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Lunarbunny · May 14, 2005, 08:17 PM // 20:17

I had a couple of crashes, but they were not heat-related. Even with the stock fan a AMD64 Winchester core stays around 40C even under load. I think my crashes were the shell...so I installed Litestep on my computer (XP Pro SP2). I had used it to gain stability in Win98 on this machine here, too. GPF's are almost nonexistent on the Win98 system...something that normally can't be said of Win98 on a crappy Compaq. I need more testing time, but I think I'll be a lot more stable than I was on the XP machine without Litestep.
Litestep (Not an OS in itself, but replaces the unstable explorer shell, which you can return to at any time with a double click on the "Set Explorer as Shell" icon): http://www.ls-universe.info/download.php?list.7 (Omars LS installer)
P.S.: I don't recommend messing with themes unless you really want to screw around for a couple of hours. It's a PITA sometimes, and Win98 doesn't even take other themes without crashing AFAIK. I did find one that worked alright for XP.

Kitar · May 14, 2005, 09:00 PM // 21:00

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Originally Posted by Attelim

Well the ram isnt the issue. FYI you were saying earlier that a VERY small amount of people are having crashing issues... look at the poll.. its about 50/50

This game may expose a overheating problem. However, any heating problem is due to the PC itself and not any software, game or no.

The poll isnt surprising, considering this is a technical troubleshooting forum, and many of the people who post here already have issues.

Loviatar · May 14, 2005, 10:35 PM // 22:35

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Originally Posted by Kitar

This game may expose a overheating problem. However, any heating problem is due to the PC itself and not any software, game or no.

The poll isnt surprising, considering this is a technical troubleshooting forum, and many of the people who post here already have issues.

not only that but they are coming here looking for solutions

if *everybodt * were having problems the forum would be locked up with people the way it was when the game went down at first

Loner · May 14, 2005, 11:08 PM // 23:08

I got the same problem as the OP, but i've open my case, clean all fan, replace the thermal compound between the cpu and heat sink and now it seem to work perfectly. My cpu now start at 34C and goes up to 50C and stay at this temperature. Before i clean everything my CPU heat was going from 40 to 69C in about 10 minutes.

Rememdium · May 15, 2005, 02:19 AM // 02:19

Tried the outside fan thing. Didn't work.

Heat isn't my issue... in fact, City of Heroes makes my processor just as hot as GW does. Yet CoH has never crashed on me, in the year I've been playing it. My processor temp never goes over 46C in GW, but it usually crashes before it even gets there.

On a side note, when will people stop posting that they have THE answer to a problem when they really have AN answer? I'm sure this solution will work for some just fine, but if you'd read all the crashing and BSOD threads you would've seen that this didn't work for a lot of us.

Edit: As far as the RAM thing goes, tried that also. I've got two 512s, one Centon, one Crucial. Took out one, crashed on the other. Tried the other one, crashed on that one too. Tried them both in the other slot (why not?) still crashed.

I've been told that changing your RAM timings can help, as it fixed the OP's problem of the original crashing thread, but I don't know how to do that or what it actually does. Considering I've tried just about everything else, I'm willing to try it if someone can explain how to do it.

modru2004 · May 15, 2005, 02:41 AM // 02:41

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Originally Posted by Rememdium

Tried the outside fan thing. Didn't work.

Heat isn't my issue... in fact, City of Heroes makes my processor just as hot as GW does. Yet CoH has never crashed on me, in the year I've been playing it. My processor temp never goes over 46C in GW, but it usually crashes before it even gets there.

On a side note, when will people stop posting that they have THE answer to a problem when they really have AN answer? I'm sure this solution will work for some just fine, but if you'd read all the crashing and BSOD threads you would've seen that this didn't work for a lot of us.

Edit: As far as the RAM thing goes, tried that also. I've got two 512s, one Centon, one Crucial. Took out one, crashed on the other. Tried the other one, crashed on that one too. Tried them both in the other slot (why not?) still crashed.

I've been told that changing your RAM timings can help, as it fixed the OP's problem of the original crashing thread, but I don't know how to do that or what it actually does. Considering I've tried just about everything else, I'm willing to try it if someone can explain how to do it.

yup ive proved heat isn't the issue in my case as well. but it looks like some people turn a deaf ear on us.

ssnake_123 · May 15, 2005, 05:37 AM // 05:37

I think i'm having an overheating issue, but I'm not sure why when guild wars is running, when you press ctrl-alt-del, it says its taking up over 200k, of mem, while most other people say it takes up roughly 60-70k. I have good specs, and everything. Know why it takes so much?

Svenn · May 15, 2005, 12:22 PM // 12:22

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Originally Posted by ssnake_123

I think i'm having an overheating issue, but I'm not sure why when guild wars is running, when you press ctrl-alt-del, it says its taking up over 200k, of mem, while most other people say it takes up roughly 60-70k. I have good specs, and everything. Know why it takes so much?

Sounds like a memory leak. I have suspected that there are memory allocation/deallocation errors in some of the coding that the devs rolled after the game went live. It can take a while to track down those bugs and eliminate them.

