Curse

Sardaukar · Feb 01, 2015, 11:52 PM // 23:52

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Originally Posted by cosyfiep

you could still be seen as 'botting' since you are probably not moving those other accounts around while actively doing the quest with one (or two) of them. So you log on with account one (who will be doing the quest), and accounts 2-4 are also logged in and just sit at the start of where ever....at the end of the quest you either have one of them move back into the outpost or resign? Those alt accounts could be easily taken at bots since they are doing the same activity the whole time. Rinse and repeat with more characters/accounts....then you are really looking like a bot! And if you are getting a run, you are really not doing any keyboard or mouse work so ---you are a bot!!!!

At which point in time load of folks are going to be considered bots and banned for it. Then good luck trying to PROVE to anet that you are NOT botting. (you are the one that will have to do the proving, they have already convicted you and executed sentencing).
(see where this is going?)

So dont use alt accounts for anything other than transferring funds, never play on more than one account at a time--you are botting then since you can not possibly work more than one computer at a time!! (and as the banner said, there is NO legitimate reason to have more than one account anyways).

so yes, Max --the rest of you are all doomed if you have more than one account.

I see what you're saying, but when they look at the actions of the accounts they would see a discrepancy in the actions of the accounts. Pathing, time between actions etc. All of which would point to a human player. Automation is what gives bots away. The whole tombs debacle with bots farming the first floor for example. Same thing time after time.

If you analyzed my runs, you'd see all sorts of differences between runs. My resigning before accepting all rewards (oops), time difference in toggling between stances or even forgetting to keep them up for a moment, forgetting to click on my name by one of the mules and having to run back etc. No two runs would be exactly the same.

What sucks is, I don't have access to that info. So Anet could just say I'm guilty, choose to ignore any plea for evidence and that's it. They're the witnesses and judge. No cross-examination possible. All I can hope for now is some transparency on their part or a better explanation of what I may have done to deserve this if at all.

I appreciate the feedback though, it gives me more to think about. Thanks!

**cosyfiep** · Feb 02, 2015, 12:13 AM // 00:13

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Originally Posted by Sardaukar

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What sucks is, I don't have access to that info. So Anet could just say I'm guilty, choose to ignore any plea for evidence and that's it. They're the witnesses and judge. No cross-examination possible. All I can hope for now is some transparency on their part or a better explanation of what I may have done to deserve this if at all.

I appreciate the feedback though, it gives me more to think about. Thanks!

+like.
since they have put you down as a bot, you have very little chance of even having a review (since the person who flagged you can not have possibly have been wrong!) and they say they wont even bother reviewing some of them since they have the proof that says you are--no appealling it!

So you can only hope that a sympathetic person gets your ticket and decides to really look into it and find that you really were NOT a bot (but really as I mentioned before the guy banning us says there is no reason to have alt accounts other than for the wrong reasons!)
My hopes are not very high

Sardaukar · Feb 02, 2015, 01:03 AM // 01:03

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Originally Posted by cosyfiep

+like.
since they have put you down as a bot, you have very little chance of even having a review (since the person who flagged you can not have possibly have been wrong!) and they say they wont even bother reviewing some of them since they have the proof that says you are--no appealling it!

So you can only hope that a sympathetic person gets your ticket and decides to really look into it and find that you really were NOT a bot (but really as I mentioned before the guy banning us says there is no reason to have alt accounts other than for the wrong reasons!)
My hopes are not very high

I have to wonder if the person who did the banning has even played this game and for how long. You amass a lot of stuff playing it at a more "hardcore" level.

I ran out of room fairly quickly with just 1 tab in my chest. Even after buying expansions and getting more tabs, it wasn't enough. Even after the anniversary tab and buying 4 more tabs, I still needed room.

So my main account has extra chars filled with booze, party stuff, and sweets. Then I have chars filled with clovers, misc. cons, tonics, zcoins, runes, trophies and more.

My second has chars of each profession that hold runes for that profession. I have 5 chars that hold 5 of every kind of inscription in the game.

My third has chars of each profession to hold elite armor and weapons.

My fourth has chars of each profession to hold green and gold weapons.

My fifth has trophies that drop as I play, so that I can have a head start on what Nick might want.

It's not hard to accumulate a lot of stuff playing this game and I admit to being a bit of a hoarder so that I can make weapons for specific needs or for my heroes.

And there's more, much more that was gotten though hard work without ever using GWx2.

All on hold for the moment and possibly gone for good.

