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Pluberus · Jan 07, 2012, 02:55 PM // 14:55

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Originally Posted by Rezz Anna Nicole

fact: RA stands for RANDOM Arena
It's not supposed to be balanced, it's supposed to be completely random, where "pros" and "newbies" will face eachother

You can still have random with some balance. Makes it more fun for everyone. That's how modern FPS matchmaking works. Random matches, but somewhat balanced.

bhavv · Jan 07, 2012, 02:58 PM // 14:58

Bringing back TA would fix a lot of things, first and foremost all the people who actually want to make a full team builds to farm glad points with would have TA back rather than having to try and sync in RA.

Missing HB · Jan 07, 2012, 03:15 PM // 15:15

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Originally Posted by Pluberus

You can still have random with some balance. Makes it more fun for everyone. That's how modern FPS matchmaking works. Random matches, but somewhat balanced.

The diference with FPS or starcraft/warcraft is that you can still win alone against 2-3 guys, which isn't really the case in Guild wars, except if you have 2 monks and a warrior against 4 sins...

The only way to fix would be to go back in skill updates , but it clearly won't be done.. I could also say that probably 60% of threads suggested since 2009 would have never happened if they didn't delete team arenas and 30% if they didn't delete hero battles , but well....

Pluberus · Jan 07, 2012, 03:54 PM // 15:54

Well then, maybe this would work better in GW2 (since the professions are more independent and since there are no dedicated healers).

ruk1a · Jan 07, 2012, 04:08 PM // 16:08

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Originally Posted by Porkchop Sandwhiches

Ugh this is so true. These days if people don't have the perfect party they will just /resign right away because it's now only about the points. I miss the build testing and actual randomness it used to have. No fun there, now RA is serious business

Ah yes.. good old RA when I'd join using a 105(I think)hp invincible assassin rofl..may have been more hp I can't remember but it worked just as well. I like when people leave immediately, gives the rest of the group a chance to get a monk. RA battles don't last long anyway.. why not just take the 2 minutes to battle even if it's a loss.

I don't sync because I'm not low as shit, if I want to play with friends there are multiple other formats more enjoyable than RA imo.

Gruff · Jan 07, 2012, 04:37 PM // 16:37

Random Arena = Random don't know why so many people get their knickers in a twist about it. If you want a somewhat balanced small arena then codex is available so you get 4 seperate professions together.

And yes Team Arena shouldn't have been taken out etc etc

Coast · Jan 07, 2012, 04:48 PM // 16:48

Remove glad title from ra and put back ta.
Its simple: casuals en idiots will stay in ra and people who actually want to play decent matches will go to ta along with some guys that will run gimmicks.

ss heretic · Jan 07, 2012, 05:12 PM // 17:12

I would like to see an RA-Flux based on the team compositions, for example:

Team A: 3 Assassins, 1 Paragon team
-vs-
Team B: 1 Warrior, 1 Ranger, 1 Elementalist, 1 Monk

Flux would be:

Team A Flux: You are healed for x everytime you attack or use a skill.
Team B Flux: Movement speed increased by x

Fluffy Kittens · Jan 07, 2012, 07:56 PM // 19:56

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Originally Posted by ss heretic

I would like to see an RA-Flux based on the team compositions, for example:

Team A: 3 Assassins, 1 Paragon team
-vs-
Team B: 1 Warrior, 1 Ranger, 1 Elementalist, 1 Monk

Flux would be:

Team A Flux: You are healed for x everytime you attack or use a skill.
Team B Flux: Movement speed increased by x

Are you trolling?
That would have nothing to do with RA. Maybe in Codex sure, but keep the RA random.

bhavv · Jan 07, 2012, 08:39 PM // 20:39

Is codex active these days? That last time I did it people were continuously farming a team of their second accounts for free points.

I just went there and its still dead, only two groups plus 1 or 2 people without a group and not even looking for one.

makosi · Jan 07, 2012, 09:13 PM // 21:13

My continuous thoughts about RA:

-No more than one of the same profession on a team, akin to Codex.
-Do not pair teams with a monk with teams without a monk.

I believe that this would iron out a lot of 'heal wars' and prevent the ridiculous scenario in which one team has a monk-tank while the other team is left to be picked apart one by one.

Fluffy Kittens · Jan 07, 2012, 10:16 PM // 22:16

And what is so random about that? I don't think you get the point of RANDOM arena. It's supposed to be completely random, that's what makes it interesting and different from all other formats. Sometimes both teams have monk, sometimes one team doesn't have it but other team got two. That's the whole point of RA. If you want something organized I'd suggest you to go HA or something, maybe you'll help in making it alive again instead of trying to ruin the ONLY RANDOM format in the game.

Coast · Jan 07, 2012, 10:43 PM // 22:43

well, people shouldn't get dishonor for raging team instantly then neither; as u say: everything in ra is random. Why shouldn't behaviour allowed to be random then?(playing sub-optimal builds also could be seen as putting ur team at a disadvantage).

