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AvidGamer · Jan 08, 2008, 02:36 AM // 02:36

Getting a new laptop pretty soon.
NVIDIA 7150M GS 799MB shared and a 1.67GHz Core 2 Duo T5450 with 2 gigs of ram running vista 32bit.would this run guild wars well?If you have these same specs can you post what fps on what settings you get i would be very thankful

ajmorgan25 · Jan 08, 2008, 04:46 AM // 04:46

That laptop is much better than the laptop I am using right now to play Guild Wars and I have absolutely no problems running Guild Wars at all with 1 G of RAM and a 128 MB graphics card. My connection is always great and I usually average around 25-30 fps, I think.

I'm sure you'd be fine.

TEB Elite · Jan 08, 2008, 05:34 AM // 05:34

60-90 fps depending on your connection.

Malice Black · Jan 08, 2008, 11:46 AM // 11:46

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Originally Posted by TEB Elite

60-90 fps depending on your connection.

eh?

My laptop shits all over this one and I rarely hit 60fps unless I'm in my GH. As for 90fps..not unless you turn vsync off. Turning vsync off isn't wise.

With that card 10-20FPS busy areas, and 30-50fps quiet areas/guildhall.

TEB Elite · Jan 08, 2008, 04:33 PM // 16:33

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My laptop shits all over this one and I rarely hit 60fps unless I'm in my GH. As for 90fps..not unless you turn vsync off. Turning vsync off isn't wise.

I may have thrown a larger number than is correct.

But aside from when I said depending on your connection, why play with vsync on if you have a monitor capable of a high refresh rate?

gone · Jan 08, 2008, 05:08 PM // 17:08

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Originally Posted by TEB Elite

60-90 fps depending on your connection.

my 6mb connection doesn't give me any more fps than my 2mb one. I wonder why.

TEB Elite · Jan 08, 2008, 06:50 PM // 18:50

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my 6mb connection doesn't give me any more fps than my 2mb one. I wonder why.

Its has all to do with your service provider and your actual connection (satellite, dsl, cable, dialup) as well as your location and your ability to reach a guild wars login/game server with minimal packet loss. There are many many factors that can contribute loss of fps.

lordpwn · Jan 08, 2008, 07:06 PM // 19:06

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Originally Posted by TEB Elite

There are many many factors that can contribute loss of fps.

Of which the most significant one is definitely the laptop's video chip, not the network connection. I've occasionally seen the FPS getting a little unstable when the network at my student apartment hangs for a second or two (probably just the local router getting raped by thousands of BitTorrent connections), but it's barely noticeable in most cases.

Dunno about how packet loss would affect things, but generally you do not want to play anything over a network connection where it's a factor, anyway. It does funny things to netcode, especially when a game relies as heavily on client-side prediction as Guild Wars does.

combatchuck · Jan 08, 2008, 11:35 PM // 23:35

A 7150 is sufficient. Expect around 20-30 fps in town, 40-60 in explorable.
http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4145

Biostem · Jan 08, 2008, 11:47 PM // 23:47

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Originally Posted by TEB Elite

Its has all to do with your service provider and your actual connection (satellite, dsl, cable, dialup) as well as your location and your ability to reach a guild wars login/game server with minimal packet loss. There are many many factors that can contribute loss of fps.

Internet conn/ISP affects your ping.

Computer hardware affects your FPS.

On my laptop, which has more ram but a shared-memory video card, gets about 40 FPS w/ everything turned down, and about 20-30 FPS w/ detail on medium.

BlueNovember · Jan 09, 2008, 12:26 AM // 00:26

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Originally Posted by TEB Elite

why play with vsync on if you have a monitor capable of a high refresh rate?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vsync

Why play with tearing?

AvidGamer · Jan 09, 2008, 12:51 AM // 00:51

Thank you all for your posts.Thanks alot for that link Combatchuck it was very helpful.I think ill save up some more $ and get the laptop with a NVIDIA GeForce 8400M GS its about a 100$ more then the one with the 7150.

TEB Elite · Jan 09, 2008, 02:03 AM // 02:03

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vsync

Why play with tearing?

