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Surge goes pre · Apr 17, 2015, 09:07 PM // 21:07

Edit: deleted my post. This discussion doesn't need to be had here.

Smoke Nightvogue · Apr 18, 2015, 03:07 AM // 03:07

Returning back to the initial post: the problem, when it comes to a project which is as old as the original Guild Wars, is that basically, you're getting what you've asked / or didn't ask for (and if you didn't, you're obviously not gonna get it).

In my opinion, discussing the minis distribution while knowing that half of the previously-available PvP areas can hardly be considered functional, is a little bit out of place, at least until these things get fixed, freeing up some space for cosmetic changes.

Still, it's interesting to find out what most of us want, or otherwise.

**cosyfiep** · Apr 18, 2015, 03:20 AM // 03:20

I think we are thinking of things that can be easily done, not things that will take a major overhaul to get done --implementing the minis is easy since they are already ingame and just need to be put out there again, fixing pvp stuff, well no idea what that would encompass, though it would be nice if they made some of the pvp only weapons skins available!

Smoke Nightvogue · Apr 18, 2015, 04:58 AM // 04:58

Fixing the PvP stuff would mean re-enabling the Heroes at it, and then, bettering the existing mechanics of the regular (non-AT) GvG, CA, AB, JQ & FA by allowing up to 6 Heroes within the regular GvGs, up to 3 per party in CA & AB, as well as setting up something similar for FA (probably 2 parties with up to 3 Heroes in each) & JQ (last time I checked, my thought was that it requires a solution close to 4 groups of 2 players with the ability to substitute every second participant with a Hero, though it could be the same as for FA, too).

There's no thing which would help ArenaNet to attract an extra GW1 auditory better than a properly-operational game, which many of its fans could stream, participate in tournaments for, and so on...

As for your idea of making the PvP skins available in PvE, I'm not sure they've still got enough staff members responsible for the project to do both items design & titles localization, despite the fact I see nothing wrong with this kind of proposals personally.

Surge goes pre · Apr 18, 2015, 06:47 AM // 06:47

I have a solution for pvp: remove it all. The only people that do HA are syncers. The only people that do Codex are syncers. Like 10 people play RA and the rest sync. And with gvg like 1 guild is even legit now, it's mostly syncers and rupt bots.

Just remove it all. It's all dead and being cheated at.

MaxBorken · Apr 18, 2015, 07:06 AM // 07:06

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Originally Posted by Surge goes pre

I have a solution for pvp: remove it all. The only people that do HA are syncers. The only people that do Codex are syncers. Like 10 people play RA and the rest sync. And with gvg like 1 guild is even legit now, it's mostly syncers and rupt bots.

Just remove it all. It's all dead and being cheated at.

^ This. All the way.

Max

Pleikki · Apr 18, 2015, 07:37 AM // 07:37

I dont have my hopes up for anything. Someting they did back in day even again would be great like the size changes gender changes what ever.
But if i could wish for anything. Id want em to re release anything nerfed or limited back in gw to everyones access!
Stop the elitism! Then left rare would be leaved only the actually rare items that still could be dropped and accessed by everyone! (Ie. some q8 items!)

Zephyr of Light · Apr 18, 2015, 08:08 AM // 08:08

Pvp is dead and we all know it, but closing it down as anniversary gift would most likely not be recieved well too the community.
Neither i want too ask for the impossible that with their capacity would be undoable within a weeks time.
I dont have my hopes up that they even remotely look at this thread or listen too their community speaking up at them.

Although for the sake of why we would still be around year after year (insert personal reason here), is because (i)we have a silent hope for something too happen while we suppress our expectations that wont be harmed if once again they come up with a bowl full of nothingness.

We basicly say now that since we dont expect anything, it would be okay for them too come up with nothing once again, because it "always" has been that way, which is very wrong.

And you see what happens now, they shove up a dragons festival in our *** because we allow them too do so.
What can we do, let it rest?
Or demand something that should be worth even the slightest time investment we gave them.

Smoke Nightvogue · Apr 18, 2015, 08:32 AM // 08:32

So, PvE is the only right and truly legit thing to stick with, despite the existence of botting websites? Thanks, I had a good laugh for the rest of the day.

