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Bob_ftw · Dec 31, 2010, 02:49 PM // 14:49

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

As a matter of fact:

Anyone who mastered the DnD skill (similar to weaponswapping for BBwarrior) would find that simply "knowing" when a KD"ing snowball is incomming, would be enough to perform a good DnD. So a simple overlay that warns you when a KD'ing snowball is incomming/being cast would be enough of a help to turn an otherwise "average" player in a godlike one.

lol , why would you need an overlay when the game already presents you with visual information of incoming snowballs. I.E. move your character with the camera view behind you so you can actually watch the field of play.

Missing HB · Dec 31, 2010, 02:55 PM // 14:55

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Originally Posted by crazy daggerfighter

That would be impossible since guilds will just make a smurf to get into the lower ranked group.

Not really : people would then need the 7 days requirement , and considering playing 24/7 , they would need to change guild like every 2 tournaments . So , then it would turn into only guesting in different guilds , which isn't really that bad ( pretty sure people would play better if they fought LR players in a guild called [GOTH] for example than in real [LR]; that's like you're fighting nadal masked on tennis , but you don't know it's nadal... )

crazy daggerfighter · Dec 31, 2010, 04:01 PM // 16:01

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Originally Posted by Missing HB

Not really : people would then need the 7 days requirement , and considering playing 24/7 , they would need to change guild like every 2 tournaments.

Not true:

You need 2 members of 7 days so you can just create a guild with 2 players, guest 6 others.

For 8 players this are already 4 guilds + if let's say 6 of them have an alt acc (players who play guildwars for a very long time usually have one, sometimes even more)

So that are already 7 guilds.

When a guild becomes out of use, disband and remake for 7 days later.

This is just how guilds who would want to stay low would do it i think...
Pairing up strong guilds in the same group wouldn't work at all!

Dunbari Facestomper · Jan 01, 2011, 01:47 PM // 13:47

This was the most challenging group, and it only happened once

Tullzinski · Jan 01, 2011, 07:41 PM // 19:41

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Originally Posted by Bob_ftw

Bots should have a 100% success rate, due to packet reading ect... however these players that are supposedly "botting", can and do fail all the time. If you knew how to play against dnd, you can pretty much guarentee taking the present when you have a kd snowball.

ROFL and my computer and all the associated software work 100% of the time also.

Vengful Was Midnyte · Jan 02, 2011, 04:16 PM // 16:16

I have encountered several guilds using bots and macros in Snowball ATs. It is very obvious when guilds are using bots and macros.

I want to raise the point that the use of macros (outside of what Guild Wars itself offers) is against the Guild Wars rules of conduct. This is because the rules of conduct states that players may not use any third-party program in order to interact within Guild Wars. This includes any software for making and executing macros (for example the g11 and g15 keyboards that have been talked about). This includes the use of even simple macros.

Here is the link to the Guild Wars rules of conduct: http://eu.guildwars.com/support/arti...es_of_conduct/

Here is the direct quote from the rules of conduct:
"22. You may not use any third-party program (such as a “bot") in order to automate gameplay functions, including playing, chatting, interacting, or gathering gold or items within Guild Wars. You may not assist, relay, or store gold or items for other players who are using these processes."

As you can see it also states that players may not assist players who are using these processes. So if you are playing with a macro/bot user, even if you are not using macros/bots, you are violating the rules of conduct. If a player sees a team that is using bots and/or macros, it is valid to report both the player(s) using the bots and/or macros as well as their teammates.

The guys at Anet have been busy with the holiday season and Guild Wars 2. It may take some time, but I expect Anet to take action against those who have been repeatedly violating the rules of conduct in Snowball Ats. I urge Anet to take action against these users and fully support any action that they take.

Missing HB · Jan 02, 2011, 05:55 PM // 17:55

Point is that they don't care enough of GW1 in updates so it's not like they will do something at this. I saw on B some obvious botting on last AT too , but well , even if they cared they would say " anyway , snowball ATs only last 2 weeks " or " if you want rewards go farm snowball dominance " ...
Those last bannings didn't do anything , people are still syncing in GvG and pretty sure some still do bot in HA. I don't really care much as i did about bots for HA , especially coz i know game is completly dead now. You can see almost every PvP area is abused in a certain way , and they won't do anything for it ..

Silverblad3 · Jan 05, 2011, 04:14 PM // 16:14

Seems like more teams are using the bots and macros.......so sad to see players lack actual skill and have to 'cheat'.

