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unreal3 · Jun 01, 2005, 08:23 AM // 08:23

I did not have this 100% cpu usage problem until a recent update by NCsoft.
(sys: specs)
Asus A7V8X-X
AMD 2500+
G4 Ti4400 128MB
1024 Gig Ram 400MHz
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Dirkiess · Jun 01, 2005, 09:52 AM // 09:52

To all those who are having problems here, just on the off chance, are you all running some sort of ATI 9xxx series Graphics card??

I just want to see if there is a trend here. If so, then this is more important than over heating problems, as there are more and more people with 9xxx series cards who are having problems and the motherboards are all different.

Let me know here, and we'll all see if this is part of the problem.

If so, then i would suggest everyone goes back to there original Graphics Drivers that came with the card before doing any graphics updates, and see how it runs from that point.
If it runs, run it for a few days, if it doesn't run at all, then upgrade a step until the game does start to run as the game may need a certain level of driver to perform properly.

Ok, i know the X800 is some sort of rehash of the 9800, but there is more tech in the X800 that is being utilised compared to 9xxx series.

I am wondering if the Graphics drivers are causing problems on older cards compared to X800 and above.

unreal3 · Jun 03, 2005, 07:34 PM // 19:34

This is an Issue with GW or also could be due to windows XP patch. I am not quite sure which one. The problem is 100% CPU Usage not a GPU problem. If you have no idea what the problem is then do not reply!.

Dirkiess · Jun 03, 2005, 09:12 PM // 21:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by unreal3

This is an Issue with GW or also could be due to windows XP patch. I am not quite sure which one. The problem is 100% CPU Usage not a GPU problem. If you have no idea what the problem is then do not reply!.

This is stating that only the CPU is the problem. What are your facts?

From what people are experiencing, it could be related to several things. GPU, Heat, Power, Drivers or even the game. If it was CPU there would be a lot more people experiencing problems and more often than not quite possibly on the same spec machines.

As such, my friends PC has similar problems and it's not CPU related. This has adequate cooling and has also been swapped out for a new processor. It has similarity's to other machines. ATI 9xxx series GPU, Nforce 2, and it's MSI not Asus. Power is fine too as I've tested that already.
As far as what i have descovered so far, it's quite possibly a driver issue, as a lot of ATI 9xxx users are running the latest drivers and some even mentioned this only started since some of the latest drivers were installed.

So, before stating a fact, get them right and then Post.

unreal3 · Jun 04, 2005, 10:46 PM // 22:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirkiess

This is stating that only the CPU is the problem. What are your facts?

From what people are experiencing, it could be related to several things. GPU, Heat, Power, Drivers or even the game. If it was CPU there would be a lot more people experiencing problems and more often than not quite possibly on the same spec machines.

If you read my post again: it does not state that CPU is the problem but rather it says it is a problem with GW or Windows XP patch causing CPU to run at 100% when graphical applications are run. Also as someone had pointed out by looking at the pattern that the problem exists on ASUS motherboards.

Just to confirm people that are having this 100% cpu usage, please post your system specs: --> Mobo, CPU, GPU, Windows Version (please include service pack information), and DirectX version.

Dirkiess · Jun 04, 2005, 11:11 PM // 23:11

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Originally Posted by unreal3

If you read my post again: it does not state that CPU is the problem but rather it says it is a problem with GW or Windows XP patch causing CPU to run at 100% when graphical applications are run. Also as someone had pointed out by looking at the pattern that the problem exists on ASUS motherboards.

Just to confirm people that are having this 100% cpu usage, please post your system specs: --> Mobo, CPU, GPU, Windows Version (please include service pack information), and DirectX version.

I think it's more than just Mobo that is the cause of the problems. There are MSI and a few others here. The highest dominating factor here, is ATI 9xxx series cards, and older NVida type cards.

It almost leads me to believe something major has been added to the Graphics system that has affected the way these older cards act with the newer drivers and the newer DX9 features. May be it's these that are causing the GPU's to overheat while the cards are trying there best to make something work that doesn;t actually exist.