Zephyr of Light · Apr 18, 2015, 09:17 AM // 09:17

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Originally Posted by Smoke Nightvogue

So, PvE is the only right and truly legit thing to stick with, , despite the existence of botting websites? Thanks, I had a good laugh for the rest of the day

Have you heard me say any of that?
Its not about PvE nor about PvP.
Its about Anets interest doing something for the players (and anyone between those lines of "playing") too do something nice for us.
Thats the reason of this thread, and not a stage for you to shimmer through you're "suspicious" activities because you aparantly have nothing left too care about.
I know people and friends who went that way and thats their own choice, just dont come here with a IDGAF attitude because you simply dont have you're best interest for other people regarding this event.

I dont this only for myself you know.

MaxBorken · Apr 18, 2015, 09:21 AM // 09:21

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Originally Posted by Smoke Nightvogue

So, PvE is the only right and truly legit thing to stick with, despite the existence of botting websites? Thanks, I had a good laugh for the rest of the day.

You mean the open source forum where botters trade and create more bots? Or the section of the same website that promotes real money transfer trades?

What about that site is 'the only right and truly legit thing to stick with'? It's a breeding ground for cheaters. Where do you think certain players got the bots for synching so they always have a stock of 20,000 z-keys, or a selection of crystalline swords constantly available? PvP is the reason the botters keep going. Bin it now, I say. It's got a terminal disease.

Max

Smoke Nightvogue · Apr 18, 2015, 09:36 AM // 09:36

It's turning even funnier now, reading all this in reply to what was written for Surge, in a rather abstracted (notice the absence of his nickname) way... well, I don't know what to say, except that someone could try to lower the degree of the local virtual reality perception, starting with realization that if something gets added after one's post, it's not necessarily addressed to that poster.

P.S. The only thing I meant is that both PvP and PvE are absolutely equal in terms of how seriously the negative factors of unfair play affected them, Max. And still, it's not granting green lights for the removal of any of the existing in-game features, even if Surge's point was an actual opinion and not some kind of sarcastic note, backed up by an understanding such things will never happen.

**cosyfiep** · Apr 18, 2015, 02:42 PM // 14:42

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Originally Posted by Zephyr of Light

Pvp is dead and we all know it, but closing it down as anniversary gift would most likely not be recieved well too the community.
Neither i want too ask for the impossible that with their capacity would be undoable within a weeks time.
I dont have my hopes up that they even remotely look at this thread or listen too their community speaking up at them.

Although for the sake of why we would still be around year after year (insert personal reason here), is because (i)we have a silent hope for something too happen while we suppress our expectations that wont be harmed if once again they come up with a bowl full of nothingness.

We basicly say now that since we dont expect anything, it would be okay for them too come up with nothing once again, because it "always" has been that way, which is very wrong.

And you see what happens now, they shove up a dragons festival in our *** because we allow them too do so.
What can we do, let it rest?
Or demand something that should be worth even the slightest time investment we gave them.

yes, we have been complacent for too long, but they dont even hear us any longer either...(hence the basic total removal of anything remotely called support). I think they just hope that we all decide to quit so they can shut this down (remember our last big thread we kept pointing at this being a reason to stop doing x y or z for the game?)

Would be nice if they really did something more than fix a bug or two for us. Fixing pvp would be nice, fixing pve would be nice too. Doing something for either would be great (though the other folks would complain, but....). Doing nothing, well, thats just a big ole slap in the .....face

Zephyr of Light · Apr 18, 2015, 02:47 PM // 14:47

On this note i'd like too request the help of anyone that has access too the guildwars 2 forums too bring up this matter to their attention.
Its unacceptable towards the community that when they give a "party" only GW2 benefits from it with new content, skins and mini events.
While their first game who made this happen in the first gets rejected without any presents given too him.
He gets the cake from last year. #Logic

jayson · Apr 18, 2015, 03:21 PM // 15:21

I was hoping to see a few things added for the 10th anniversary considering it's a pretty big deal imo.

Something to do with Nightfall and the whereabouts of Evennia, updates that were planned but not completed and anything else along those lines. Even one of those would've been nice. I stopped playing about a month or so ago now and figured I might start up again if there was something small to play for during the 10th. Guess I'll just stay away for now.

Ayuhmii Shanbwa · Apr 18, 2015, 09:43 PM // 21:43

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Originally Posted by cosyfiep

it would be nice if they made some of the pvp only weapons skins available!

this!! if we cant get bigger stuff than this, then do this only
and maybe something like all event drops and triple the drop rate, or something like that

maybe also all week events in 1

GW will be 10 years old only once!!!

*lemming* · Apr 19, 2015, 01:35 AM // 01:35

GvG is pretty fun.

