Curse

Brianna · Jan 12, 2008, 08:21 PM // 20:21

So, I have this problem. My textures in Guild Wars keep ''Ripping'', I have vertical sync on, and I have tried triple buffering, higher refresh rate, vertical sync, etc. But nothing I do makes my textures stop ripping. Every time I turn my char, they go all choppy and rip up, and it hurts my eyes really bad, not to mention its ugly. So I was wondering if anyone knows a solution?

My video card is an 8600GT, so you know.

Yogismith · Jan 12, 2008, 08:45 PM // 20:45

I'm having problems also. Odd textures on the terrain and on the character. on the character select screen it looks like the Aurora Borealis. And then the screen begins to flicker. I have a 7900GT vid card. It's not running hot as it tops out around 50c.

Brianna · Jan 12, 2008, 08:51 PM // 20:51

Well, my textures are fine, everything looks accordingly, and my PC is very cool, its just when I turn the textures rip up.

Also; I have the latest drivers. And Adam, Vertical Sync is set to ''Application Controlled'' in the control panel, so I figured Guild Wars would handle it from there - and It does make me get like 100 fps when I turn it off, so I know it's functioning.

Adam144 · Jan 12, 2008, 09:00 PM // 21:00

Vsync is probably forced off in your nvidia control panel.. try accessing that and changing it.

Couldn't tell you how atm, because I don't have a nvidia card

Chthon · Jan 13, 2008, 05:06 AM // 05:06

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Originally Posted by Brianna

So, I have this problem. My textures in Guild Wars keep ''Ripping'', I have vertical sync on, and I have tried triple buffering, higher refresh rate, vertical sync, etc. But nothing I do makes my textures stop ripping. Every time I turn my char, they go all choppy and rip up, and it hurts my eyes really bad, not to mention its ugly. So I was wondering if anyone knows a solution?

My video card is an 8600GT, so you know.

Normally that kind of thing is caused by turning v-synch off, so you've kinda ruled out the most likely suspect.

One very off-hand guess: I've seen very nasty framerate-while-turning problems caused by gateway's EZTune and other monitor crapware. In addition to being totally unnecessary, it seems that this junk can cause really nasty conflicts with your video drivers.

Brianna · Jan 13, 2008, 05:12 AM // 05:12

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Originally Posted by Chthon

Normally that kind of thing is caused by turning v-synch off, so you've kinda ruled out the most likely suspect.

One very off-hand guess: I've seen very nasty framerate-while-turning problems caused by gateway's EZTune and other monitor crapware. In addition to being totally unnecessary, it seems that this junk can cause really nasty conflicts with your video drivers.

Yeah but I have V-sync on, and every setting is the same as on my other comps, but textures still rip on here, but not on the others. That's why I'm basically lost and came here to see if anyone has insight, I guess it could completely boil down to the fact that the card might be messed up - but I don't see how, as other games run perfectly fine, it's only guild wars.

combatchuck · Jan 13, 2008, 06:07 AM // 06:07

Vsync will wait for a vertical sync even if your frame rate is below your refresh rate. That will cause choppy animation, but never tearing. My first guess would be to look in your application profiles in the nVidia control panel, or whatever they're calling it this week. Watch your frame rate as well, using the -perf switch on your shortcut. If your frame rate is going above your refresh rate, something is disabling your vertical sync.

Brianna · Jan 13, 2008, 06:19 AM // 06:19

My fps usually sits around 50-60, and my monitor has a 70Hz refresh rate. I do use -Perf at all times, so I'm always watching it. It's just so boggling, I've searched everything high and low, tried so many different settings in the control panel, but nothing will stop the tearing. It's nuts.

combatchuck · Jan 13, 2008, 07:02 AM // 07:02

Try loading the default profile using the nVidia control panel. Profile menu, Load..., use sysdflt.nsu.

Brianna · Jan 14, 2008, 06:05 PM // 18:05

Update: The game runs like a dream in Full-screen mode. But in window mode it's all sorts of messed up, wonder if it's some settings somewhere then. And Chuck, I tried that ''default profile'', didn't change a thing.

