Curse

reality · May 12, 2005, 11:48 AM // 11:48

I can buy the whole "its your power supply" for many people, but I am running a slower system with a non-state of the art video card. I have a 300W power supply as well, and I am getting the same problems. Everything is getting cooled properly, so I want to know what part of Guild Wars needs to overheat my system on the menu screen?

Some times I can play for almost 30 mins, but that is just about the peak. I've just been playing solo until this gets fixed.

I did play the beta, and I uninstalled everything, so unless it buried a time bomb deep within my registry that shouldn't be a problem.

LtMansson · May 12, 2005, 11:59 AM // 11:59

reality, did you have these problems during the Beta?
If not, then the question to Ncsoft would be: Has they made any MAJOR grafix/sound code updates after the final beta!?
I doubt it.

reality · May 12, 2005, 12:24 PM // 12:24

Beta ran silky smooth with no lockups and graphical detail set to med-high.

The only thing I have done since then is add a wireless network card in place of my normal one. I really don't think that is causing it though =/

boots559 · May 12, 2005, 12:32 PM // 12:32

I've also played in two betas, the pubic one with my fx 5200 and the one in jan. with my 6600gt, had NO problems at all with either and ran the jan. one with maxed out settings at 2180x1024 with 4aa, now it crashs even if i have everything on low and in 800x600.

LtMansson · May 12, 2005, 01:30 PM // 13:30

Do we smell a rat?
I my self was in the Final beta but didn't play more than a few hours (tops 8h - but I can't recall having any problems then...)

So, here's the million $ Q, what is the differences between final Beta and the official release?

Server load?
Major code update?

Let's brain storm.

Just wished someone at ncsoft would read this...

Principa Discordia · May 12, 2005, 01:39 PM // 13:39

For anyone who is wondering if it's their power supply, it's not really the watts rating of the power supply itself that's the issue with graphics cards the 12v rail is. You could have a 600w PSU, but if it's only got under 18a on the 12v rail then you're probably going to have trouble, especially with newer graphics cards.

I usually recommend a PSU with 18a on the 12v rail, or with dual 12v. My current 6600GT is running on a PSU with 16a on the 12v rail, and while I have no problems with it, I do worry a lot. That's why I'm upgrading my PSU this weekend to a 600w with a dual 12v rail.

Viskan Warwind · May 12, 2005, 05:51 PM // 17:51

I am having similar problems as everyone else it seems. (note right now, i'm at work so I don't have my exact specs w/ me atm)

I have 2 copies of GW. One on my PC, and one on my wifes. My PC works fine, never had a problem with it. My wifes always crashes.

I know that both PC's one stick of 512ram. I think mine is SD..and hers is DDR.

My wifes mobo is newer than mine. I don't have the specs on the mobo's right now.

My processor is P3 900 something. I think hers is a Intel Pentium 4 2.6 gig or something like that.

Mine is home built, her grandparents bought hers from (I think it was Dell or Compaq or something).

I think my Vid Card is a radeon 7000 128 or somewhere around there. Hers is an onboard factory one, Intel 82865G.

I have an 80gig HD...and hers has a 40gig HD.

I can get my wifes PC to run GW's...but I believe I have isolated "when" it crashes. I can run around, fight, talk to NPC's, and zone to different places...however there is some lag.

But, when it crashes is when I open the inventory and try to move an item more than 1 space over...or double click an item to equip it. If I move the item only 1 space over, then it just jumbles the images a little bit, then I close the inventory and re-open it and it looks normal again.

Furthermore, I have almost the exact same PC at work. The only noticible differences between her PC and my work PC is that my work has an ACPI Multiprocessor PC and hers has a Uniprocessor PC and my work PC has a Intel Pentium 4 2.8 gig. I don't have any problems what so ever running GW's on my work PC...all the while running several other programs in the background and switching back and forth all the time.

My wifes PC & mine are connected to DSL via a router. Mine has a direct connection (wired) and hers is a wireless.

Whenever the problem occurs, it's always either a complete shutdown/restart...or the black screen of death and then I have to manually restart the PC.

I have already defrag'd her PC...which did need it. I used to have 1 stick of 256 & 1 stick of 512 in hers, but I took the 256 out...still no change. All drivers are up to date. She is running SP2 I believe.

What do you guys think?

LtMansson · May 12, 2005, 09:35 PM // 21:35

Viskan, welcome to the club of no idea.
I'm sorry to say that alot of us seems to be out of options by now.
I've just about done everything in the world but flipping my puter upside down.
Btw.
Did ncsoft remove all pets? My poor ol' Cat just vanished and I had a roll back (quests done, was suddenly undone).
The update did nothing for me...

Stupid · May 12, 2005, 09:42 PM // 21:42

I used to have mysterious reboots in Camelot. I tried EVERYTHING to solve the problem, and finally gave up.

About three months ago, my 450W power supply bit the dust and I replaced it with a gi-normous 600W PS. My local shoppe only stocked 400W units and these huge 600W things. I run a 4-disk RAID, so the 400W supply wasn't going to pack it.

Since replacing the power supply: no crashes in Camelot. Guildwars runs flawlessly.

Mojofilter · May 12, 2005, 09:42 PM // 21:42

I posted in the other thread ( http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...2&page=1&pp=25 ), same problems as everyone else. Sudden reboot after "X" mins playing.

Im of the opinion that all we can do is wait for the GW development team to get their @!#$ together and release a fix, BECAUSE IT IS A PROBLEM WITH THE CLIENT CODE.

I swear if I hear another person suggest defragging my HD and uninstalling/reinstalling my video drivers after the previous 11 pages in the other thread I'm going to saw their hands off with the dull edge of my useless GW cd, and slap them silly with 'em.

