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sigried · Mar 27, 2006, 10:58 PM // 22:58

Im having a real good headache with the video cards

Im have a Nvidea FX550 and my friend has a ATI 9200 series and the grafics on his computer looks so direferent than mine and i simply dont know the diference does ati has and advantage as a video card since the GW is actually powerd my ati is that the reson or if i buy a better video card with nvidea will help more.

Str0b0 · Mar 27, 2006, 11:02 PM // 23:02

Ok I'm probably going to get told I have no idea what I'm talking about but I thought this was common knowledge. NVidia cards are engineered to work better in AMD based systems and ATi cards are engineered to work better in Intel based systems. It's not as noticeable as it once was but it is noticeable. ATi is also more stable than NVidia. This makes a difference. Having used a card from both Nvidia and ATi I have to say I'm more pleased with the performance of the ATi. The fact that GW code does favor the ATi doesn't hurt things for them either.

d4nowar · Mar 27, 2006, 11:15 PM // 23:15

You've got it backwards

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ATI + AMD = Yum.
Nvidia + Intel = Yum.

I'm not sure about the engineering of the programs, but ATI and Nvidia both will try to engineer their cards better to work with certain game companies. For example the newer ATI cards have 48 Pixel Shader Processors, and the Nvidia cards have less... yet the Nvidia cards might still outperform those ATI cards because some programs don't use those processors to their full potential, but the games that do will go in favor of the ATI card.

Old Dood · Mar 27, 2006, 11:17 PM // 23:17

Personally..I wish the Game Makers/CPU Makers/ Vid Card Makers would take a breath and stop..let everyone catch up. So we all can have stability....

Str0b0 · Mar 27, 2006, 11:31 PM // 23:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by d4nowar

You've got it backwards

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ATI + AMD = Yum.
Nvidia + Intel = Yum.

I'm not sure about the engineering of the programs, but ATI and Nvidia both will try to engineer their cards better to work with certain game companies. For example the newer ATI cards have 48 Pixel Shader Processors, and the Nvidia cards have less... yet the Nvidia cards might still outperform those ATI cards because some programs don't use those processors to their full potential, but the games that do will go in favor of the ATI card.

See I heard like 2 different things on processor compatibility but I knew that certain cards were just better with certain processors. Then I got a nasty flame message from someone that shall remain nameless telling me I was wrong about card and processor compatibility period point blank and I admit I'm not as current as I used to be. Still I appreciate the heads up on that.

Old Dood · Mar 28, 2006, 12:44 AM // 00:44

What Flame Message? I see no Flame Message....

twangansta · Mar 28, 2006, 01:03 AM // 01:03

From what I know, ATI has the advantage in AA and the more advanced technological "eye candy." However, although the support of these functions are nice, few games, if any, will use it to the fullest potential. The bad thing is, ATI has to sell these cards at a much higher price because of the added assets and you can most likely find a cheaper Nvidia card that will give the same performance in the gaming area because the application wouldn't use the most advanced functions.

I've never used an ATI card before, but Nvidia has released the 7600s and 7900s which are really cheap for their performance, and ATI's equivalent cards just seem a tad expensive compared to them.

Str0b0 · Mar 28, 2006, 01:07 AM // 01:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Old Dood

What Flame Message? I see no Flame Message....

Oh this was a private message in regards to another topic where I said that processor type makes a difference. Not in this topic. In this topic everyone was very nice.

sigried · Mar 28, 2006, 01:07 AM // 01:07

well i purchased the x1600 pro from ATI now because i got tiered from Nvidea and their stupped glithces in the game.

this is sad since i have been workin with nvidea long time now but i think is time to move on now i have seen the performace of the ati over the nvidea and it is so huge.

Ghozer · Mar 28, 2006, 01:57 AM // 01:57

ATI <3 AMD xD
nVidia <3 Intel :\ (*yuck*)

I dont like nVidia, or intel, personally...

I choose ATI for many reasons, A) theyer often cheaper, B) thier support is often much better, C) the picture Quality/clarity is much higher (more 'photo perfect')

I dont go totally on speed/specs, doing video and photo editing, I have to get a card that's going to keep me the closest to the original images whilst im viewing them, and with a monitor that has Unlimited Colour display ATI has always been the best choice.. I have tried nVidia, and the colour calibration things, but i just, cant get it right

Serafita Kayin · Mar 28, 2006, 02:20 AM // 02:20

If it was me, and I was rude, I apologize.

For the record (and I have the industry people to ask) on compatibilities:
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Nobody is gearing toward a processor. That happened in the distant past and people went to jail. ATi and nVidia both make chipsets for both platforms. It is against their best interest to support one over the other.

The reason this rumor was perpetrated? Because it used to be that nVidia cards and nForce chipsets were "supposed to run better together" (there may be some truth to that, but only in overclocking) and that people on Intel setups favored ATi. Reason for that was solely because in the 9x00 era they were better unless you had the cash for a 5950 Ultra. I went through a lot of setups then. I still love the nVidia boards, even though I jumped ship to my ATi Xpress board (I have more of an interest in it than just speed, but that would be telling).

The person who told you that would have probably said it in good faith, just being unaware because of the market trends. Truth is, optimizing for a processor on something like that is something that runs into antitrust REAL quick.

Carry on, just clarifying an issue. Wrong info is dangerous guys. You did it without knowing the truth, so there's no getting mad-just setting the record straight. Carry on with the fun guys...

Str0b0 · Mar 28, 2006, 04:48 AM // 04:48

Well like I said I don't think it holds as true today as it did then however I think just some basic architectural features of the respective cards just happen to mesh better with one processor type over the other. I don't think it is intentional persay just the way the hardware works. I have noticed that my new ATi card performs better on my AMD system than my Nvidia ever did. Now ATi is much more stable and has a lot more features than NVidia but Id almost be willing to bet if you did side by side tests with comparable cards, tests to specifically test processor compatibility you would notice a slight difference. Again I don't think this is intentional anymore, and given what you have learned I'm even more inclined to believe that, I think that there are just certain core aspects of the architecture that linger from those days when they did do that. Today the differences are probably so slight that with a good system you'd be hard pressed to notice but I bet with a sub par system you would see them.

EDIT: For the record it wasn't you so no need to sweat it.

Serafita Kayin · Mar 28, 2006, 12:55 PM // 12:55

Their cards are no more stable than the other, either. If that were the case SLi would not be THE thing to have and Crossfire the underpowered little brother.

Old Dood · Mar 28, 2006, 01:02 PM // 13:02

I really do not care or have any Brand Loyalty. I just want something that works well at a decent price. My ATI X800XL was that card at the time I bought it. The 6800GT was a $100.00 more at that time.

When I buy up to another card...I will weigh all the points then and buy something that fits with Price & Performance.

sigried · Mar 28, 2006, 06:12 PM // 18:12

so today i will test the X1600 From ATI let see if its better