TreeDude · Jan 14, 2008, 07:17 PM // 19:17

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Originally Posted by Brianna

Update: The game runs like a dream in Full-screen mode. But in window mode it's all sorts of messed up, wonder if it's some settings somewhere then. And Chuck, I tried that ''default profile'', didn't change a thing.

Vsync does not work windowed. It is a fullscreen only function. As is antialaising.

Brianna · Jan 14, 2008, 07:20 PM // 19:20

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Originally Posted by TreeDude

Vsync does not work windowed. It is a fullscreen only function. As is antialaising.

Seriously? Well I'll be damned.. I know AAX4 works in window, cause if I turn it off everything gets jagged; and if I turn it on, everything looks clean and smooth. And on the other card, it seemed to work fine, actually it ran perfect in window mode. Just the FPS was bad, 10-20 (On a 6600LE).

TreeDude · Jan 14, 2008, 07:28 PM // 19:28

Ah, I use the Nvidia profiles for forcing AA and AF, maybe those don't work windowed. But I know for sure Vsync only works fullscreen.

It seemed fine on your other card because your FPS was below your refresh rate. The tearing effect your see is when your FPS are above your refresh rate and frames start overlapping.

Brianna · Jan 14, 2008, 07:31 PM // 19:31

Aww.. well that's a shame, cause I like running in window. Guess I'll only do it when I'm not really ''Playing'' then. I also thought about capping my FPS off at 30 (with the switch; -fps xx) but even at 30, and the monitor at 70Hz, still ripped.

TreeDude · Jan 14, 2008, 08:47 PM // 20:47

Hmm.... I know tearing can still happen no matter what your FPS, but it should be reduced when your FPS are below your refresh rate. Try triple buffering without vsync, I know that helps sometimes.

Also, are your using an LCD or a CRT? I know tearing becomes less noticeable on an LCD. I never use vsync anymore since I got my LCD.

Brianna · Jan 14, 2008, 08:54 PM // 20:54

19 Inch LCD. I'll try to run those settings you mentioned in a bit, and I'll report back with the results.

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Tested it, no dice.

Brianna · Jan 23, 2008, 02:19 AM // 02:19

Okay, I think I might know a reason but I need some confirmation. I'm running a VGA Cable from my LCD Monitor, and my video card only supports DVI. So I'm using a VGA to DVI Converter for it. Should that be fine, or do I need to go buy a real DVI cable?

Because I read a thread, it was old, that mentioned something about DVI being capped out at 60hz refresh rate, but I have to run 70 on this or else I lose tons of image quality and it looks messed up.

Aratak The Blind · Jan 23, 2008, 03:01 AM // 03:01

It would be a good idea to try it with a dvi cable. I thought all lcd used it. I think the 60hz is for single link only. Dual link goes higher.

Brianna · Jan 23, 2008, 03:16 AM // 03:16

Yeah, my monitor supports both cables, it has two plugs; One for each kind.

Well if it's recommended that I try both, then I'll have to obtain one of those cables somehow.. so in due time I'll try it out.

Biostem · Jan 23, 2008, 04:50 AM // 04:50

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Originally Posted by Brianna

Okay, I think I might know a reason but I need some confirmation. I'm running a VGA Cable from my LCD Monitor, and my video card only supports DVI. So I'm using a VGA to DVI Converter for it. Should that be fine, or do I need to go buy a real DVI cable?

Because I read a thread, it was old, that mentioned something about DVI being capped out at 60hz refresh rate, but I have to run 70 on this or else I lose tons of image quality and it looks messed up.

I had a similar setup on my previous desktop; the video card only had a dvi port, but it came with a dvi to vga adapter. I did not experience any tearing w/ that setup.

Keep in mind that lcd monitors do not actually have a refresh rate, at least not in the same sense as a traditional crt monitor does; there is no photon gun scanning across the screen, which is what the refresh rate is. As such, any tearing is going to be the result of the image to be displayed occurring between screen-image updates. There is some other factor getting in the way. As others have pointed out, playing in windowed mode basically cripples your video card's ability to process things, and so you should stick to full screen mode, where it can perform as it was intended to.