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Pulsedriver · Aug 08, 2014, 08:50 AM // 08:50

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Originally Posted by Oo D A W N

if they keep the shop like it is they could use the slogan "the only f2p game where you really dont have to spent a cent". it would be not a buggy pay to win like all others....

That would be great, but changing in a F2P format leaving the shop as it is will probably decrease the incoming money.
Still, I think we are talking about nothing: I highly doubt our opinions will be considered by Anet.

Nekodesu · Aug 08, 2014, 01:30 PM // 13:30

GW2 is big enough and makes enough money for them to sustain GW even if it doesn't generate much profit. If I remember correctly, GW uses a "fraction" of what GW2 does. Money wise there's no problem for them to make it F2P.

Aikiko Kuwahari · Aug 08, 2014, 03:17 PM // 15:17

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Originally Posted by Nekodesu

Money wise there's no problem for them to make it F2P.

As in current state, Guild Wars going F2P could only *multiply* bot count by hundreds, maybe thousands or tens of thousands. You really don't want that to happen. Like there's not enough bots f***ing up things already.

But I definitely agree that something should be done to that bot famine/plague/what-ever-you-wish-to-call-it.

Perkunas · Aug 08, 2014, 11:18 PM // 23:18

It would seem that to make it f2p, just extend the time to "Try it for free". Not sure what the current time limit is,(10 hrs?) but what would prevent them from extending it enough to get people "hooked". I currently have a 10 hour old character in presearing. Give enough time to reach the desert? Say, approx 30 minutes per mission and a few minutes per primary quest. That should be enough to "wet some appetites."

**cosyfiep** · Aug 08, 2014, 11:32 PM // 23:32

a month for free would be good and enough time to get hooked....so if you figure 3 hours a day for 30 days....so 90 hours or 30 days.

Bristlebane · Aug 09, 2014, 07:52 AM // 07:52

To limit bots from abusing free accounts, you'd have to put in some limits:
1. Bot swarms rely on trades, and transfer of goods between them. By limit trades to only receive items, and making items undroppable, free accounts are less desireable for a bot.
2. To stop gold sellers, also block party search and perhaps also public speech in Kamadan, Lion's Arch, and Kaineng City.

It should make free accounts less desirable for bots while still allow humans to play.
And if Anet really want these free players to eventually pay up, they could limit accounts to Normal Mode only.
Possibly allow trades after a certain game achievement, like Protector title in at least one campaign.

MayISing · Aug 19, 2014, 04:56 AM // 04:56

I read this entire post, and there were a lot of good points and a lot of mixed emotions. But I had to add something.

It could be like the old days, we could have fun and talk on TS and make funny jokes while we mindlessly go through all of the campaigns. How? Take all of the players that posted in this threat and play together. Make a guild of dedicated players. Serious.

Then invite me.

K A O S Theory · Aug 19, 2014, 06:57 PM // 18:57

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Originally Posted by Bristlebane

To limit bots from abusing free accounts, you'd have to put in some limits:

Hmmmm... ok

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Originally Posted by Bristlebane

1. Bot swarms rely on trades, and transfer of goods between them. By limit trades to only receive items, and making items undroppable, free accounts are less desireable for a bot.

If you do this there will be no game market. Isn't that the reason to get rid of bots anyways?

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Originally Posted by Bristlebane

2. To stop gold sellers, also block party search and perhaps also public speech in Kamadan, Lion's Arch, and Kaineng City.

You cant just block all communication in the most active areas of the game. That's like when they disabled whispering entirely in ESO.

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Originally Posted by Bristlebane

And if Anet really want these free players to eventually pay up, they could limit accounts to Normal Mode only.
Possibly allow trades after a certain game achievement, like Protector title in at least one campaign.

They will just make bots that will obtain protector or whatever other title you need on that account.

If this game goes free to play with the type of protection it has now, you are signing its death warrant no matter what type of limitations you produce, I can promise that.

Bristlebane · Aug 19, 2014, 07:04 PM // 19:04

K A O S.. (nice youtube videos by the way, watched your canthan runs)

I'm talking about the free accounts. There have to be some way to stop bots creating 1000's of accounts only to spam trades. Sadly this would affect the free players too. They would be able to play normally, party, gain heroes etc. They wouldn't be able to trade.