Maybe I'm missing something, but tearing only occurs when the image is being taken out of the frame buffer earlier than the video card is done importing the data it needs. When you have a monitor capable of keeping up with the video card, then there is no problem.

LCDS are usually incapable of tearing anyway.

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Computer hardware affects your FPS.

Network settings and connection affect fps just as much if not more as graphical hardware and settings. Maybe if your little world, does not not affect the other.

Malice Black · Jan 09, 2008, 03:25 AM // 03:25

EH?

You can have the best connection in the world, but it will make no difference if you don't have the hardware to back it up.

OP - Get a 7900GS or a 8600 if you can.

lordpwn · Jan 09, 2008, 04:47 PM // 16:47

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Originally Posted by TEB Elite

Maybe I'm missing something, but tearing only occurs when the image is being taken out of the frame buffer earlier than the video card is done importing the data it needs. When you have a monitor capable of keeping up with the video card, then there is no problem.

Tearing occurs when the monitor refreshes while the video card is in the middle of updating the primary framebuffer, resulting in the monitor displaying a mix of the current and previous frame, typically split (near-)horizontally as the monitor refresh takes place one line of pixels at a time, from top to bottom. How bad the tearing is is more a matter of the computer's performance than the monitor's, since with higher framerates, the difference between the frames will be smaller and the tearing less noticeable. Nothing besides having vsync on (which forces the framebuffer to only update between monitor refreshes) will completely eliminate it, though.

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Originally Posted by TEB Elite

LCDS are usually incapable of tearing anyway.

You're confusing the flicker caused by the electron beam scan in CRTs with tearing, which is an entirely different thing as described above.

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Originally Posted by TEB Elite

Network settings and connection affect fps just as much if not more as graphical hardware and settings. Maybe if your little world, does not not affect the other.

Wrong. In any properly written network game the framerate is in no way locked to the rate at which the client can communicate over the network - if it was you'd be lucky to get 5 FPS

The Way Out · Jan 09, 2008, 04:58 PM // 16:58

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Originally Posted by lordpwn

Wrong. In any properly written network game the framerate is in no way locked to the rate at which the client can communicate over the network - if it was you'd be lucky to get 5 FPS

/woot... I love fellow techs... hopped into this late

Agreed and I cosign you last post

Snograt · Jan 09, 2008, 05:11 PM // 17:11

Meh, I always run with vsync disabled and I've never had any tearing.

Mind you, I run a pair of 8800GTX...

I do have terrible pop-ups and an apparentl tiny draw distance, but that doesn't change with vsync - probably nVidia's crapolata drivers. May well post here myself about that one of these days

TEB Elite · Jan 09, 2008, 06:34 PM // 18:34

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Dunno about how packet loss would affect things, but generally you do not want to play anything over a network connection where it's a factor, anyway.

Thats essentially all lag is, and its hardly something you can control beyond your own hardware on your specific network, even then your isp is the ultimate judge.

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How bad the tearing is is more a matter of the computer's performance than the monitor's, since with higher framerates, the difference between the frames will be smaller and the tearing less noticeable. Nothing besides having vsync on (which forces the framebuffer to only update between monitor refreshes) will completely eliminate it, though.

But in a practical situation where your playing GW on a machine with the recommended requirements, your going to be reaching an optimal framerate for your graphics settings witch will not cause any tearing at all as long as your monitor can manage a higher refresh rate than the machines, in which case there is absolutely no need for vsync. Which is why, when I play I disable it so I can enjoy smoother gameplay over unnoticeable or non-existant tearing.

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Wrong. In any properly written network game the framerate is in no way locked to the rate at which the client can communicate over the network - if it was you'd be lucky to get 5 FPS

Not so much locked, as hindered by the fact that your network is experiencing problems (overflow, peak hours, bittorrent

, faulty networking (your end), or normal routing routines) I don't disagree that FPS will be good if you have a solid reliable connection, but the second you throw in the problems that 99% of people have with the internet, you can kiss 50fps goodbye.

gone · Jan 09, 2008, 06:52 PM // 18:52

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The Way Out · Jan 09, 2008, 07:04 PM // 19:04

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rotflmao...

you need to work for geek squad. it sounds like that is where you get a lot of your....info.

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The following is an excerpt from their manual...

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