Curse

Teklord · Apr 20, 2006, 04:46 PM // 16:46

Virus or Big... can't help but LoL. That threat is present for any system no matter how much is spent on it.

And all systems (again regardless of price) can be protected by keeping a good AV solution up to date and by using a good firewall (hardware being the best solution there, my opinion).

Sir Skullcrasher · Apr 20, 2006, 04:55 PM // 16:55

is it really worth it to spend 5k on a brand new system?

4runner · Apr 20, 2006, 05:16 PM // 17:16

well yes and no, tbpo, my last few rigs i custom built got quite expensive, the additional $1900.00 i paid for the Alienware name, factory built, top of the line components, warranty etc! I felt was worth it! considering my last custom rig cost about $3600.oo! (p4 3.73g ee, 9800pro 256,2 gigs ram, raptors raid o, cooler master case, turbo cool 650, plextor drivex2, abit p4 board audgigy 2zs etc,etc,etc) 2 1/2 year old rig! Still rocks and still going its my back up rig as well as my dell xps laptop for portable gaming!!

Peace

SOmetimes money isnt everything, im an enthusiast, i enjoy high end Stuff, and would gladly pay more if need be.

As for virus Funny, but i dont surf the web on this rig, dont d/l anything and strictly a gaming machine!!! Virus dont concerns me, ALL out performance does, with reliablitly!!

Tarun · Apr 20, 2006, 05:49 PM // 17:49

Last time I ran 3DMark, I had 23,065. It was sunday that it was last run.

Aquamark results: 27,023 was the end result.

http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=673

There's a link for Aquamark.

Narada · Apr 20, 2006, 08:44 PM // 20:44

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Originally Posted by 4runner

Nice now bench mark it, and will see if your rig is anywhere near those STATS~highly unlikely but OK!!

Many claim to have paid less for comparable performance, but thats like saying that a z06 corvette is just as fast as a lingenfelter corvette, NO CONTEST!

Currently under full load my rig temp is at 33degrees C!!!!!

You depress me.

Omega X · Apr 20, 2006, 09:00 PM // 21:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tarun

Last time I ran 3DMark, I had 23,065. It was sunday that it was last run.

Aquamark results: 27,023 was the end result.

http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=673

There's a link for Aquamark.

That Aquamark score, was that a standard run or custom? Seems a bit low if it was standard.

4runner · Apr 21, 2006, 05:34 PM // 17:34

aqua mark results:

custom run: 28,657 1600x1200 4xaa etc, etc,etc!!

standard run: 31,109 1600x1200 n/a

During the becnhmark, the cpu temp jumped from 34c to 39c in alittle over 4mins wow!!

Tarun · Apr 21, 2006, 06:18 PM // 18:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4runner

aqua mark results:

custom run: 28,657 1600x1200 4xaa etc, etc,etc!!

standard run: 31,109 1600x1200 n/a

During the becnhmark, the cpu temp jumped from 34c to 39c in alittle over 4mins wow!!

No offense dude, but I don't think anyone really cares. All you're doing is bragging about spending an extensive amount of money on a computer that will be outdated in a year or two. Do you just want attention? Is that the purpose of your postings and constantly bragging about something? You paid way too much, that doesn't seem impressive to anyone. The more you post about it, the less intelligent you look. You paid an extensive amount for a brand name and an over rated machine. There's nothing to be proud of about that; when you could have made it yourself, bought all the parts and had someone else build it for you, or even bought the same type of machine that from a company that does custom builds for less. Even Gateway probably could have made a machine that matches it and cost you at least $2,000 less.

Please do us a favor and stop posting, or perhaps a mod would be so kind as to lock this thread?

4runner · Apr 21, 2006, 07:02 PM // 19:02

Envy perhaps? Im just sharing info about a very well respected Computer maker thats all!

You obviously care enough to post!

And your link to aqua mark thanks!

WHY???

Lucifer PVP · Apr 21, 2006, 07:40 PM // 19:40

Stats
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+
FSB 1GHz
L1 Cache 128KB+128KB
L2 Cache 2 x 1MB
Operating Frequency 2.2GHz
1x BFG Tech Geforce 7800GTX 256MB
gigaram 1GB 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400
2x512mb kingston.. i had laying around
Duel Gigbit Nic Cards
MSI K8N Diamond Plus Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 SLI X16 ATX

My score doesn't seem right unless the differance in ram manufactors is the problem, i am reading or running it wrong..
7500s score on 3dmark05 free edition @ 1600X1200 with default settings
GW runs at mid 30sfps when moving around in towns @ 1600x1200 4x anti

4runner · Apr 21, 2006, 07:50 PM // 19:50

its advisable to run matching sticks of memory, 2 1 gig sticks are better than 1 gig + 2 512 although im not entirely sure.

the 1st run i made it scored 19,000 something, re-ran at various vid setting s and scored changed alot! not exactly sure what idid.

also try aquamark, cool video for the test.,

Teklord · Apr 21, 2006, 07:50 PM // 19:50

Well that's interesting... just a brief descript of the major components in my desktop, this being the one I built as opposed to my notebook.

AMD64 4000+
Corsair 2x512 2-2-2-5 RAM (with LEDs)

Asus X1800XL PCIe

What else effects performance... umm...
Catalyst 6.3 drivers
DirectX 9.0 December 2005 (as I recall)

Haven't run a benchmarking program lately, but in Guild Wars using the in game FPS measurement I never see it below 60, and that includes the busiest towns. And that is at 1600 x 1200 with everything I can find set to max.

Addition: in the end anything above ... oh say around 40fps doesn't really matter anyway as it cannot be noticed.