**cosyfiep** · Feb 02, 2015, 02:18 AM // 02:18

I understand...I am a hoarder as well....but I also like to make characters....I had a full account of characters (max 35) and then my alt accounts had 8 or 9 each as well, some were just mules (material storage, minipet storage--cant seem to delete them, tonic storage, etc)....so yeah, I filled my main quickly as well as 2 other accounts. The ones I have left are minipet storage and trophies/quest item storage...guess I could delete some of those minis now.
I also like to play the quests/missions again with different character--with soo many skills to pick from none of my eles even had the same skill set up!
and yep all on hold/gone.

Title Points R Us · Feb 02, 2015, 03:40 AM // 03:40

Same here. Being a merchant in post & pre I bought toons full of items when they were cheap to resell at a later date. I continually was turning over my wealth to make more wealth. it's how I became so rich. I had my Panda & Polar ect in post 2500BDs, Zhed, Naga,Shiro'ken, Grawl in pre lol I took a chance & got caught that's the way she goes. I had run out room on 17 acc every toon was full lol

Toxon · Feb 02, 2015, 05:47 AM // 05:47

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Originally Posted by Darcy

I have never been blocked so I don't have any specific answer to offer.
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You might need to join the guildwars2 forum for that contact. She has a thread where you post your ticket number & info for unresolved issues.

Thank you for telling Galie Gray for final resort. This really additional useful infor for me no doubt.

Age · Feb 02, 2015, 10:40 PM // 22:40

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Originally Posted by FLINT IS GONE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ITquW_unkI

It this Kid who hasn't nor will figure the game out.There were these type griefers back in the hey day.I haven't gotten an e-mail saying other wise about bans.

Don't forget to tell them if you used the online store and if you don't have your cd keys handy give them the last 4 digits of your cc.

It would be nice to get Gaile would come back on here to clarify this up as to running GWx2 and texmod as those programs were allowed in the past.

Toxon · Feb 03, 2015, 12:06 AM // 00:06

Anybody got a reply from the support team so far?
Or even
Anybody got an unban？
My email has no response for 4 days now.

**cosyfiep** · Feb 03, 2015, 12:17 AM // 00:17

no replies...but looking at the 7 days and older thread (https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/foru...Part-2/page/37) and knowing what my ticket # is...they havent gotten even up to the first group they banned...it will be a long time before they catch up.

Age · Feb 03, 2015, 01:04 AM // 01:04

Now this has got me Paranoid whether to log in or not.They better be able to turn on account restore if there any missing items.

**cosyfiep** · Feb 03, 2015, 01:13 AM // 01:13

account restore has been gone for sometime now--and they said they have no plans to fix it either...so no hope for any 'lost items'.

eskerod · Feb 03, 2015, 07:09 AM // 07:09

I always use Texmod when i log in to GW - and still using it. Multilaunch i have used for vq areas with 2 acc at the same time - and ofc trading/moving stuff from one acc to the other.
And nothing else - no ban for me (not yet though

).

I still use Texmod and multilaunch - and if I get banned for that - its ok with me, because i dont think its "cheating" ...

ACWhammy · Feb 03, 2015, 01:26 PM // 13:26

Here's a new question to ponder:

Could having a mouse with buttons on it that activate your skills be considered a third-party program?

They say it's ok to re-assign buttons for your skills, but I wonder if it flags the account somehow?

Roger Brownthorn · Feb 03, 2015, 02:52 PM // 14:52

There is no client side anti cheat system in GW1 or GW2, they detect repeating patterns server side, like movement to a certain coordinate over and over. The reason for ban is most likely trading duped items or trading to a flagged account (gold sellers), running same missions over and over like the snowman mission, anything that makes you look like a bot.

rovon · Feb 03, 2015, 03:15 PM // 15:15

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The reason for ban is most likely trading duped items or trading to a flagged account (gold sellers), running same missions over and over like the snowman mission, anything that makes you look like a bot.

Surely if this was true, anyone who repeatedly farmed the same area would be flagged as a bot?

MaxBorken · Feb 03, 2015, 03:29 PM // 15:29

If everyone who traded with a flagged account was banned, there would be far more people banned. I know for a fact that I have traded (legitimately) with people who have been banned. As a trader, I will have traded with many hundreds of people over the years.

The very nature of trading items to generate money to fund my collection means that I will have had trade windows open and completed sales with many people who are now banned. And I'm still here....

Max

ruk1a · Feb 03, 2015, 04:08 PM // 16:08

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Originally Posted by MaxBorken

Then we're all doooooomed

Dhuuuuuuumd*

Sardaukar · Feb 03, 2015, 05:35 PM // 17:35

Stumbled across this newer(?) caveat to dual boxing, which I'd assume would apply to GWx2.

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/foru...st#post1532762

"Dual- or Multi-Boxing

1.You may use more than one account at the same time.
2.You may use more than one computer at the same time.
3.You must be actively playing on each account."