Silver

dancing gnome · Jan 05, 2011, 04:39 PM // 16:39

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Originally Posted by Bob_ftw

Bots should have a 100% success rate, due to packet reading ect... however these players that are supposedly "botting", can and do fail all the time. If you knew how to play against dnd, you can pretty much guarentee taking the present when you have a kd snowball.

If you made a bot and didn't want to get banned, wouldn't you program it to make "mistakes" some times to make it look less botty? Like how people program farm bots to have slight irregularities so that they are less obvious than a perfect cycle.

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Originally Posted by Missing HB

Point is that they don't care enough of GW1 in updates so it's not like they will do something at this. I saw on B some obvious botting on last AT too , but well , even if they cared they would say " anyway , snowball ATs only last 2 weeks " or " if you want rewards go farm snowball dominance " ...
Those last bannings didn't do anything , people are still syncing in GvG and pretty sure some still do bot in HA. I don't really care much as i did about bots for HA , especially coz i know game is completly dead now. You can see almost every PvP area is abused in a certain way , and they won't do anything for it ..

I think their actions from early last year show that they will do something about this. They are probably just staying quiet like they did last time until they can ban them all at once. It also takes time to find and catch bots I guess - in a way which is thorough and comprehensive. ArenaNet chooses to wait and punish players rather than actively discourage them from breaking the rules in the first place. Personally I prefer preventative measures because it stops some people from breaking the rules in the first place.

Silverblad3 · Jan 06, 2011, 12:13 AM // 00:13

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Originally Posted by dancing gnome

I think their actions from early last year show that they will do something about this. They are probably just staying quiet like they did last time until they can ban them all at once. It also takes time to find and catch bots I guess - in a way which is thorough and comprehensive. ArenaNet chooses to wait and punish players rather than actively discourage them from breaking the rules in the first place. Personally I prefer preventative measures because it stops some people from breaking the rules in the first place.

Yes we can only hope that is the case currently, however it seems the feedback from last year snowball ATs did not make it to the Anet Live Team/CR table. Lets hope it makes it this time and action will be taken retroactively. At the moment many players are being penalised by bad players who are using macros and bots. Also, many guilds and players have been turned off this feature of the event so its Anet interest to show that they can and will act, especially if they are to win the confidence going forwards to GWII.

Silver

End · Jan 06, 2011, 12:25 AM // 00:25

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Originally Posted by dancing gnome

If you made a bot and didn't want to get banned, wouldn't you program it to make "mistakes" some times to make it look less botty? Like how people program farm bots to have slight irregularities so that they are less obvious than a perfect cycle.

I'd like to add lag to this. Everyone who PvP's or in-general plays GW's knows it happens and can f**k over even the best of players and the best of bots.

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I think their actions from early last year show that they will do something about this. They are probably just staying quiet like they did last time until they can ban them all at once. It also takes time to find and catch bots I guess - in a way which is thorough and comprehensive. ArenaNet chooses to wait and punish players rather than actively discourage them from breaking the rules in the first place. Personally I prefer preventative measures because it stops some people from breaking the rules in the first place.

The problem is preventitive actions don't work. You still see hacks, cheats, and bots in games with prevention. Even 100% perfect detection are far from perfection.

Anti-botting will always be reactive because proactive is simply in-efficent. Sure changing an Id here or an id there will mess with it for a day...Sure adding in some seperate prevention like gameguard will work until someone figures out how to f**k up the prevention system (which gameguards prevention is laughable considering how it's borderline malware)

*lemming* · Jan 06, 2011, 04:05 AM // 04:05

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Originally Posted by dancing gnome

I think their actions from early last year show that they will do something about this. They are probably just staying quiet like they did last time until they can ban them all at once. It also takes time to find and catch bots I guess - in a way which is thorough and comprehensive. ArenaNet chooses to wait and punish players rather than actively discourage them from breaking the rules in the first place. Personally I prefer preventative measures because it stops some people from breaking the rules in the first place.

The single ban wave of last year was a poor decision made solely for the PR value.

If Anet had actually done something to dissuade botting in the six months where GWCA became a household term, the problem might never have escalated to the point where it did. Instead, they refused to acknowledge that any issue existed, which was indubitably a factor in the eventual extent of the problem. Withholding any sort of official announcement until the ban actually happened only served to increase the number of people they could eventually hold up as the successful results of their dragnet, when in reality, the game would have been far better served nipping the problem in the bud.

galactic · Jan 06, 2011, 04:42 AM // 04:42

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Originally Posted by lemming

If Anet had actually done something to dissuade botting in the six months where GWCA became a household term, the problem might never have escalated to the point where it did.