Purchased accounts would have no such limit.

K A O S Theory · Aug 19, 2014, 07:18 PM // 19:18

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Originally Posted by Bristlebane

K A O S.. (nice youtube videos by the way, watched your canthan runs)

I'm talking about the free accounts. There have to be some way to stop bots creating 1000's of accounts only to spam trades. Sadly this would affect the free players too. They would be able to play normally, party, gain heroes etc. They wouldn't be able to trade.

Purchased accounts would have no such limit.

Alright I would get behind that. And thanks for watching my videos xD

What next, wed be bringing a new wave of players to the state of the game currently. I wouldn't want to go into a game knowing its controlled by botters. What can we do to fix that?

Bristlebane · Aug 19, 2014, 07:26 PM // 19:26

That's the only thing I can think of. Botters rely on
1. Public speech, Trade and Party Search.
2. Trading between players and other bot accounts.

Putting a limit on that would hit free players but they would otherwise be able to play the game normally. They do get a free game to play, and there's plenty to do for them beside trading. Possibly adding some game of ingame achievement that's cumbersome for botters but doable for a player. Like getting 10-20 HoM points.

K A O S Theory · Aug 19, 2014, 07:33 PM // 19:33

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Originally Posted by Bristlebane

That's the only thing I can think of. Botters rely on
1. Public speech, Trade and Party Search.
2. Trading between players and other bot accounts.

Putting a limit on that would hit free players but they would otherwise be able to play the game normally. They do get a free game to play, and there's plenty to do for them beside trading. Possibly adding some game of ingame achievement that's cumbersome for botters but doable for a player. Like getting 10-20 HoM points.

Oh i agree, that will take away the problem of f2p causing a massive botwave.

But the game is paid, and botters are already a major issue.

Nekodesu · Aug 19, 2014, 07:51 PM // 19:51

The way they would have to stop bots is to actually care about their game and get rid of them instead of pushing lots of penalty stuff on new people.

Guy Incognito · Aug 19, 2014, 08:01 PM // 20:01

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Originally Posted by MayISing

I read this entire post, and there were a lot of good points and a lot of mixed emotions. But I had to add something.

It could be like the old days, we could have fun and talk on TS and make funny jokes while we mindlessly go through all of the campaigns. How? Take all of the players that posted in this threat and play together. Make a guild of dedicated players. Serious.

Then invite me.

Might be pretty cool actually, a GWGuru super guild.

Bristlebane · Aug 19, 2014, 08:23 PM // 20:23

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Originally Posted by Guy Incognito

Might be pretty cool actually, a GWGuru super guild.

Might be too difficult to get everyone in one guild.
How about a pseudo guild. Make a website (or a guru group) where you can do almost anything a guild can do, without sharing cape.

**cosyfiep** · Aug 20, 2014, 12:43 AM // 00:43

and some of us dont want to leave our guilds (I am the leader of mine and have been part of it since 2005).....there is always alliances. (though I dont pvp, or you dont want a real noob pvp player like me playing for you).

Bristlebane · Aug 20, 2014, 06:46 AM // 06:46

I think they were talking about pve, not pvp?

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Originally Posted by MayISing

[...]while we mindlessly go through all of the campaigns.

MayISing · Aug 20, 2014, 02:12 PM // 14:12

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Originally Posted by cosyfiep

and some of us dont want to leave our guilds (I am the leader of mine and have been part of it since 2005).....there is always alliances. (though I dont pvp, or you dont want a real noob pvp player like me playing for you).

Wow guys, this was just a suggestion to actually have fun like the old days! I am not trying to drag you out of your guild. Although an alliance of dedicated players would be AWESOME - don't mind me!

**cosyfiep** · Aug 20, 2014, 03:52 PM // 15:52

an alliance would be great. (I know you arent trying to de-guild me, just giving reasons why peeps may not want to join another guild etc.)

I know there are tons of people still playing and we should try to get together and do stuff--we have gotten a few together on some occasions, and we should do it again.

Bristlebane · Aug 21, 2014, 06:49 PM // 18:49

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Originally Posted by cosyfiep

[...] and we should do it again.

But who would lead this time?
I suggest no pure "crawl" like last time, maybe more freely depending on what people want, Nick, or any daily ZM/ZQ.