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Ayuhmii Shanbwa · Feb 26, 2012, 07:15 PM // 19:15

i have made a list myself, how GW may be harder, maybe a lil extreme to some, but some others prolly like it, IF they like to use custom ideas, instead of Anet having to force them (like making better rewards in HM and such)

also: i'm NOT trying to tell people to do this instead of giving their opinions in opinion related topics, i just would like to share some ideas, which people may like

here's my list:

only non-max greenies

no heroes, if in mission or quest with hero req. give that hero hench build
from the nearest town/outpost, except for elite skills

no elite skills at all

only use skills you can buy from certain areas without unlocking it
example: no meteor shower in old ascalon
so NO tomes

no runes or any other kind of upgrades (unless its on the weapon already)
so no crafting

dont use storage at all

dont trade with others

once lvl 20, do everything on HM*

*dont do any sidequests until lvl 20, then do them on HM if you want to do them*
dont do primary quests on NM, only on HM, unless you cannot get to lvl 20 without doing them

^^^^
also counts for WiK and WoC (and the maybe-coming elona content)

no pve-only skills

dont buy higher armor than half of the maxed armors

in case you can get headgear without bonus, get that instead

no nicholas farms allowed (due to consumables)

no consumables, not even xp scrolls

ps. some only are for people who wanna create a new char they can have challenges with

i hope some of these fit well, and maybe you'll have more fun with it than "brainless playing" with heroes only, IF you do that mostly

if you have any questions, ask me here and i can explain

ps. i've said this before, but my english isnt very good, so if you dont understand certain parts due to bad english language usage, plz tell me and i'll explain it better if i can

also, i hope this is in the right section, as this probably wont fit in the guides section, its not really a guide how to make the game easier or more playable

if you have some more ideas how to make challenges, you're welcome to add them here

please dont take me wrong, i just wanna show people my ideas of challenges
the topic about the last rit hero available in NM inspired me a bit, but is NOT the reason i do this
the reason is that i think not that many people see how to make challenges on their own (thats what i see, maybe its not true)
so i wanna let people have their own ideas, or use other's ideas to make their challenges

and maybe others have even better ideas, just dont try to make it impossible, like fighting dhuum like this, lol o_O

it took me less than 5 minutes to come up with this all, so maybe someone can improve some parts for any reason

well, have fun with these ideas and maybe even by making your own challenges, if you like to

1 last note i must give: i dont try to offend anyone at all, so plz dont feel offended, its just a new idea (ok, i had this for some years, but now wanna share them)

drkn · Feb 26, 2012, 08:22 PM // 20:22

Hey, but there still are externally given challenges, like HM WoC to complete.
Also, it sounds much like this challenge, except that you haven't postulated retaining zero deaths.

Ayuhmii Shanbwa · Feb 26, 2012, 08:38 PM // 20:38

mine is more about the game itself being harder, so you doing normal stuff, and still making yoiur own challenges, or use other people's ideas to make the game harder/more challenging

its not meant to be like that one

also, my list has several ideas, that other topic is about 1 big challenge, and to group with em

mine is old too btw, i had this kind of stuff in mind so long ago, but when i got more ideas (which you also see here) i decided to put it up here

and mine is "HM only" as soon as possible

and i know WoC is a "challenge" to some, but since some of the "some" find it still easy, i thought to raise the difficulty a lil (or alot if you use all these limits)

this topic wasnt inspired by that topic you mentioned, but i already explained how i got this here

another idea is not to let any human player join, so its just you and henchies, and you having very limited equipment

oh, another idea, lol: whenever you get morale boost, remove it with DP removers, as some remove morale boost o_O

i can make it worse, but maybe some here have other ideas

so ideas are welcome, and if you think half of them are good enough, just try until you're happy with your challenges, or try to use all limits i gave you

Olle · Feb 26, 2012, 08:54 PM // 20:54

Since when did DP removers remove morale? lol

Ayuhmii Shanbwa · Feb 26, 2012, 08:56 PM // 20:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Olle

Since when did DP removers remove morale? lol

i've done it once, with that candy cane i think it was

Dayquil · Feb 26, 2012, 10:56 PM // 22:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by drkn

Also, it sounds much like this challenge, except that you haven't postulated retaining zero deaths.

Yeah, this is looking just a LITTLE much like my thread/idea. You said you've had this idea for a few years, yet you're only just now posting this, the day after mine has been moved? Just seems shady to me.

Chaos Theory Pvp · Feb 26, 2012, 11:49 PM // 23:49

It's always good to challenge yourself in game, I completed the whole of prophecies with hench only except one mission where you require 2 carriers of an item.

I recently completed EoTn and refused to use any cons or dp removers.

StormDragonZ · Feb 27, 2012, 06:28 AM // 06:28

I've always wanted to try a "Class Confusion" run of beating the 3 campaigns & EotN.

