) or your death which ever came first....ie the upcoming quests plus all the other available quests.

IM not saying to rework it...im merely expressing my thoughts if i was in a meeting at Anet. It could be set-up just similar to the EoTN rep titles..probably not on a large scale.. and even if that were to occur then the survivor could be still separate title.

Shayne Hawke · Mar 03, 2011, 06:04 PM // 18:04

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Originally Posted by Maver1ck87

a) devalues it for everyone who has already achieved it

You can't devalue a title that never had value in the first place, and it always lacked such value because the method for obtaining it was laughable.

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b) for all the POOR people who have level 18 toons in pre after death leveling for xxx hours its gonna be kinda devastating to see people catch up in like x weeks of casual play

Boohoo them? They are only two levels from finally making it to level 20. Their death-leveling before gives them a sort of head-start on everyone else who may now just be starting to do these quests.

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c) ALSO all those people with lvl 18 toons in pre who lost their survivor months ago are gonna be pissed at all the new LS/LDoA toons running about!

oh you. You know survivor is being changed, right?

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d) Titles SHOULD be accessible to everyone

e) Titles SHOULD NOT be achievable by everyone -> this is what gives titles value etc...

The only title which was ever accessible to everyone and not achievable by some was... well, I was going to say "Survivor", but anyone who missed out on that in their first few months of play could make a new character and get another go at it.

In other words, no title in GW has ever been both accessible to all and not achievable to some. All you need to get any title in the game is a decent chunk of time. Hitting your head against a wall will eventually break down the wall (provided you don't kill yourself in the process). The change to LDoA is not meant to necessarily shorten the amount of play time needed to achieve the title (letting your computer sit for ten hours at a time with your character dying repeatedly to the Charr should not be considered playing). It is only meant to give it a proper method of acquisition, not something found through what can be seen as abuse.

Captain Bulldozer · Mar 03, 2011, 06:08 PM // 18:08

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Originally Posted by Maver1ck87

Ok, new update sounds great and everything, cant wait for embark and 7 heroes etc.... HOWEVER... the change to the LDoA title is dubious in my eyes for these reasons:

I'd like to answer your points one at a time.

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Originally Posted by Maver1ck87

a) devalues it for everyone who has already achieved it

Everyone who has achieved the title will still have it. Other than having a title, there's no real value to it. Unless you're concerned with epeen... in which case: grow up. GW is a game. Anyone will enough time can do anything in the game so long as they have a handful of functioning brain cells.

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Originally Posted by Maver1ck87

b) for all the POOR people who have level 18 toons in pre after death leveling for xxx hours its gonna be kinda devastating to see people catch up in like x weeks of casual play

Boo hoo. Those people will still have a big head start on the others.

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Originally Posted by Maver1ck87

c) ALSO all those people with lvl 18 toons in pre who lost their survivor months ago are gonna be pissed at all the new LS/LDoA toons running about!

Boo hoo. Those people can work on the new survivor just like all the people who will be getting it now. In fact, they may even have an advantage by being a high level in doing so.

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Originally Posted by Maver1ck87

d) Titles SHOULD be accessible to everyone

That's already the case. Nothing changes here, except that now you have to actually play the game to get a title rather than afk death leveling for months.

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Originally Posted by Maver1ck87

e) Titles SHOULD NOT be achievable by everyone -> this is what gives titles value etc...

See my response to (a). I'll reiterate: grow up. If an accomplishment in a VIDEO GAME is that big a deal to you, I feel sorry for you. Maybe you should go do something more productive with your life.