Curse

Olle · Apr 04, 2011, 07:20 AM // 07:20

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Originally Posted by Leohan

Read peoples posts and then type. The original poster is talking about the fact that the rewards for doing vanguard stuff like charr battle plans should be changed to greater rewards in the first place.

The Annihilator quest was great/fun... there were moments I did feel compelled to just keep going to farm out my title with it.

And guess why he made the post?
Imo, Cause he wants to Max ebon.
Sure, balance the rewards, but keep in mind that things like this Q pops up all the time.
Doing the bounties helps alot, and we should be Happy the rewards are so big.

Spiritz · Apr 04, 2011, 07:57 AM // 07:57

Just glancing i dont see ( or i missed ) anyone saying the thackery quest ( 1st one ) can be rep farmed.I maxed my sins vanguard doing it and its approx 4 - 6 min run as you only fight the few mobs at start - run past the rest and fight the last at exit.
What you appear to be moaning about - even tho the commando quests end today - is about having to grind the rep.Sorry but everyone who has done eotn ( and same with nf ) after a set rank you need to do it in hm which is fair as its more points and tbh plenty of ppl have farmed vanguard rep from vanquishes/path to rev.. and even speedbooking.
Btw thinking of it - farming kieran even at 6 min runs gives 10k rep an hr where the commando being a larger area to cover takes a lot longer ( i doubt you can do it under 12 mins ).
Btw again if all your moaning about is vanguard then why not add asuran - i really do hate the idea of leeching asuran rep and sitting around just so someone else can earn my rep/drops etc .... just thought i`ll add that bit lol.

edit - stand corrected on the commando mission time - didnt even see this thread had 2nd page , too early in morning for me

Lasai · Apr 04, 2011, 08:25 AM // 08:25

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Originally Posted by kajusbonus

And guess why he made the post?
Imo, Cause he wants to Max ebon.
Sure, balance the rewards, but keep in mind that things like this Q pops up all the time.
Doing the bounties helps alot, and we should be Happy the rewards are so big.

I will max my Vanguard doing exactly what I have been doing. I am not the one needing points spoonfed to me by a series of canned skillset farm quests. I prefer to actually play my character and profession, thanks. I am r9 Vanguard and will max it without any of that. I have managed every maxed faction title I have without farming quests, speedbooks, leaching or any other shortcut.

I'm fine with doing harder, longer EoTN content for less reward. I only wonder what the thought process was behind discouraging people to play the EoTN content and encouraging them to farm gimmick quests instead. Why, for instance, things like the Battle Plan quests.. which are utterly useless past r7 instead of simply allowing pts for HM.

On one hand they clamp down on things.. like tweaking the Pre quests to disable powerleveling.... and then on the other enable a "joke" quest that was frankly abused for both financial and title gain to an excessive degree.

I am not seeing consistency. These canned farm quests seem to violate their own parameters as applied to the rest of the game. Past r7 was HM time..save the moderate faction from z missions and bounties. Now.. you could have maxed it with a new char this past weekend and never even purchased a single skill..armor..weapon.. anything. Done it without boat travel, unlocking outposts.. nothing. Done it without ever setting foot in a Vanguard zone, or EoTN for that matter. Done it without having played the game.. at all.. Seems a big difference to me and a very poor direction to take. Explain to me why I should be giddy and grateful for that kind of shoddy implementation.. please.

Verene · Apr 04, 2011, 03:21 PM // 15:21

Well, good for you.

That doesn't change the fact that Ebon Vanguard is the most difficult of the EOTN tracks to max, as there's only three areas to vanquish and don't have any decently quick areas to farm.

If you don't like it, then go ahead and keep farming the same few quests and vanquishing the same three areas repeatedly. But it's not your place to tell people who'd rather cut out some of the tedium with a quest that'll be gone in a few hours that they're doing it wrong.

(No, I haven't farmed this quest myself. But that's because I don't care about maxing titles that much since I've got everything for HoM already, and if I do max any EOTN titles, it sure as hell won't be Vanguard.)

pingu666 · Apr 04, 2011, 03:42 PM // 15:42

rather alarming thing about that title track (and other tbh) is in hardmode the base level in hardmode is 2points per kill, and max rank is 160,000.
or we need to kill 80,000 charr/other, and i cant see how the eotn ebon areas pass a total population of 1500?

at 1500 you would need to kill each red dot 53 times to max the title

we get rewards from quests and dungeons etc, but its still grindtasticaly high

Ghull Ka · Apr 04, 2011, 04:52 PM // 16:52

I agree with the OP. I didn't know that battle plans missions stop giving you Vanguard rep after a certain point. That's silly. Those missions are the very essence of being a Vanguard Agent. Ya know, lock and load, go assault some Charr.

Battle Plans missions definitely should give you more rep than Kieran's Adventures in Kryta.

Lasai · Apr 04, 2011, 06:01 PM // 18:01

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Originally Posted by Verene

Well, good for you.

That doesn't change the fact that Ebon Vanguard is the most difficult of the EOTN tracks to max, as there's only three areas to vanquish and don't have any decently quick areas to farm.

If you don't like it, then go ahead and keep farming the same few quests and vanquishing the same three areas repeatedly. But it's not your place to tell people who'd rather cut out some of the tedium with a quest that'll be gone in a few hours that they're doing it wrong.

(No, I haven't farmed this quest myself. But that's because I don't care about maxing titles that much since I've got everything for HoM already, and if I do max any EOTN titles, it sure as hell won't be Vanguard.)

Sorry, not meaning to tell other people what to do. Mainly asking ANET wtf were they thinking.