Simply put, you make a character, but never use skills based on the primary. For example, play as a Warrior, but don't use any Warrior skills at all.

Blackbirdx61 · Feb 27, 2012, 07:15 AM // 07:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by StormDragonZ

I've always wanted to try a "Class Confusion" run of beating the 3 campaigns & EotN.

Simply put, you make a character, but never use skills based on the primary. For example, play as a Warrior, but don't use any Warrior skills at all.

LOL you should see my skill bar.

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I basically run Claudia as an Armored Elm, I even use a sword for a Range finder for Lava Fonts or Double Dragon. ... I think I'm running your experiment. BB.

Master Archer Nente · Feb 27, 2012, 07:31 AM // 07:31

I love this. I'm suggesting it to my close Guild Wars buddies right now. Sounds like a lot of fun and may bring back some old memories from 6 years ago. (The no hero thing etc)

Not A Standard Name · Feb 27, 2012, 07:34 AM // 07:34

Challenges are good, but it must be possible. Like you mentioned WoC, but I'd really like to see you do it this way.

Ayuhmii Shanbwa · Feb 27, 2012, 09:09 AM // 09:09

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Originally Posted by Not A Standard Name

Challenges are good, but it must be possible. Like you mentioned WoC, but I'd really like to see you do it this way.

again: this thread is to let people, especially those who think everything in GW is too hard (so even WoC), get some more limits, to have a challenge, i'm not saying i'd do it, just giving ideas

and again: this is just listing seperate (unless you use all in 1 challenge) ideas of making GW harder

and again: i came up with this idea after reading about people finding WoC HM easy, NOT after reading that other topic (i didnt even think about that one at the time, lol)

i could've made it years ago, but maybe people werent as bored in GW as alot of em i saw, are now
so now it may be good timing for people to make and use challenges

i just made it cuz i saw too many "meh, still not hard enough" comments/posts

enter_the_zone · Feb 27, 2012, 12:22 PM // 12:22

You'll always see a load of "meh, still not hard enough" comments.

Some of them are just people trolling, the rest are from people to whom the game mechanics have basically become second nature and it would be virtually impossible for the game to beat them in any content that also has to be completed by normal people without some major changes to the way the game works (not skills, underlying mechanics)... and even then, they'd probably flatten it the minute they figured out how the change works.

Ayuhmii Shanbwa · Feb 27, 2012, 03:36 PM // 15:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by enter_the_zone

You'll always see a load of "meh, still not hard enough" comments.

Some of them are just people trolling, the rest are from people to whom the game mechanics have basically become second nature and it would be virtually impossible for the game to beat them in any content that also has to be completed by normal people without some major changes to the way the game works (not skills, underlying mechanics)... and even then, they'd probably flatten it the minute they figured out how the change works.

first part is true, but if people would read these challenges, and see some they havent tried yet, they could try again with those
and maybe cuz of this topic, they make more ideas themselves to try, so they wont get bored (unless they are bored cuz they ahve seen everything already)

its not like i say: dont complain if you dont even try these
i just like to show people what they can do, and as i said before: more ideas are welcome

must say i'm disappointed i see no more ideas for a challenge

tbh, i think the 2 parts "only use hench" + "everything on HM" would do alot already, then add "no elites" and "no pve only skills" and its already a harder game
some smaller things like "non-max greenies only" and "half of max armor" (ok, not that small) will really make it challenging

if i imagine doing WoC this way, i shake all over

so, more ideas to add?

Man W/ Club · Feb 28, 2012, 03:36 AM // 03:36

umm howbout PvP? Isn't that where you compete with other players?

any fool can grind. not every fool can truly compete

Lanier · Feb 28, 2012, 04:04 AM // 04:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Man W/ Club

umm howbout PvP? Isn't that where you compete with other players?

any fool can grind. not every fool can truly compete

I think its pretty obvious from prior posts that the point of this thread is to discuss PvE challenges.

Wenspire · Feb 28, 2012, 07:15 PM // 19:15

Complete a difficult dungeon or elite area in HM without using minions.

Omar Charrbane · Feb 28, 2012, 08:25 PM // 20:25

Wear Old Ascalon Starter armor,
never interact with players for trade purposes
never pay for skills(unlock all through gameplay/cap only pay for signet of cap)
never micro-manage heroes, only flag

And that's not even challenging myself, that's just me being neurotic.

Ayuhmii Shanbwa · Feb 28, 2012, 09:51 PM // 21:51

oh, 1 small challenge, in case you want vqs a bit harder:

keep 1 wanted and dont take the quest which reverts cantha when vqing, so WiK and WoC enemies will spawn

i know WiK isnt that much of a problem, but isnt like the much easier normal proph, and WoC spawns are more bother, i bet