I second this opinion.

And for OP, it is possible for good players to be good without use of bots. Are you aware of the target nearest item command? Quickly spamming this and your space bar (default) can cause an almost instant pickup.

Silverblad3 · Jan 06, 2011, 07:43 AM // 07:43

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Originally Posted by galactic

And for OP, it is possible for good players to be good without use of bots. Are you aware of the target nearest item command? Quickly spamming this and your space bar (default) can cause an almost instant pickup.

Yes I do, I get to ninja presents easily from non-macro/bot teams as I can see kds incoming. Rarely do I get to ninja presents from macro users and botters, macros repeat the action 'XXX' times for my several well timed ones.

Silver

Silverblad3 · Jan 17, 2011, 04:57 PM // 16:57

Well we know Anet will keep quiet on this as they did with the bots in GvG, yes there used in HA but because of the QQ in GvG did Anet do something. So, question is, are the bots/macros being used in normal GvG?

Anyone on the Live Crew want to inform us if Anet are aware of the problem?

Silver

Killed u man · Jan 17, 2011, 05:48 PM // 17:48

Silverblad3, the only bots they banned where the ones using whatever protocol GWCA was using. They could only ban said people because the source was released, and it was only copy paste work for them to detect injections.

Some of most appreciated players in GvG, snowball and RBR are using exploits on/or bots. It's only a matter of time before the "next gen" bots get released, aka the fully undetectable ones. The ones who are at the roots of the entire botting community (Call them the private bots, the elite ones), the ones who create the bots never got banned, unless they experimented with the shitty public released one.

I can assure you that there is far worse bots and exploits than this snowball shenannigans. They get a free once-in-year real life reward of around 500/1000 USD, so be it. (Which doesn't affect the rest of the community)

There's prot bots, infuse bots, weaponswap ones, bull's strike ones, there's overlays and those are only the gameplay infecting ones.

There's exploits which let you teleport to any outpost (forced map travels), exploits which allowed you to play all of the seasoned events outside of the season, and there's still so much more.

NCSoft is aware of most of them, or was anyways, but they refuse to do anything about them.

Silverblad3 · Jan 18, 2011, 12:16 AM // 00:16

Hey Borat

I knew it was bad, but not that bad....Well all we can do is keep raising the profile and letting folks know that people can get away with cheating for a while until anet decides to do something if at all.

That most of the screens of admissions and botting reports will not be even noticed.

So bad that new players are being put off by the crap and that it does not bode well for GW2.

Silver

Killed u man · Jan 18, 2011, 12:26 AM // 00:26

Well, tbh it's not that bad... With that I mean that we've had it worse, remember the weeks after the interrupt bot got released?

It's just that you can't expect anyone to take your game serious when there is people cheating in the highest tiers of PvP. All this PvP love Anet is talking is meaningless if no preventions are being made to stop these botters.

On the other side, you can't expect NCSoft to spend major resources solely to stop botting/exploiting, so it's delicate case. By doing nothing, however, NCSoft is giving the go ahead for these bots to slowly start spreading again. You can already find an undetectable weaponswap bot (You select each weaponset that goes with a skill you press, the program will automatically put you in that set, and swap back to shield after every cast) by googeling 5 minutes.

NCSoft should've stepped up their game a long time ago, be it through locating the source of these bots and shutting it down, or by having "undercover" people join these alledged websites, get their hands on source and then do a full system wipe making sure you get all of the acounts of the people who are actively creating these bots.

Anyways, that's what they should be doing if this entire "BIG GW2 TOURNAMENT"-shizzle is planned to go through...

Silverblad3 · Jan 18, 2011, 12:35 AM // 00:35

Well, you make several good points. I just know that the folks I play with in the snowball gvg were really pissed off that it has happened again, that good players and players who want to learn/practice honestly are being penalised.

Anet wont do anything with the reports on botters or take 6 months to come up with a solution. Yet the excuse of lack of resources is complete BS, when they milk the customers with costumes, several times a year. So they could use some of that money for preventing some of this crap.

It is a terrible state for the game. The lack of making a fair environment by anet,and the steps they should have taken but have not. I can only hope they do something to make credible the GW franchise. Otherwise GW2 is just going to be a sh*tfest in PvP.

Silver

Silverblad3 · Jan 25, 2011, 04:23 PM // 16:23

So any news if Anet officially recognises the problem? Any of the Test Krewe care to comment to see if this has been flagged to Anet? Seems to me that its way too quiet.....Last time after months of quietness 3,500+ accounts were banned, are we too hopeful?

Silver