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Aycee · Feb 22, 2012, 05:55 AM // 05:55

Already starting to think its very possible for people to have been duping by Trading item to second account>Having second account log off>DCing and semi rollbacking First account.

Swingline · Feb 22, 2012, 05:56 AM // 05:56

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Originally Posted by spun ducky

I don't see how they can call the crashing an exploit at all since it didn't do anything out of the ordinary that players do when they try to observe a match. I think most people would call it crappy design that an intended feature is broken.

The bigger question is what in fact happened in that HA match that messed up the whole observer mode if that was the cause.

I agree, people saying shit like we are ANON and will bring down blah blah blah will probably be dealt with but as for the people who clicked it a few times out of curiosity would be incredibly harsh if they receive a ban.

spun ducky · Feb 22, 2012, 05:56 AM // 05:56

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Originally Posted by Swingline

As far as I know its not a duplication exploit. All it did was rollback the server a few seconds.

Which is really convenient when you keep opening coffers of whispers until it is an armbrace.

Da Kenster · Feb 22, 2012, 05:56 AM // 05:56

And for those upset with the actions of certain individuals, Gaile also posted this:

If anyone happened to notice someone taunting or threatening other players with this exploit, I’d very much appreciate if you send me their name(s) via Private Message. Please do not post them here. And please be aware that before any action is taken on any account, we will fully verify that person’s involvement.

Thank you.

Further FYI.

Swingline · Feb 22, 2012, 05:59 AM // 05:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by spun ducky

Which is really convenient when you keep opening coffers of whispers until it is an armbrace.

I am more worried about Aycee's theory. People could have dupped 1750 armbraces every 30 seconds.

I also wonder if any Minipets were dupped.

Aycee · Feb 22, 2012, 06:03 AM // 06:03

Most likely if what I think actually works, we'll find out tomorrow if there's an increase in Rare Minis being sold off or stacks of ectos/arms causing a lot of deflation.

Linksys · Feb 22, 2012, 06:07 AM // 06:07

I did go into Observe mode and disconnected myself by selecting the HoH match and trying to observe it. I didn't know at that point that I would disconnect the whole Embark Beach district I was in. I thought I would only disconnect me directly and was curious. I had no mischief or malicious intent. I thought the mass disconnects were related but not directly caused by someone using the Observe feature. Then I found out it was and didn't do it again.

SunfallE · Feb 22, 2012, 06:10 AM // 06:10

I'm just glad they finally stopped it since it was annoying as frick to constantly get dc'd.

tenderpoison · Feb 22, 2012, 06:10 AM // 06:10

Was in FA earlier and same thing happened there too. And there was a guy counting to next dc and saying he figured out how he can't avoid being dc'd.

Elnino · Feb 22, 2012, 06:30 AM // 06:30

Funny that today is the gvg zquest day and all the sync guilds have been exposed thanks to the ladder reset.

Gabs88 · Feb 22, 2012, 06:48 AM // 06:48

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Originally Posted by Swingline

I am more worried about Aycee's theory. People could have dupped 1750 armbraces every 30 seconds.

I also wonder if any Minipets were dupped.

TBH i don't think duping happened. I think it's a lot more realistic that a ton of items were lost then the other way around

Avatar Exico · Feb 22, 2012, 06:49 AM // 06:49

glad this finally got resolved, it was annouying to watch PvP matches and dc. Freak out that all your characters were wiped. I was wondering if create character when all your characters got wiped, wondering if did that lost all your characters that would soo stink.

spun ducky · Feb 22, 2012, 07:18 AM // 07:18

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

We are aware of an exploit being perpetrated by a few players and as a result, we have taken Observer Mode offline. We will re-enable the system once we have ascertained that the exploit is no longer an issue.

Thank you for your reports, and thank you also for your patience as we complete the work we need to do to close the exploit and deal with those who abused it.

P.S. Using an exploit results in account termination.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

If anyone happened to notice someone taunting or threatening other players with this exploit, I’d very much appreciate if you send me their name(s) via Private Message. Please do not post them here. And please be aware that before any action is taken on any account, we will fully verify that person’s involvement.

Thank you.

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

I don’t think we’re ready to talk about who will be banned and who will not be banned. We’ll be looking into this matter over the next couple of days, I’m sure.