Edit: Oh, reboot and that excess memory will be released until the game builds it back up again. :/

Chinga · May 15, 2005, 05:22 PM // 17:22

I've had a major overheating issue as well. I'm running an Asus p4p800 deluxe with an ATI 9700 pro vid card and a P4 2.6 HT. I've ran WoW for days on end, Doom 3, and whatever else. Never had a heating issue before. After I play GW for 30 min to an hour I can feel the heat coming off my tower and if I open my case I can feel a strong heat coming from the mobo/cpu. My computer will then lock up when it gets to a certain temperature and I need to restart and stay away from GW for a while in order to let everything cool back down. Rinse and repeat.

I've recently taken the side panel off my tower and have a fan blowing directly into the mobo. I don't get crashes anymore. It's clearly a heat issue with the GAME, not with my PC. I have the standard cooling fan that came with my P4 and an extra fan inside my tower. Like I said, I've played dozens of games on my computer and have never had anything heat them up like this game does.

Like I said, I've found a solution with the bigger fan cooling my PC fine now and I can play GW for hours on end and my case doesn't get hot like it use to any longer. I hope they do figure out what might be causing the game to cause the heating issues, but for now I'm happy with the fact I can play fine with this temporary solution

Buzz Hunter · May 16, 2005, 03:04 AM // 03:04

I checked my temps in bios just for the record. 40c pre GW, 47 after about 35 minutes of gaming....this was immedately after a blackout. My system is cooled about as well as u can cool it without a watercooling system....and I dare u to find any dust in it. (well, you know what i mean) Today in particular, it has been awful. Cant get much more than half an hour at a time. I also can play Doom3 and HL2 until I fall asleep in my chair, without a hiccup. Lets hope they get this thing nailed down soon....I have a few days off after hand surgery, and fear for my sanity without GW to keep me busy.

Specs.

Pent 4 2.0
768 ram
ati radeon 9800 pro 128 driver ver. 5.4
audigy live soundcard

Tavenlen · May 16, 2005, 05:09 AM // 05:09

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Originally Posted by ssnake_123

I think i'm having an overheating issue, but I'm not sure why when guild wars is running, when you press ctrl-alt-del, it says its taking up over 200k, of mem, while most other people say it takes up roughly 60-70k. I have good specs, and everything. Know why it takes so much?

200k is about what it SHOULD be taking up. 200k for a game these days is nothing. Half-Life 2 (and Steam in general) can take up as much a 600k. Doom III takes up around 600-700k. Battle For Middle-Earth takes up my full 1 gig of RAM and bumps my page file to 600k -- meaning to have the best playability you would need 2 gigs of RAM.

If you're having issues with 200k of RAM used, I suggest getting more memory. Right now memory prices are low, so you can upgrade for little money. A gig of Corsair XMS is $129 right now at NewEgg .

Also, you said you're having an overheating issue. Do you have any idea what your temps are at?

Tavenlen · May 16, 2005, 05:14 AM // 05:14

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Originally Posted by Buzz Hunter

I checked my temps in bios just for the record. 40c pre GW, 47 after about 35 minutes of gaming....this was immedately after a blackout. My system is cooled about as well as u can cool it without a watercooling system....and I dare u to find any dust in it. (well, you know what i mean) Today in particular, it has been awful. Cant get much more than half an hour at a time. I also can play Doom3 and HL2 until I fall asleep in my chair, without a hiccup. Lets hope they get this thing nailed down soon....I have a few days off after hand surgery, and fear for my sanity without GW to keep me busy.

Specs.

Pent 4 2.0
768 ram
ati radeon 9800 pro 128 driver ver. 5.4
audigy live soundcard

What are your temps in Doom III and Half-Life 2? Are you getting a BSOD or is Guild Wars just crashing?

I've been having issues with Guild Wars since they patched it on the 12th. I know my temps are fine (silky smooth 35C) and my hardware has just been checked today. I think some of their compatability fixes unfixed mine, but that's just me.

Anyway, you have 5.4 Cats? Have you considering trying out the new Omega Drivers ? They're based on the 5.4s and generally give better performance. If your exe is just crashing, this might help.

Tavenlen · May 16, 2005, 05:17 AM // 05:17

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Originally Posted by Chinga

... I've recently taken the side panel off my tower and have a fan blowing directly into the mobo. I don't get crashes anymore. It's clearly a heat issue with the GAME, not with my PC. I have the standard cooling fan that came with my P4 and an extra fan inside my tower. Like I said, I've played dozens of games on my computer and have never had anything heat them up like this game does. ...

I had to do that for FFXI before I upgraded last year.

Do you have any idea what your temps are in those various situations? It seems odd that Guild Wars would stress your computer more than Doom.

ssnake_123 · May 16, 2005, 07:12 AM // 07:12

I'm getting 82 degrees celsius on my main board from this one program, while just sitting in town...wtf. yes, all fans are functioning. nothing seems amiss.

(can't get through hell's precipice without comp freezing, pissing me off so much.

LtMansson · May 16, 2005, 08:09 AM // 08:09

Listen up, a lot of you look at your CPU temperature. Don't look at that (only) also look at your board temp - that solved it for me.

GroG · May 16, 2005, 08:13 AM // 08:13

Same for me...guildwars is overheating my board and cpu, hope there will be a better solution than putting a fan blowing into you chass. This is annoying

LtMansson · May 16, 2005, 08:22 AM // 08:22

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Originally Posted by GroG

Same for me...guildwars is overheating my board and cpu, hope there will be a better solution than putting a fan blowing into you chass. This is annoying

Have you tried to relocate your puter for better air flow? I did and managed to
lower my temps by 5C.
(Just enough to avoid BSOD)