Again, all speculation, but driver changes has been resolving some of these issues while ANet looks for a solution.

unreal3 · Jun 04, 2005, 11:45 PM // 23:45

Dirk, i do not want to get into an argument with you, The Fact is GPU is not being overheated. IT IS THE CPU THAT IS BEING OVERHEATED DUE TO 100% USAGE. Changing GPU dirvers will not effect.

Dirkiess · Jun 04, 2005, 11:54 PM // 23:54

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Originally Posted by unreal3

Dirk, i do not want to get into an argument with you, The Fact is GPU is not being overheated. IT IS THE CPU THAT IS BEING OVERHEATED DUE TO 100% USAGE. Changing GPU dirvers will not effect.

How many posts have you read on this Forum at the moment?

At the moment, most problems are being caused by drivers of some sort. There is the odd Heat and PSU related problem, but drivers seem to be key at the moment. This can very well affect the CPU if there is a hiccup in whatever ANet has done with the latest updates, and maybe the CPU is compensating for this hiccup.

Fine by me if you want to keep looking at the CPU, but there are various Hardware Specs going on here, not just Asus and I'm not just taking my info from this one thread. I am going by atleast a dozen or more threads that I have been posting on, and Drivers are helping people resolve there problems.

And I run an Asus Board to, currently one of the ones that is being seen more often than not, the A7N8X Deluxe. And I don't have a problem. The only reason i can think of, I'm running an ATI X800 and not an ATI 9xxx series card, which seem to be a major model that are experiencing problems.

So, I'm not arguing just stating the facts of what I have read on this Forum.

Loviatar · Jun 05, 2005, 12:00 AM // 00:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by unreal3

Dirk, i do not want to get into an argument with you, The Fact is GPU is not being overheated. IT IS THE CPU THAT IS BEING OVERHEATED DUE TO 100% USAGE. Changing GPU dirvers will not effect.

my cpu has had 100% since my first beta

and every computer sold is expected to be able to handle a full load

its not as though there were a warning saying using this product to its fullest potential is not recommended

2100+ cpu
asus budget board
3/4 gig mixed value ram
6600GT card
wd drives
sp2
latest direct x

edit

my temps go from 38c up to 43 c

Ollj · Jun 05, 2005, 12:14 AM // 00:14

My pc is 5 years old, the cooling fan is half broken, the pc is in the highest room running nonstop, really hot in here sometimes, never ever had such a problem with guild wars.

ImagoX · Jun 05, 2005, 01:19 AM // 01:19

Has anyone had the symptoms of the game's graphics getting corrupted (missing textures, seeing through walls, severe frame hit) then having the game not necessarily crash to the BSOD but going totally BLUE (but still running, just impossible to see)? Then, when I click back to the desktop my Resolution is 800X600, 16 color and not way to switch it back until I reboot. Sometimes when rebooting I get the BSOD upun reboot, however, which I've never seen before...

I have a AMD 3000 running on an Asus mobo (go figure) and a GeForce 6800 vid card and EVERYTHING else I run games-wise runs basically flawlessly... Think that it might be a related issue?

Thanks for posting tis and emailing tech support- I just tried it and it would not let me complete the form due to a DB error.

Nimehsyl · Jun 05, 2005, 02:25 AM // 02:25

Well for me I have a new PC, I got maybe a month ago. Gigabyte board with P4 3.0ghz w HT. I have a Saphirre ATI Radeon 9800 Pro w/ 256 MB, and 1GB PC 3200 RAM. I have problems with overheating (VGA and CPU get to about oh 55C) but this is running any game on my PC. I recently purchased new Fan/Heatsink for CPU and VGA, and four 2900 RPM fans. I havnt gotten them yet, but the point is, that ive been able to play Guild Wars for as long as I feel like without getting any errors, and once it reaches about 55-56C it stays there. I dont play much though, just cause I am worried about hurting something, so once I get my new cooling gear, (oh yeah, and arctic silver paste) ill let you know how things run.

Interesting to hear some of this stuff though, ill have to keep it in mind when Im developing, so I dont run into the same problems.