So what's the difference between a Gloom runner before the SF nerf running a party of 6 through that area and a person doing it with other accounts of their own?

In both cases, one account, the runner, is doing the work while the others are pretty much idle or even afk.

You can just dismiss this by saying it can't be done anymore, but I just got an Urgoz run last week and I didn't do anything but die with 6 other people and watch the runner. And Gloom can still be run, solo now, so that's a party of 7 there as well.

I'm wondering at this point why they allowed any 3rd party programs to be used in the first place. If they can't handle the ramifications of such decisions, the greyish nuances that such decisions inevitably bring up, then why didn't they just make it black and white and bar all such programs?

I'm not really looking for an answer. Corporate mentality is linear at best. /sigh

Thanks for the support and comments guys. It's making things easier.

Whether to but GW2:HoT though. I'm having a hard time seeing myself throw more money at a company that can be so negligent. Maybe a response to my ticket will give me an answer.

Lord Asakurra · Feb 03, 2015, 06:00 PM // 18:00

So has anyone had any luck with Anet's "clean slate" policy?

A couple of snippets from Gaile Gray's page on the wiki (http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User:...ot_Ban_Details)

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I only used TexMod or another third-party program that ArenaNet has approved. Why was I banned?
It’s important to note that ArenaNet does not approve any third-party programs. The use of any third-party program in conjunction with Guild Wars is not advised or endorsed and is always expressly at the player's own risk. Players know that we have not targeted "benign" software—the kind that does not give a player any sort of in-game advantage—and that we have no intentions of doing so in the future. Further, we can make it clear that we do not believe it is in our interest to specifically target the users of software of this sort. But that's as far as our reassurances can go. We simply cannot make any promises that any third-party software, no matter its current claims or past history, is 100% safe. The best, safest course of action players can take is to not use any third-party programs that interact with Guild Wars in any way.

On the GWML, GWx2, and Texmod issue, I DO believe they were lenient on the use of those programs WHEN THEY HAD AMPLE STAFF TO MONITOR SAID PROGRAMS. However, due to the lack of effort on their parts, it seems like they had 1 guy go through and flag any sort of client modification and HWID ban anybody who was flagged for any sort of third party software/modification. Now, I HIGHLY doubt anybody here has never used GWML, GWx2, or Texmod. The problem is, I don't think they even care to expend the resources past this permanent banning as the EULA clearly states that they DO NOT support third party modifications and you should use them at your own risk. Looking back with 20/20 hindsight, I find it unwise to listen to Gaile Gray as this is clearly a typical ArenaNet going around something their community liaison has stated.

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Can I make a new account? Will I be banned if I purchase and create a whole new account?
Our general policy is that those making a new account are considered to have "a clean slate." We will not close such an account as long as it is not involved in breaches of the User Agreement or the Rules of Conduct. If you believe your account was closed in error, please contact Guild Wars Support as soon as possible so that your account can be reviewed and, hopefully, reinstated right away.

I've heard of some people buying new accounts through the store and getting banned again...Seems like Shazbawt is exploiting his authority over a dead game... Again, another typical ArenaNet move going around something they approved Gaile Gray to state on THEIR OWN WEBSITE.

The problem is not people being banned. The problem is ArenaNet is clearly going back on their words about certain issues and we NEED to hold them accountable for it. Instead of us all working solo on getting our issues with ArenaNet resolved, why don't we band together and fight them on this? Let's show them that this game is NOT dead and that they still have customers willing to put money into it!

**cosyfiep** · Feb 03, 2015, 06:16 PM // 18:16

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Originally Posted by rovon

Surely if this was true, anyone who repeatedly farmed the same area would be flagged as a bot?

and trading to gold sellers/duping would also be a different code for the ban not botting/3rd party programs.

and

yes, what is the difference between someone running someone thru a dungeon where the first thing they say is 'bring a vampiric weapon' so you die when walking thru the first gate....or others who have been afk the whole time while the runner does whatever as opposed to you running more than one of your accounts to do say a dungeon or quest? In the first you do the exact same thing (possibly nothing--no keyboard since you might be afk!----are you A BOT??) in the second you might do nothing as well each time. (what is the difference between this and the old death leveling in pre--you are afk they whole time therefor NOT hitting ANY keys! for hours---its that botting???)

as for trading.

unless they are going to ban my last 2 accounts---I have traded plenty of times with my self over the past bunch of years....only 4 are banned 2 are not. (and since it took them 2+ weeks to do the 2nd set of banning...perhaps there is more yet to come...) and my husbands account is still working as well, and we traded just the day or 2 before my bans.