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therangereminem · Feb 06, 2007, 09:26 PM // 21:26

ok here is the thing i bought a new hp the other day
it alreayd came with the following

processer amd athlon 64 dual corex2 3800 2.0ghz
system bus is 2000mhz
Cache Memory 512KB + 512KB on die Level 2
System Memory (RAM) 1GB
Type of Memory (RAM) PC2-4200 DDR2 SDRAM
with windows vista prumium

my g card is

PNY Verto GeForce 7600 GS 512MB DDR2 PCI Express Graphics Card

so my question is as follows
can i get direct x 10 i have directx 9c running now

if so where can i get it also what would be my fps with 3mag interent

cannonfodder · Feb 06, 2007, 11:00 PM // 23:00

Direct X 10 is only available for Vista owners, as it comes installed with it, it will have no bearing on playing guildwars or any game at the moment for a few reasons...

1, Your Graphics card is not DX10 compatible, the only card(s) out there at the minute are the nvidia 8800 range of cards.

2, Guildwars is not coded for DX10, and there are no games currently available.

Perhaps you should read up on it first, it'll be a while before the first generation of games come out.

Lonesamurai · Feb 07, 2007, 01:09 AM // 01:09

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Originally Posted by cannonfodder

Direct X 10 is only available for Vista owners, as it comes installed with it, it will have no bearing on playing guildwars or any game at the moment for a few reasons...

1, Your Graphics card is not DX10 compatible, the only card(s) out there at the minute are the nvidia 8800 range of cards.

Umm according to Microshaft, any Graphics card that is capable of Shader model 3 is DX10 compatible

However, thre are other things in DX10 that only the 880 and above use, but by no means does that stop cards that don't have them, the way the new DX10 API works is by seeing what you card can and cannot do and allows/doesn't allow options for graphics accordingly... However, nearly all Nvidia cards from the 6600 upwards are Vista Capable and DX10 Compatible, they just don't use some of the more advanced things that DX10 is also capable of

cannonfodder · Feb 07, 2007, 06:07 AM // 06:07

Fair point, what I should have and meant to say was "The only DX10 card out at present is the 8800 range", and yes cards upwards of the 6600 range are compatible, but that does not mean you get all the advanced effects DX10 will have to offer. and that is what the OP was asking in my opinion.

therangereminem · Feb 10, 2007, 04:09 AM // 04:09

ok when i installed guild wars it would not let me came upi with error saying that i have no direct x installed i have vista prumium and it does not come with directx10 i was told that by microsoft the directx10 is in the testing stage yet

Bowman Artemis · Feb 10, 2007, 09:20 AM // 09:20

Vista comes with DirectX9.0L, an updated, vista-only DirectX9.0c (which cards 6600+ ARE compatible with). An update will be available for vista owners through Windows Update to get DX10 when it is released (which cards 6600-7950 are NOT compatible with). Aero Glass is compatible with DirectX 9.0L.
DirectX10 uses Shader Model 4.0, not 3.0. The only cards that support this shader model at the moment are nVidia's 8800 series of cards and the soon to be released r600 offerings from ATi.
As yet, Guild Wars only uses DirectX 9.0c. It is debatable as to if Anet will update it to use DirectX 10 because there is no backwards compatibility between DirectX 10 and previous versions (8 and 9).

Microsoft was correct in saying that DX10 is still in testing stages, when it is available, your computer will automatically download and install it. Cards older than the 8800 series are NOT compatible with DirectX 10 AT ALL, however they CAN use DirectX 9.0L, which runs Vista's interface.

To answer the op's question, no you cannot use DirectX 10 with that video card. FPS is not dependent on your internet provider, it all depends on your computer's specifications. With that rig, you can expect to have between 80 and 120 FPS on max settings depending on resolution.

Lonesamurai · Feb 10, 2007, 02:40 PM // 14:40

Actually Bowman, Alex weekes has said here on Guru that they will be moving to DX10 if it adds better graphical abilities

Oh and any card that has shader model 3 is DX10 compatible, it just doesn't use all of DX10's capabilities, however the 8800 cards (and 8600) do!

Bowman Artemis · Feb 11, 2007, 02:22 AM // 02:22

Hmm, I wasn't aware of Alex's comment. Thanks for filling me in. Now. The problem with current cards (pre G80) is that their hardware doesn't physically support the API.

DirectX9.0L will be as far up as they can go. It is essentially a really scaled down DirectX 10, I think that's where you're getting confused. It has the major features of DX10, will run on all DX9 cards and will run DX10 games in a "compatibility mode" with worse quality and performance than if you were running "true" DX10.