Dirkiess · Jun 05, 2005, 10:06 AM // 10:06

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Originally Posted by Nimehsyl

Well for me I have a new PC, I got maybe a month ago. Gigabyte board with P4 3.0ghz w HT. I have a Saphirre ATI Radeon 9800 Pro w/ 256 MB, and 1GB PC 3200 RAM. I have problems with overheating (VGA and CPU get to about oh 55C) but this is running any game on my PC. I recently purchased new Fan/Heatsink for CPU and VGA, and four 2900 RPM fans. I havnt gotten them yet, but the point is, that ive been able to play Guild Wars for as long as I feel like without getting any errors, and once it reaches about 55-56C it stays there. I dont play much though, just cause I am worried about hurting something, so once I get my new cooling gear, (oh yeah, and arctic silver paste) ill let you know how things run.

Interesting to hear some of this stuff though, ill have to keep it in mind when Im developing, so I dont run into the same problems.

Don't worry about the heat at that level. My X800pro runs up to 54c and I don't experience any problems with heat whatsoever.

The over heating problems people are talking about, is when the game starts to crash or graphics go glitchy, or the PC locks up etc.

If you don't have any of these, then I suggest you play on and enjoy yourself.
If you are having difficulties with graphics and game crashing, due to you running an ATI 9xxx series card, I suggest you go back to Cat 4.11 graphics drivers, but run the Driver Cleaner program you can obtain from www.guru3d.com along with cat 4.11.

Uninstall your current drivers, reboot, run cleaner, reboot, run the cat 4.11 installer.

Obviously you only need to do this if you have problems.

Major Ren · Jun 19, 2005, 11:18 AM // 11:18

hello all im really cheesed of with guild wars as my card temp gos thru the roof .
i have a gigabyte motherboard and a ati 9600xt and 3ghz pc memory 1gig . i have never ever had a game that whats to blow up my pc whats going on and what are they doing about this .as i never had it till they updated i cant play more than 5min now ggggggggggrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.and bye the way i dont see that i have to pay money for more fans all my other games run well doom3 half life2

Mr. Buttons! · Jun 21, 2005, 03:58 AM // 03:58

It's odd cause the game worked fine when the Beta was going around. Once this game became retail, I started having blackout issues.

This is GW's fault, and I am not about to spend money on a card JUST to play GW. NCsoft better fix this problem.

Speedy · Jun 21, 2005, 06:11 PM // 18:11

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Originally Posted by ImagoX

Has anyone had the symptoms of the game's graphics getting corrupted (missing textures, seeing through walls, severe frame hit) then having the game not necessarily crash to the BSOD but going totally BLUE (but still running, just impossible to see)? Then, when I click back to the desktop my Resolution is 800X600, 16 color and not way to switch it back until I reboot. Sometimes when rebooting I get the BSOD upun reboot, however, which I've never seen before...

Are you overclocking? If so, the clock settings might be set too high. Try lowering them a little. You're getting visual artifacts and errors and this is usually the problem.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nimehsyl

I have problems with overheating (VGA and CPU get to about oh 55C)

55 degrees is a bit high but not that bad. I'd say anything over ~65-70 would be where it starts to get too high.

As for me, I have a ASUS K8V-SE Deluxe Mobo (VIA K8T800 chipset), an Athlon 64 3000+ CPU, and a Nvidia 6800GT. No problems here for overheating. My temperatures are ~40-45 degrees idle and 50-55 degrees at full load. This is with both CPU and GPU overclocked and with 3 fans + heatsink.

aeroclown · Jun 21, 2005, 07:52 PM // 19:52

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Originally Posted by Attelim

Well i have been having the same problems, something i noticed is that when i Alt+Ctrl+delete and check up on guildwars, its taking up 90+ percent CPU usage (which i dont recall having it that high for any other game) and noticed its priority was set to "low" which is not at all normal and have never come across ANY progrem set to that. When i change it to normal it auto-switches back to low when i "alt+tab" back to GW

This sucks because i just got the game today

lol

This is normal, Guildwars Uses an automated priority thread. Guild wars only uses a normal priority when it is running fullscreen and is the target window. It utilizes a low setting when minimized or when it is not the target window, this is designed to allow you to use application and software while guild wars continues to run in the background. Fairly simple software dynamics. Guild wars will only get a 90% cpu ussage rating in a low priority mode when it is the only application requesting cpu usage.