LtMansson · May 13, 2005, 06:37 AM // 06:37

Mojofilter, Hrhr
Yeah, I was this close breaking my keyboard in half yesterday.
ncsoft actually sent me their "fix-all-premade-bugs-guide" again (which I got last week, and has replied to - and which they've already responded to a.s.o)...
The worst thing was that it was just pasted into it all, the brackets [put problem here] was still in it... no edits.
Makes you pop.

Emperor Mordred · May 13, 2005, 09:29 AM // 09:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mojofilter

I posted in the other thread ( http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...2&page=1&pp=25 ), same problems as everyone else. Sudden reboot after "X" mins playing.

Im of the opinion that all we can do is wait for the GW development team to get their @!#$ together and release a fix, BECAUSE IT IS A PROBLEM WITH THE CLIENT CODE.

I swear if I hear another person suggest defragging my HD and uninstalling/reinstalling my video drivers after the previous 11 pages in the other thread I'm going to saw their hands off with the dull edge of my useless GW cd, and slap them silly with 'em.

does suggesting to change your PSU count too?

cause i don't believe those theories that the client code sucks.
code can't cause overheating or sucking up too many power

kuklovod · May 13, 2005, 09:54 AM // 09:54

Buy an ATI video card. Geforce is sucky, in GW and many other games. Clean up your system of spyware and virii, if unable - clean install of WinXP. And of course, if your CPU overheats, well, get it cooled. it's not GW's fault that it uses CPU extensively - CPU is meant to be used, you know? If you computer works fine when idling on your office tasks or sub-par games like WoW, it does not mean it can handle the real load. Again, none of the game's fault.

On all of the comps, some with very dated hardware, that I have installed GW, it plays smoothly, with maybe a couple of crashes a week ago and over 100+ hours played on each. I don't believe in coincidences, I believe in proper hardware/software and straight hands. GW has been very solid, both in beta and in release.

Viskan, your situation is almost definitely the on-board card. Two things to try - lower the vid settings to minimum, and try your card in wife's computer (I assume you have installed latest directx). Either 1 or 2 would most definitely solve your problem.

boots559 · May 13, 2005, 10:21 AM // 10:21

It ran solid for me also in the jan beta, i played with this same system, but come release i get crashs.
Nothings changed cept for the few times i've reinstalled windows. i've reinstalled windows twice since i got the game two weeks ago trying to get it to run right, this last time i did it, i just installed drivers and and the game, it still crashed.
about the overheating deal, someone wanna tell me why i can play hl2 for hours stright and never have my gpu go above 58C, but 5 minutes into gw and it's already past 62C and on the way up? i'd belive it was my hardware if other more graphical games crashed but they just don't, and none make my gpu temp go that high. i'll admit my system doesn't run the coolest, and isn't the most up to date but all the other games i play just don't crash like gw does

kuklovod · May 13, 2005, 10:32 AM // 10:32

well, because it's the most advanced of your games

settings on minimum?

boots559 · May 13, 2005, 10:42 AM // 10:42

I really don't think gw is more advanced than hl2, doom3, and farcry. It looks good, but not that good, and i play hl2 maxed out at 2180x1024 (don't get 60fps but more than playable) and so on. i can't play gw on lowest of the low at 800x600 for more than 20 minutes or so before it freaks out and black screen crashes on me.I'm running a 6600gt, I don't see why I should go buy some ati card when the more graphical games games run fine.

but don't get me wrong, i'm not dissing gw at all, i've been waiting for this game to come out since early sept. last year when i first heard about it. it just kinda pisses me off that i waited that long and only played 2 weekends without worrying about it crashing in the middle of a mission/quest

LtMansson · May 13, 2005, 10:52 AM // 10:52

Kuklovod, there has been a few replies in this thread regarding different fixes.
What you and other (Helpful people) seem to dismiss is the fact that most of us that do get BSOD's did not have these problems in the Beta (final Beta incl.).

So the fix we're looking for could not (?) be hardware/driver related on the client side.

I tried to get some brainstorming started earlier in this thread...

wonderworm · May 13, 2005, 11:09 AM // 11:09

I got random reboots every few hours, too.
It starts with sound problems, mainly weapon and spells sounds effects missing. Then i get some white-blueish rectangle around my pointer.
A few minutes after that i get a bluescreen without any text(or reboot if i enable auto reboot).
Weird thing is : switching to windowed mode seems prevent the crash when i already have the above signals

At least doing so saves me from aborting quests/missions.
Guild wars is definitely the only game in the last few months that had such a major bug for me.

My system :
AMD Athlon xp (Barton Core) 2500+ @2Ghz (400Mhz FSB) (running prime95 stable)
Abit NF7-S rev2 (nforce 2)
2*512 MB Twinmos DDR PC3200 CL2.5 running in dual channel mode
Radeon 9800Pro 128MB

boots559 · May 13, 2005, 11:17 AM // 11:17

psh, i wish i had some kinda warning when mine was about to crash, it just does it.

EnDinG · May 13, 2005, 01:28 PM // 13:28

Just a suggestion, but instead of filling one thread up with over 200 posts, can you guys and gals post the problem directly on the forum, there is a thread sticked at the top with some solutions to problems as well.

Reference Thread

It might have an answer in there for your problem. If not just post a new thread for us to help you with. As the problem is solved, I can just copy and paste the thread into the section for others to read and try out as well. It might take a while, but we can help as much as we can, its just useless trying to post in threads filled with people saying different things on different problems.

(On a personal note, I just won't bother answering people if they decide to hijack someone elses problem post, thats just rude.)