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Urcscumug · Jun 08, 2011, 07:46 PM // 19:46

And that's the gist of it.

McSnake, you're making several wrong assumptions:
* That there are lots of people with that kind of money. There aren't.
* That people don't care about their in-game money. I beg to differ -- the less of it they have the more they guard it.
* I've seen the sword being offered yesterday and today for prices 25-40e. Check the GwEstimator yourself.
* I seriously doubt the existence of a person who managed to gather 340e but doesn't realise how fast the swords will drop price. Assuming such a person exists, how many of them do you think there are? Don't judge the entire GW population by one man's IQ (or vanity, or whatever).

Mcsnake85 · Jun 08, 2011, 10:18 PM // 22:18

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Originally Posted by Urcscumug

And that's the gist of it.

McSnake, you're making several wrong assumptions:
* That there are lots of people with that kind of money. There aren't.
* That people don't care about their in-game money. I beg to differ -- the less of it they have the more they guard it.
* I've seen the sword being offered yesterday and today for prices 25-40e. Check the GwEstimator yourself.
* I seriously doubt the existence of a person who managed to gather 340e but doesn't realise how fast the swords will drop price. Assuming such a person exists, how many of them do you think there are? Don't judge the entire GW population by one man's IQ (or vanity, or whatever).

Wrong assumptions?Whats wrong?:
*THERE ARE ppl with a lot of money,or maybe there are only in GTOB.
If this assumption was wrong,in the last year we werent able to see ppl spamming "WTB ZKeys=7k each need 100" or "Need 200,300,400 ecc".
*There are ppl that dont care,for example my Girlfriend farmed 450e in 1 month just to use them for a EL Kuunawang....for me its a waste of money because now it worth less for her no.
I spent,for example,100e in strongboxes at rate of 12k/each....and i really dont care about use them.
*your point #3 = impossible,nothing more to add...maybe you saw GREEN envoy sword.
*to answer your 4th point:

And to close the post, i just say sorry if someone misunderstood my words when i spoke about ppl IQ,im not saying ALL ppl BUT just a lot of ppl...A lot mean "A LOT" not ALL or 10% or 20% or other.
Sorry if i get misunderstood

cataphract · Jun 09, 2011, 06:02 AM // 06:02

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Originally Posted by SmilingPolitely

Any idea why people are falling over themselves to buy silver zCoins @ 2k/ea? At that rate, it makes absolutely no sense to convert to gold zCoins, as silver are far, far more profitable.

Read your post, found 165 silver coins in my storage, sold them easily at 2k each. I wish I could sell all the stuff that's useless to me like that.

Plutoman · Jun 09, 2011, 06:23 AM // 06:23

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Originally Posted by cataphract

Read your post, found 165 silver coins in my storage, sold them easily at 2k each. I wish I could sell all the stuff that's useless to me like that.

Just did the same myself.

Ironically, I just hadn't converted to golds, was going to get a heavy equipment pack. Now I sold the silvers, and I can buy the golds with a profit in between.

tummlykins · Jun 09, 2011, 07:05 AM // 07:05

Considering the time investment for most quests that reward Z Coins, isn't 2k a little cheap? Put it this way. Most missions take at least 20 minutes and reward less than a single silve Z Coin. A normal vanquish will take the average player around 40 minutes to complete, if not more and they reward around 1-1.5 silver coins. That's roughly 3k for 40 minutes (on the higher end).

In 40 minutes of just playing in the UW you could easily find a single ecto worth 7-8k. In 40 minutes you could make 4-5k hydra farming with a 55hp monk.

Even with Z Coins nearly doubling in value via silver coins vs 20 slot bags, the time investment to get them is dramatically out of sync with the vast majority of alternative methods of obtaining any kind of wealth in GW.