Lonesamurai · Feb 11, 2007, 05:29 AM // 05:29

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Originally Posted by Bowman Artemis

Hmm, I wasn't aware of Alex's comment. Thanks for filling me in. Now. The problem with current cards (pre G80) is that their hardware doesn't physically support the API.

DirectX9.0L will be as far up as they can go. It is essentially a really scaled down DirectX 10, I think that's where you're getting confused. It has the major features of DX10, will run on all DX9 cards and will run DX10 games in a "compatibility mode" with worse quality and performance than if you were running "true" DX10.

I'm not getting confused, i'm getting my information from the Microsoft website and from Nvidias

your right how it works, but your misunderstanding the compatibility

Bowman Artemis · Feb 11, 2007, 09:09 PM // 21:09

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Originally Posted by Lonesamurai

I'm not getting confused, i'm getting my information from the Microsoft website and from Nvidias

your right how it works, but your misunderstanding the compatibility

http://www.nvidia.com/page/search.ht...rds=directx+10
First article.

Quote:

Originally Posted by nVidia White Paper on DirectX 10

DirectX 10 is the first complete redesign of DirectX since its birth. To carry on the tradition of serving as the premier DirectX platform, we designed a new GPU architecture from scratch specifically for DirectX 10. This new architecture, which we refer to as the GeForce 8800 series architecture, is the result of over three years of intensive research and development with intimate collaboration from Microsoft. The first product based on this new architecture is the GeForce 8800 GTX—the world’s first DirectX 10–compliant GPU.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Summary of Above Paper

Microsoft’s release of DirectX 10 represents the most significant step forward in 3D graphics API since the birth of programmable shaders. Completely built from the ground up, DirectX 10 features a highly optimized runtime, powerful geometry shaders, texture arrays and numerous other features that unlock a whole new world of graphical effects. The GeForce 8800 GPUs are the world's first DirectX 10 compatible GPUs and this paper describes DirectX 10 features and how the Geforce 8800 architecture brings them to life.

The 8800 series are the first GPUs compatible with DirectX 10. Period.

MegaMouse · Feb 11, 2007, 09:23 PM // 21:23

The old DX debate again. As far as cards prior to the 8xxx series from Nvidea, nomne are compatible or tested with DX10. Some features may be able to run on them but in a software environment only. The hardware can not run it. To get teh most out of DX10 you will have to have a DX10 compliant card of which teh only ones offered at this moment are the 8xxx series of Nvidea. So far ATI is from what I understand and read, playing the waiting game to see if game manufacturers are going to jump on teh DX10 bandwagon. So for teh time beign I personaly see no reason to upgrade to a version of DX that may or may not work with the games that I play, also no hardware upgrades for me until I actualy upgrade to Vista (I am taking a wait and see what problems pop up attitude).

Mega Mouse

Lonesamurai · Feb 11, 2007, 09:24 PM // 21:24

Compatible with everything that DX10 can throw at them, however, Areo is DX9, hence you DO NOT need a DX10 card, also, as you pointed out, DX10 incorporates a DX9 API using Shader Model 3, so again, as long as your graphics card has shader model 3, it is DX10 compatible, however it can't use all of DX10's capabilities

Lonesamurai · Feb 11, 2007, 09:36 PM // 21:36

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Originally Posted by MegaMouse

The old DX debate again. As far as cards prior to the 8xxx series from Nvidea, nomne are compatible or tested with DX10. Some features may be able to run on them but in a software environment only. The hardware can not run it. To get teh most out of DX10 you will have to have a DX10 compliant card of which teh only ones offered at this moment are the 8xxx series of Nvidea. So far ATI is from what I understand and read, playing the waiting game to see if game manufacturers are going to jump on teh DX10 bandwagon. So for teh time beign I personaly see no reason to upgrade to a version of DX that may or may not work with the games that I play, also no hardware upgrades for me until I actualy upgrade to Vista (I am taking a wait and see what problems pop up attitude).

Mega Mouse

1, please stop talking about something you have no idea about... As has been stated before, there is no issues between DX7/8/9 games under DX10

2, here, for your perusal, is a full list from Nvidias website of the GPU's that are Vista Compatable

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nvidia's website

As Microsoft’s newest operating system, Windows Vista has been designed to help users easily view, find, and organize information through a 3D user experience. NVIDIA® is working closely with Microsoft® to ensure that its consumer, mobile, professional, and workstation products will support the best Windows Vista experience for its customers.

NVIDIA solutions will take full advantage of the new Windows Vista features and functionality. When coupled with NVIDIA products, Windows Vista will provide enhanced user productivity, crisp vibrant photos and videos, and data security for peace of mind.