Arutima · Apr 04, 2011, 06:19 PM // 18:19

i have maxed eotn titles on my main character and i never did any of those quests (sacnoth valley vanq)

i will never get maxed titles to any of my other 9 characters, since it is grindy and boring

Gabs88 · Apr 04, 2011, 06:25 PM // 18:25

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Originally Posted by cosyfiep

no they are just trying to make it easier to max ....its more because there are only 3 areas to get vanguard points in as compared to what 5 for norn and asura (hence why the game was released unfinished--where are the other areas???). trying to balance???? (where is the laugh emote)....

If anything I think Ebon Vanguard is easier to max then norn, better more focused zones and you can do 15-20k per hour VQing Sacnoth repeatedly.

Urcscumug · Apr 04, 2011, 10:52 PM // 22:52

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Originally Posted by NerfHerder

There is a recurring theme in GW lately, allowing for easier access to titles. Either you can get upset about it or be happy for the casual player. Your choice.

Just a quick mention, but I don't think "casual player" and "grind" go well together. Farming of any kind = grind in my book. As a casual player, this is not why I play this game (or any game).

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Originally Posted by Lasai

I just see a confusing message on ANETs part. IF there is a disparity earning Vanguard, fix that, don't dump in what are basically, to me, sanctioned exploit farms.

I guess it's the effect of the release date for GW2 closing in. It's easier to just put in one farmable quest with lots of points than rework all the Vanguard stuff in EotN.

pingu666 · Apr 04, 2011, 11:27 PM // 23:27

rep titles should be closer to the eotn title, so do all quests and missions, vanq areas = max title pretty much

Fay Vert · Apr 05, 2011, 12:28 AM // 00:28

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Originally Posted by pingu666

rather alarming thing about that title track (and other tbh) is in hardmode the base level in hardmode is 2points per kill, and max rank is 160,000.
or we need to kill 80,000 charr/other, and i cant see how the eotn ebon areas pass a total population of 1500?

at 1500 you would need to kill each red dot 53 times to max the title

we get rewards from quests and dungeons etc, but its still grindtasticaly high

The shrine bonuses and bosses bump up the points a lot, and a heap when you complete vanquish (5 per kill) so an area like Dalada Uplands will yeild a few thousand. It's an easy area and you wander round in a devourer.

pingu666 · Apr 05, 2011, 04:12 AM // 04:12

I know that

even at 5points per kill its still a massive amount of dead charr

DoopDoop · Apr 08, 2011, 05:45 AM // 05:45

Haven't the Charr suffered enough? Even from the beginning of Pre Searing to the first years of Tyria, before ships set sail to Cantha and Elona we were killing Charr. Remember that last mission in Pre Searing? Bodies of Charrs strewn across the dank cave. Why kill more Charr if you can avoid it?

SunJinyu · Apr 08, 2011, 02:30 PM // 14:30

EoTN ranks are ridiculously easy to max compared to other titles. I maxed mine easily without having to farm SD or spend April Fools grinding Annihilator - in fact I've never done SD or speedbooked, nor have I ever spent much time farming raptors or vaettirs. I got mine by *gasp* playing the game! Dungeons, vanquishes, missions and zaishen bonuses should get you over max rank all while advancing your Master of the North title.

Vanguard is slightly more difficult because of two less zones to vanq but still easy. If you want to grind quests over and over that's your choice - but the time spent to max the title through normal game play is nowhere as time intensive as most other titles like guardian/vanquisher/cartographer etc.

Verene · Apr 08, 2011, 03:52 PM // 15:52

...you know, part of this argument I simply don't get.

Doing a repeatable quest is still playing the game. And you have to grind to max the EOTN titles - doing something repeatedly is grind.

SunJinyu · Apr 08, 2011, 06:36 PM // 18:36

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Originally Posted by Verene

...you know, part of this argument I simply don't get.

Doing a repeatable quest is still playing the game. And you have to grind to max the EOTN titles - doing something repeatedly is grind.

It is a very boring way to play the game for a lot of people and no, it isn't required to max the titles - apart from doing missions/dungeons in nm and hm which in my opinion is no different than having to do missions in nm and hm for the legendary guardian title. Yes you can max your titles by repeating quests over and over if that's what you want to do - my point was that that's not the only way to get them, nor obtaining them without farming quests difficult to achieve.

Ghull Ka · Apr 11, 2011, 08:42 PM // 20:42

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Originally Posted by DoopDoop

Haven't the Charr suffered enough? Even from the beginning of Pre Searing to the first years of Tyria, before ships set sail to Cantha and Elona we were killing Charr. Remember that last mission in Pre Searing? Bodies of Charrs strewn across the dank cave. Why kill more Charr if you can avoid it?

I read the words you typed, and recognize them as English, which is my native language. But I still don't understand.

Why kill more Charr? Because there are more.

Verene · Apr 11, 2011, 11:27 PM // 23:27

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Originally Posted by SunJinyu

It is a very boring way to play the game for a lot of people and no, it isn't required to max the titles - apart from doing missions/dungeons in nm and hm which in my opinion is no different than having to do missions in nm and hm for the legendary guardian title. Yes you can max your titles by repeating quests over and over if that's what you want to do - my point was that that's not the only way to get them, nor obtaining them without farming quests difficult to achieve.

My point was that, in order to max Vanguard - or any of the EOTN titles - some sort of grind is required, whether it's farming, vanquishing repeatedly, dungeon runs, speedbooking, or taking advantage of repeatable quests. Vanquishing each area, and doing the missions and dungeons in both NM and HM is not enough to max a title. You're going to have to spend a fair amount of time redoing at least one of those things in order to max it. And that is grind. It's optional - you don't need to max those titles - but it's there.

And it's not comparable to Legendary Guardian, because you only have to complete each mission twice (one in NM and once in HM) for that, unless you don't get the master reward your first way through.