But do consider our perspective: Commonly, the first thing that a guilty person says is, “I was just testing it!” Next most common are, “You guys closed it before I had a chance to report” or, of course, “Someone else was on my account.”

I don’t mean to make light of using an exploit. It really is a serious issue for us, and we take it extremely seriously. As of tonight, players have been banned and many more will be banned over the next couple of days. Please give us some time to sort this out.

Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

And please consider this: What would it be like, if everyone who heard “You can crash the server if you do A-B-C” ran out and did it? More importantly, why would you do it? It’s like “Hey, I hear you can get electrocuted if you stick your finger in this socket.” Does anyone “test” that?

If you hear about an exploit, tell us via any means on the contact Support page. (Obviously, you shouldn’t post an exploit in the forums.) At the very least, PM us here, although a ticket or email is preferable.

And please stop speculating on what will happen to those who “tested” the exploit. That matter remains in the hands of ArenaNet and NCsoft, and it doesn’t serve any purpose to use this official forum as a hotbed of speculation and guesswork. I am closing this thread. Please do not start a new one on this or any related subject. Thank you.

So let me translate what is actually going to happen based on the mirage of a public relations employee trying to make punishment sound more severe.

Accounts will be terminated but only if you openly admitted you were doing the crash such as the people doing count downs or demanding ecto to stop.

The reality is they don't know who did it because it may have been a hard crash with no tracing or even worse case scenario if you ban anyone who did it what happens to the people who were tricked into it or who actually tried to watch the HA match.

So the end result is this if you openly admitted to doing it and someone took an ss of you doing such act you have either already been banned or will in the next few days.

TL;DR Version:
They are only going to ban the people who openly admitted to the exploit and got reported.

Gabs88 · Feb 22, 2012, 07:21 AM // 07:21

TBH I think they may end up banning a lot more and then do the complaints later.

PurpleFission · Feb 22, 2012, 07:25 AM // 07:25

Well personally i hope noone gets banned >.>........................

Swingline · Feb 22, 2012, 07:27 AM // 07:27

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Originally Posted by Gabs88

TBH I think they may end up banning a lot more and then do the complaints later.

tbh they shouldn't ban that many because of their shotty programming.

King Size · Feb 22, 2012, 07:36 AM // 07:36

i go to bed early one time and this happens lol

Linksys · Feb 22, 2012, 08:31 AM // 08:31

When I did the crash once, thinking it would only affect me, I went back to the district I was in and found out the whole district got disconnected. I explained it was me and that I didn't know that would happen. I thought the mass disconnections were from some server or observer mode overload or something. I didn't think it was directly triggered by someone going into observer mode. When I found out by asking the district what happened, then I knew and I didn't do it again.

Anyways, for those who purposefully did this, I think a suspension would be better than a ban.

Swingline · Feb 22, 2012, 08:52 AM // 08:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linksys

When I did the crash once, thinking it would only affect me, I went back to the district I was in and found out the whole district got disconnected. I explained it was me and that I didn't know that would happen. I thought the mass disconnections were from some server or observer mode overload or something. I didn't think it was directly triggered by someone going into observer mode. When I found out by asking the district what happened, then I knew and I didn't do it again.

Anyways, for those who purposefully did this, I think a suspension would be better than a ban.

Its not like the servers completely crashed down. All the bug did was disconnect people in towns and after talking with a few people I highly doubt it allowed people to duplicate items. I question how far Anet will go with this since they don't even ban the bots that plague JQ contantly, some of them being there for months and syncers run rampant due to an exploit that the EULA says will result in account termination. All people had to do was press 2 buttons to dc an entire district.

Enchanted Krystal · Feb 22, 2012, 09:16 AM // 09:16

Awesome, I missed the whole thing so I guess I'm safe.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

“Hey, I hear you can get electrocuted if you stick your finger in this socket.” Does anyone “test” that?

Yes, people can be totally stupid so this will always be the "knee jerk reaction". The onus really comes back to the company that made the product, to ensure that if this(or any other possible issue) was to happen there would be no ill effects to the end user. That is what product testing is for, isn't it? I agree with banning people who "exploited" the situation, but Anet has to take some responsibility here, don't they?

Just my 2 cents.

~Andy~