Pluberus · Jan 07, 2012, 11:33 PM // 23:33

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Originally Posted by Rezz Anna Nicole

And what is so random about that? I don't think you get the point of RANDOM arena. It's supposed to be completely random, that's what makes it interesting and different from all other formats. Sometimes both teams have monk, sometimes one team doesn't have it but other team got two. That's the whole point of RA. If you want something organized I'd suggest you to go HA or something, maybe you'll help in making it alive again instead of trying to ruin the ONLY RANDOM format in the game.

Its still random, because you don't know what team composition you'll have, what team composition the enemy will have, what maps you'll get, or who you'll play with.

It would be a lot more balanced, and more fair. The goal would be to make every match give both teams a 50% chance of winning. Of course that will never happen, but you can get close.

Yuris Sayuri · Jan 08, 2012, 06:11 AM // 06:11

@ Pluberus : I know how u feel, I always get the same profession in my team (Gladiator rank 10)

- If i play ranger -> only mes and rangers in my team.
- If i play monk --> atleast 1 further monk in my team.
- If i play melee --> i only get assas, dervs and warriors.
- If i play ele -----> i wont get a single melee.

And yes i was making notes, so its not just an felt issue.

Still people ask me why i sync sometimes - srsly?

Missing HB · Jan 08, 2012, 08:59 AM // 08:59

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Originally Posted by Rezz Anna Nicole

And what is so random about that? I don't think you get the point of RANDOM arena. It's supposed to be completely random, that's what makes it interesting and different from all other formats. Sometimes both teams have monk, sometimes one team doesn't have it but other team got two. That's the whole point of RA. If you want something organized I'd suggest you to go HA or something, maybe you'll help in making it alive again instead of trying to ruin the ONLY RANDOM format in the game.

Then, if we are really purists and trust that the arena should be RANDOM, syncing should directly mean ban, but unfortunately it's not really the case..
Why are also people leaving at the begin/end, the format is random so they shouldn't be here to expect the perfect team...
If people aren't satisfied with the random format, then i guess something has to be done on organized formats... oh wait..

Also, i don't believe the format is completly random to be honest... like every time i pass 5 consec, i'm facing the same players over and over..

makosi · Jan 08, 2012, 11:40 AM // 11:40

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Originally Posted by Rezz Anna Nicole

And what is so random about that? I don't think you get the point of RANDOM arena. It's supposed to be completely random, that's what makes it interesting and different from all other formats. Sometimes both teams have monk, sometimes one team doesn't have it but other team got two. That's the whole point of RA. If you want something organized I'd suggest you to go HA or something, maybe you'll help in making it alive again instead of trying to ruin the ONLY RANDOM format in the game.

If you're going to be such a purist over the term 'random' then you must also consider having a random number of players on each side, random levels, random skill bars and so on. Where do you draw the line?

Interesting and different? Totally subjective. And it's not the only random format - you've forgotten about JQ/FA and, to a lesser extent, AB if you want random teams.

Some people in this thread just want RA to quit being a game of rock, paper, scissors but, instead, a game where what they do impacts the outcome rather than which professions they incidently happened to spawn with.

"Make it alive again"? I wasn't aware that it died because it's fairly well populated from where I'm standing. It's bang-your-head-off-the-wall frustrating to face 4 stubborn-ass monks who won't resign and prolong the match to 7 minutes, killing a steak of 4, 9, 14, 19 or 24 wins.

Face it: the format is poorly thought out. It wouldn't be such an issue if there were no weekend events, zaishen combats, strongboxes or gladiator points to endorse the format and lure people in. Anet went there though, and they really ought to address the BS associated with RA.

Fluffy Kittens · Jan 08, 2012, 02:55 PM // 14:55

I do understand that all of you are very good players and that you want to win all. But you have to consider the fact that RA is low-end PvP and the learning place for newbies. The best way of learning is to adapt to multiple different situations and that's why RA should stay just the way it is. As I said, I understand how frustrating it is for you really good players to lose only because you don't have a monk in team or because you don't have a melee class in team but I think you'd better be off in HA or GvG where you can have any kinds of professions in team that you want and win all.

Man W/ Club · Jan 08, 2012, 03:42 PM // 15:42

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Originally Posted by Rezz Anna Nicole

fact: RA stands for RANDOM Arena
It's not supposed to be balanced, it's supposed to be completely random, where "pros" and "newbies" will face eachother

I agree completely, but too much synching is messing that up for normal people and newbies who want to learn.

IMO make RA only 1 district, not all these small districts where people can synch? I don't know how that will affect server lag (might be bad for it) but it will put an end to synching.

Plus we can all talk politics while waiting in line with people from other countries and different points of view.

Yuris Sayuri · Jan 08, 2012, 03:59 PM // 15:59

RA is only 1 district, but GW is almost 7 years old

Anet changed it like ~3 years ago to avoid syncing