Zahr Dalsk · Apr 19, 2015, 02:00 AM // 02:00

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Originally Posted by Surge goes pre

I have a solution for pvp: remove it all. The only people that do HA are syncers. The only people that do Codex are syncers. Like 10 people play RA and the rest sync. And with gvg like 1 guild is even legit now, it's mostly syncers and rupt bots.

Just remove it all. It's all dead and being cheated at.

I have a better idea, just REMOVE THE REWARDS from it.

PvP was at its best when people played it for the sake of combat, knowing they would get no real reward (well, Balthazar faction, but that was really just to facilitate more combat). HA always had problems with tryhards who couldn't tolerate the possibility of experimentation or (gasp!) failure because it would mean missing the chest and delaying their fancy emote. Ditch it all. Ditch the rewards, ditch the titles, ditch the fancy emotes.

And then maybe make it free to play. Done.

K A O S Theory · Apr 19, 2015, 05:00 AM // 05:00

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

I have a better idea, just REMOVE THE REWARDS from it.

PvP was at its best when people played it for the sake of combat, knowing they would get no real reward (well, Balthazar faction, but that was really just to facilitate more combat). HA always had problems with tryhards who couldn't tolerate the possibility of experimentation or (gasp!) failure because it would mean missing the chest and delaying their fancy emote. Ditch it all. Ditch the rewards, ditch the titles, ditch the fancy emotes.

8/8 gr8 deb8 m8

i would /agree to this... if arena-net wanted to put any sort of effort in coding out some major titles that kinda account for the 3 point pvp achievement, plus multiple honor statues in Hall of Monuments which will kinda throw off the balance of their account linkage rewards of their precious gw2 baby :/

anyone in a family knows you never hurt teh baby, and you gotta make sure it sees that everything is bright and sunny, just gotta make sure it doesn't see that papa gw1 has a major meth addiction and needs some rehab...

Smoke Nightvogue · Apr 19, 2015, 10:51 AM // 10:51

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Originally Posted by Zephyr of Light

On this note i'd like too request the help of anyone that has access too the guildwars 2 forums too bring up this matter to their attention.

The Guild Wars 2 forums and the Support and Development teams residing at it are not directly involved with Guild Wars 1 updates, unfortunately. So far, the original Guild Wars has got about only a few devs left who can "press the magical button" and release an update for us, based on provided feedback. However, I've noticed multiple times that people are choosing a wrong place to facilitate discussions about it, the right one would be this.

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Originally Posted by lemming

GvG is pretty fun.

It used to be, back to... 2009?

I've stopped actively logging into the game by the autumn of 2008 back to these days, though I assume at the time I named, it was still fun.

Not to mention there's no such thing as playable regular GvG as of now (only AT is still around). A thing which doesn't even exist, cannot be fun.

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

I have a better idea, just REMOVE THE REWARDS from it.

PvP was at its best when people played it for the sake of combat, knowing they would get no real reward (well, Balthazar faction, but that was really just to facilitate more combat).

You're leaving out one very deciding condition here: the population of players interested in it was 10 times greater than now. I mean, there actually was enough people to hold competitions for the sole purpose of competitions. Today's HA environment isn't the same: it consists of two very different kinds of players. The first are the ones who have played this game since 2005/2006, and for them, considering the entire 10 years path walked, the drops from the chest are even more valuable than title progression given, since all of these fellows are already ranked 12 or above (that is, have got almost all emotes). In other words, for them, the competition for the sake of competition would quickly turn into a dim thing. They know all the builds, all the maps, and even what to run to kick both blue and their yellow alts team from Halls, so if all of the sudden one would decide to remove the Halls Chest, these people will probably switch to playing one-two evenings a week. The ending conclusion is that such thing would greatly decrease the already-meager tournament's activity.

As for the second kind, these are the people who have joined Guild Wars during or after the global exodus of PvP players from the project and its competitive quality decline. These are the ones who would constantly sync by running packs of alts, play almost every day, and in the end, year after, pretend they possess the actual skills to be considered, let's say, rank 13. Some of you said that these people destroyed the oldschool PvP... well, to me, it's a very objectionable statement, as if there weren't sync players like Theo or Warehouse around, we wouldn't have had the last autumn's updates. Despite the lack of skill and totally dishonest play, they were the driving factor for me to actually try to improve the situation by discussing it with the staff of ArenaNet. So you see, we ended up with some kind of paradox, that cheaters (syncers) are one of the main factors of why PvP gets actually fixed for normal players. I wouldn't judge if it's good or bad, I simply have noted how it is.