Software that does utilizes a 100% cpu load are not out of the normal. In fact many many applications do use 100% load at one time or another. I work in Maya an industry standard application designed for 3d Development and rendering of models and animation. During render times my system can see a 100% cpu load for periods as long as 48 hours for 30 seconds of animated footage. The systems I currently use are bought off the shelf, one has an nforce chipset, both are made by gateway. Out of the 3 years of use not once has a 100% cpu load caused a hardware failure or BSOD.

The major factor here is cooling and hardware interaction. Either at a low level or a user level. The points made about Asus boards and temprature varriances seem to imply a problem with the main boards firmware and/or cpu throttle control, as well as cooling. If that is the case Guildwars usage or thread processing could be a contributing factor to the problem, but may not in my opinion be the primary cause of the underlying problems.

For no reason should your systems cpu core temprature systematically increase exponentially by the minute, if your system is properly cooled and the cpu is properly throttled. In no case can software alone be the contributing factor to a heat related situation. Over heating is the result of a hardware failure. All Systems are made and designed to handle a full system load for extended periods of time. That does not mean that the hardware is flawless nor the code that the hardware is running is flawless either. It means that a 100% system load alone does not indicate a problem.

If you are seeing high tempratures and increasing tempratures, you should first check to make sure that your system has ample air flow. Make sure that if its in a desk there are ample spaces for it to breath. If it is on carpet imediately shutdown your system and find a way to lift it off the carpet. In no circumstances should your system sit directly on carpet, it clogs up airflow, in in many instances on prefae systems completely blocks the designed airflow through the front lower vents. Make sure the back of the system isn't in direct contact with a wall, blocking the rear venting systems. The cpu Alone is not the only contributing factor to heat. In fact If you have poor air flow you are recirculating old hot air inside your case ! Increasing the potential for high core tempratures across all your hardware including mission critical compents like the cpu, the memory, the hard disk. In fact many people even forget that Disk drives need just as mush cooling as any other portion of the system. Hot core tempratures can also mean Hot internal case tempratures which effect every single component. It can even cause your hard disk to fail and corrupt data.

*shrugs*

thats my 0.02 anyway.

Racthoh · Jun 25, 2005, 07:42 AM // 07:42

When I first started the game, I couldn't believe the rise in temperature (about 25 celcius). Opened up my system and got an old fan down by it to help things out. Reduced it a little, but now every so often I completely remove the heatsink and fan and dust it out. Just today I did that and the temperature dropped 14 celcius.

I use a Radeon 9800, and as some of you posted, 9xxx seem to cause the most problems.

Another obvious solution is to make sure you don't have any spyware running in the background as it can take up usage. It could just be a combination of dust bunnies, background programs, or other things you just don't know about.

StrykerMikado · Jun 25, 2005, 03:37 PM // 15:37

The game does make your cpu temp rise. I was playing guild wars the other day just fine but after awhile, some things would run slow like holding down backspace to delete some words would take like 5 times longer then normal. I finnaly exited the game but right when I did, my computer restarted. Yes my cpu is overclocked but ive played half life 2 then doom 3 right after it without any problems. Just with guild wars.

Lycan · Jun 25, 2005, 03:59 PM // 15:59

I have been having these same issues ever since I got GW. At first I had a 9600 pro which ran the BWEs and Alpha events flawlessly. After about 30min sometimes longer, I will get a black screen then instant reboot. Now I got the Radeon x700 card, and GW will not even run with this card. I have been in contact with NC Interactive for over a week on the X700 and no solutions. I decided to put my 9600 back in and I still get the Black SOD. I have be in contact with NC Interactive for over 2 months on this issue, still have yet to resolve it.

Here are the specs:

Athalon XP3000+
1gb DDR
Asus Mobo
4" fan to replace the factory rear fan
(2) 3.5" swivel fan
Exhaust fan

Heat is averaging around 31 C, when GW is running around 38 C. Also no dust in my system, clean it frequently.