Desktop GPUs:

GeForce 8800 GPUs
GeForce 7950 GPUs
GeForce 7900 GPUs
GeForce 7800 GPUs
GeForce 7600 GPUs
GeForce 7300 GPUs
GeForce 7100 GPUs
GeForce 6800 GPUs
GeForce 6600 GPUs
GeForce 6500 GPUs
GeForce 6200 GPUs
GeForce 6100/6150 GPUs
GeForce FX 5900 GPUs
GeForce FX 5700 GPUs
GeForce FX 5600 GPUs
GeForce FX 5500 GPUs
GeForce FX 5200 GPUs
GeForce PCX GPUs

NVIDIA Quadro NVS 440 GPUs
NVIDIA Quadro NVS 285 GPUs
NVIDIA Quadro NVS 280 GPUs
NVIDIA Quadro NVS 210S

Notebook GPUs:

GeForce Go 7900 GPUs
GeForce Go 7800 GPUs
GeForce Go 7600 GPUs
GeForce Go 7400 GPUs
GeForce Go 7300 GPUs
GeForce Go 7200 GPUs
GeForce Go 6800 GPUs
GeForce Go 6600 GPUs
GeForce Go 6400 GPUs
GeForce Go 6200 GPUs
GeForce Go 6100/6150 GPUs
GeForce FX Go5700 GPUs
GeForce FX Go5650 GPUs
GeForce FX Go5600 GPUs
GeForce FX Go5200 GPUs
GeForce FX Go5100 GPUs

NVIDIA Quadro NVS 300M GPUs
NVIDIA Quadro NVS 120M GPUs
NVIDIA Quadro NVS 110M GPUs

And please, I've been beta testing Vista for just under a year since Beta 1 and followed all the information on its developement and actually been part of it through bug reports and ideas via the Microsoft and Technet forums, so please, stop talking!

EDIT ~ On that page I took the quote from, there is a free system check by Nvidia, if you want to know if your Vista capable, give it a try

Bowman Artemis · Feb 12, 2007, 05:50 AM // 05:50

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Originally Posted by Lonesamurai

Compatible with everything that DX10 can throw at them, however, Areo is DX9, hence you DO NOT need a DX10 card, also, as you pointed out, DX10 incorporates a DX9 API using Shader Model 3, so again, as long as your graphics card has shader model 3, it is DX10 compatible, however it can't use all of DX10's capabilities

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quote from my last post

The GeForce 8800 GPUs are the world's first DirectX 10 compatible GPUs and this paper describes DirectX 10 features and how the Geforce 8800 architecture brings them to life.

Aero works with SM3 (DX9) cards, sure, but DX10 needs SM4 cards. Also, DX10 doesn't include a DX9 API (it's not backwards compatible at all actually), there is an upgrade for DX9 called DX9L. It is still DX9 though.

Also, you beta testing vista since beta 1 has nothing to do with DX10, becuase through all the testing stages (and even currently) DX10 hasn't left Microsoft's labs.

cannonfodder · Feb 12, 2007, 06:07 AM // 06:07

Ok stop arguing, or I will take away your toys...........

Bowman Artemis · Feb 12, 2007, 09:37 AM // 09:37

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Originally Posted by cannonfodder

Ok stop arguing, or I will take away your toys...........

Not my dragon mask and peppermint shield!!!

Lonesamurai · Feb 12, 2007, 10:09 AM // 10:09

Gah, whatever, i showed evidence to back up my facts, you haven't, so I'm done with you!

cannonfodder · Feb 12, 2007, 05:16 PM // 17:16

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Originally Posted by Lonesamurai

Gah, whatever, i showed evidence to back up my facts, you haven't, so I'm done with you!

At what point did I not agree with you?, the facts are..

Nvidia's 8800 range are the only cards that are true DX10 - FACT

Vista's Aero is compatible with all DX9 cards - FACT

To get any of the newer DX10 features you will need a DX10 card. - FACT

One small point too, answer me this, as we know DX10 is still in it's testing phase, however in the dxdiag tool it states I have DX10 installed, maybe I have, maybe not, but why will it not allow to install the latest DX update as it states I have a newer one installed?.

Now do not start all this "i'm a beta tester" rubbish, your "willy waving" holds no creditation with us, I could most probably out wave you, but I will not lower myself enough to boast about this and that. Fact is we all have something to offer here, and if im wrong i'll admit it.

Rant over

Bowman Artemis · Feb 12, 2007, 08:30 PM // 20:30

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Originally Posted by Lonesamurai

Gah, whatever, i showed evidence to back up my facts, you haven't, so I'm done with you!

My last few posts have been evidence.

You showed Vista compatible GPUs, not DX10 compatible ones.

cannonfodder, just checked my dxdiag and it seems I have "DirectX 10" too. Odd. Quite frankly, I have no idea.