Elnino · Jun 09, 2011, 08:20 AM // 08:20

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Originally Posted by Mcsnake85

Doesn't prove anything really. There are a lot of assumptions that have to be made before we can believe that those screenshots are legitimate. For example, we have to assume that the buyer is a completely different player.

cataphract · Jun 09, 2011, 08:29 AM // 08:29

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Originally Posted by tummlykins

Considering the time investment for most quests that reward Z Coins, isn't 2k a little cheap? Put it this way. Most missions take at least 20 minutes and reward less than a single silve Z Coin. A normal vanquish will take the average player around 40 minutes to complete, if not more and they reward around 1-1.5 silver coins. That's roughly 3k for 40 minutes (on the higher end).

Awwww, you're all over me today. That's so sweet. *hugglez* <3

Here's a thought you might entertain for a second: People are not doing the Zaishen daily quests to because of the money.

Srsly, everyone I know does those quests because they're either pretty easy to do or because they're working on their titles. The logic is simple: If you're going to vanquish a map, and that map is Zaishen VQ, you're going to pick it up and get additional rewards for your vanquish. Zaishen quests are not done exclusively because of their rewards but becase they sinergize very well with several titles players want to max. They provide a healthier level of living for someone that's after Legendary Guardian and Vanquisher. And that's just awesome.

Mcsnake85 · Jun 09, 2011, 08:29 AM // 08:29

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Originally Posted by Elnino

Doesn't prove anything really. There are a lot of assumptions that have to be made before we can believe that those screenshots are legitimate. For example, we have to assume that the buyer is a completely different player.

Well,i dont waste my time on posting screenshot of a trade between accounts or friends.If most of ppl are liars dont mean all are.
Btw cant prove nothing and i really dont want prove it,just trust or not,thats all.

PS:If you dont trust my ectos dont disapear from my storage!

Martin Alvito · Jun 09, 2011, 04:06 PM // 16:06

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Originally Posted by cataphract

Zaishen quests are not done exclusively because of their rewards but becase they sinergize very well with several titles players want to max.

The idea behind the Zaishen quests was to cope with the twin problems of a dwindling player base and a proliferation of things for players to do. By introducing a quest, you incentivize players to choose to do that vanquish today as opposed to some other uncompleted vanquish. That creates a focal point for play, which in turn makes grouping possible.

The original Prophecies game had natural focal points. Missions such as Aurora Glade (bonus), Thunderhead Keep and the Ring of Fire missions were difficult to hench, forcing most players to group. Sorrow's Furnace was pretty much impossible to complete with hench; 4-5 players was the efficient farming team size.

Between heroes, the fragmenting of the player base over 58 missions, 20 dungeons and 100+ vanquishes, and the decline in the size of the player base, there were no longer natural focal points and it became more or less impossible for impromptu, casual groups to form.

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Originally Posted by tummlykins

Even with Z Coins nearly doubling in value via silver coins vs 20 slot bags, the time investment to get them is dramatically out of sync with the vast majority of alternative methods of obtaining any kind of wealth in GW.

That isn't necessarily a bad thing. The devs didn't want to create a situation where today's group farm moves from day to day, and where hardcore players and casual players end up trying to form groups together. They also didn't want the ZCoins to become a hardcore farming item such that casual players couldn't get a solid return for earning small quantities of ZCoins.

Plutoman · Jun 09, 2011, 06:24 PM // 18:24

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Originally Posted by tummlykins

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Gotta consider both what Martin and cata said, along with the consideration that most players don't farm the UW, or other hardcore (these actually may be labeled casual) farms. I still get people amazed at the idea of farming 15k per hour through Glint's challenge, and more.

Ximvotn · Jun 10, 2011, 01:20 AM // 01:20

Zoins become trade-able, gold coins become traded for ectos, along with this update you can get new weapons that are only available from zaishen collectors. Who would have guessed the price would go up? If the weapons aren't trade-able then the price may stay afloat, if not then it will drop. However, seeing as there is no HoM use they most likely won't stay at the price they are.