Alias_X · Apr 21, 2006, 07:56 PM // 19:56

Even though I would have built mine, that is a kickass rig.

Built in water cooling is a lot better than hand done because often things break and ruin parts, with a warranty he won't have that problem.
Only change I would have is 7900GT's instead of the 7800GT's. But does Alienware even offer those yet?

Omega X · Apr 21, 2006, 08:12 PM // 20:12

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Originally Posted by 4runner

its advisable to run matching sticks of memory, 2 1 gig sticks are better than 1 gig + 2 512 although im not entirely sure.

Not that I know of. Just as long as they are both matching sets and have good timings, especially for dual channel. The difference is nominal. I know that it was true for Athlon XPs but for A64s its pretty much moot. 2x512 if you don't use memory hog programs. 2x1gb for extra headroom or memory heavy programs like photoshop. But then again, if design proggies Photoshop is your top priority, then 4x1gb in single channel will do the program justice. Since Photoshop can run into 200MBs just for a couple of layers and its easy to dig into the memory with big PSDs.

Lucifer PVP · Apr 21, 2006, 08:14 PM // 20:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Teklord

Well that's interesting... just a brief descript of the major components in my desktop, this being the one I built as opposed to my notebook.

AMD64 4000+
Corsair 2x512 2-2-2-5 RAM (with LEDs)

Asus X1800XL PCIe

What else effects performance... umm...
Catalyst 6.3 drivers
DirectX 9.0 December 2005 (as I recall)

Haven't run a benchmarking program lately, but in Guild Wars using the in game FPS measurement I never see it below 60, and that includes the busiest towns. And that is at 1600 x 1200 with everything I can find set to max.

Addition: in the end anything above ... oh say around 40fps doesn't really matter anyway as it cannot be noticed.

Well if you are getting around 60fps with 1600x1200 with 4x anti and everything maxed then it has to be a ram issue with my computer because our computers are simlar since i believe guildwars doesn't use both cores. I am going to take out the 512 sticks and run 3dmark05 again.

Replicant · Apr 21, 2006, 08:22 PM // 20:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4runner

Envy perhaps? Im just sharing info about a very well respected Computer maker thats all!

You obviously care enough to post!

And your link to aqua mark thanks!

WHY???

a very well respected computer maker............ LOL..

Dell Bought Alienware, Dell Sucks and Alienware USED TO BE respected in my books..

don't believe your "5000 dollar" computer is just a dell with some fancy lookin case.. check this.
http://www.theregister.com/2006/03/2...uys_alienware/

Me personally though, i think it was stupid to spend 5k on a system when you could easily get one the same specs for about 2k - 3k cheaper.

mrcake · Apr 21, 2006, 08:33 PM // 20:33

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Originally Posted by Replicant

Me personally though, i think it was stupid to spend 5k on a system when you could easily get one the same specs for about 2k - 3k cheaper.

Agreed they are so over priced, but good if you have cash to spare and dont want to take the risk and build a water cooled setup yourself and have a good warranty. (are the warrantys still as good now dell own them?)

mrcake · Apr 21, 2006, 08:36 PM // 20:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucifer PVP

Well if you are getting around 60fps with 1600x1200 with 4x anti and everything maxed then it has to be a ram issue with my computer because our computers are simlar since i believe guildwars doesn't use both cores. I am going to take out the 512 sticks and run 3dmark05 again.

So you are running 3 sticks of ram in 3 of the 4 slots?

Dual channel needs 2 matching sticks in each pair of slots (or just 1 pair)
Take the 1 gig stick out and get the 2 512 sticks setup for dual channel and see if that helps.

Teklord · Apr 21, 2006, 08:53 PM // 20:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Replicant

don't believe your "5000 dollar" computer is just a dell with some fancy lookin case.. check this.

It's not my system, so it really doesn't make any difference to me. However I've seen other people make this blanket statement as well. Perhaps you should take your own advice and read the article. It quite clearly states that Alienware will continue to be it's own business following the same protocol it's been using all this time. That means that they are not Dell systems with a rebadged fancy look to them. They will continue to use name brand high end components when creating systems. The only thing new is that the profit goes to Dell now.

Dell purchased there way into the high end niche market, that's all it is.

Tarun · Apr 21, 2006, 09:02 PM // 21:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Teklord

It's not my system, so it really doesn't make any difference to me. However I've seen other people make this blanket statement as well. Perhaps you should take your own advice and read the article. It quite clearly states that Alienware will continue to be it's own business following the same protocol it's been using all this time. That means that they are not Dell systems with a rebadged fancy look to them. They will continue to use name brand high end components when creating systems. The only thing new is that the profit goes to Dell now.

Dell purchased there way into the high end niche market, that's all it is.

Actually, they are still Dell systems. Dell still owns Alienware, thus Alienware is a subsidiary of Dell. Ever heard of a subsidiary? No? Here's a Wikipedia definition.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Subsidiary

In business, a subsidiary is a company controlled by another company or corporation. When control or ownership is not shared, it is termed a wholly owned subsidiary. Multinational holding companies such as Berkshire Hathaway[1], Time Warner, or Citigroup usually organize all holdings into subsidiaries, sometimes with multiple levels of containment.

Subsidiaries are separate, distinct legal entities for the purposes of taxation and regulation. They are distinct from divisions, which are entities fully integrated within the main company, and not legally or otherwise distinct from it.

An operating subsidiary is a business term frequently used within the United States railroad industry. In the case of a railroad, it refers to a company that is a subsidiary but operates with its own identity, locomotives and rolling stock.

In contrast, a non-operating subsidiary would exist on paper only (i.e. stocks, bonds, articles of incorporation) and would use the identity and rolling stock of the parent company.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subsidiary