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Why_Me · Apr 11, 2008, 01:36 AM // 01:36

To clarify, G0 is the stepping (basically like a "revision" of the processor). It can be either B3 or G0. G0 overclocks better. TBH if you bought a q6600 now there is a 90% chance it will be G0, B3 are steadily shifting out of stock with the production of the superior G0's.

Tachyon · Apr 11, 2008, 01:37 AM // 01:37

Quite frankly, if you're stumping up cash like that for new PC then personally I'd drop another ton and add this Raptor into the mix. Then you can have the OS and applications on that shit-fast Raptor, and leave the 500GB 'Cuda dedicated for Games.

Oh yeah, Ditch the PhysX! They're nowt but a waste of money, space and power!

Blackhearted · Apr 11, 2008, 02:34 AM // 02:34

Since this has yet to be mentioned in any way... Do you plan on putting a 64 bit version of windows on it so you can actually use all of that ram?

Tachyon · Apr 11, 2008, 03:42 AM // 03:42

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Originally Posted by Blackhearted

Since this has yet to be mentioned in any way... Do you plan on putting a 64 bit version of windows on it so you can actually use all of that ram?

I took it for granted that they would be. After all, in this day and age you'd be pretty daft not to go for the 64bit OS when building a new high-soec gaming system.

I'd say that Vista Home Premium 64bit should suffice. Can't see the point in shelling out more cash on Ultimate if you're not going to be using the extra content.

malevolence · Apr 11, 2008, 07:30 AM // 07:30

Thanks for the G0 information both , I took that one right away

, and about the Raptor HD great idea

its 10000rpm , I will look for it. And regarding the Physx card is no need ? if so I will take it out and save some money.

I was planning to have both windows installed , of course the vista 64bit for directx 10.

Admael · Apr 11, 2008, 07:53 AM // 07:53

Yeah, throw out the PhysX card, not worth the money.

Raptors are great, you'll definitely notice the access time increases, the single platter 320GB Barracudas from Seagate are also great, low noise, low heat, low vibration, faster read/write access/seek times. Essentially a better drive!

The Q6600 G0 is/was a good chip, but it's almost times up. You'd definitely want to go with the E8400 unless you're dead on about having a quad core.

EDIT: As for high end HSF, I'd go for either the Zalman 9700 or the Tuniq T-120 depending on your chassis airflow.
The Tuniq Tower-120 is huge, might not fit if you're use to clutter. Here's what mine looks like:

malevolence · Apr 11, 2008, 02:08 PM // 14:08

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Originally Posted by Admael

Yeah, throw out the PhysX card, not worth the money.

Raptors are great, you'll definitely notice the access time increases, the single platter 320GB Barracudas from Seagate are also great, low noise, low heat, low vibration, faster read/write access/seek times. Essentially a better drive!

The Q6600 G0 is/was a good chip, but it's almost times up. You'd definitely want to go with the E8400 unless you're dead on about having a quad core.

EDIT: As for high end HSF, I'd go for either the Zalman 9700 or the Tuniq T-120 depending on your chassis airflow.
The Tuniq Tower-120 is huge, might not fit if you're use to clutter. Here's what mine looks like:

According to one review about the MotherBoard , the model I want cannot use the cooler Tuniq Tower-120

because is too big , I will look for the Zalman 9700 later , cuz now I am out of time

BTW your PC looks nice

specially with that cooler

, I see you have two EVGA in SLI mode, how is the perfomance of a EVGA ?

THanks.

Pasha the Mighty · Apr 11, 2008, 03:04 PM // 15:04

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Originally Posted by Nazar Razak

ok, lets compare the e8400, with the Q6600.
the Q6600 is very easily overclocked, so you could OC it to 3ghz per core. so even if a program only utilates 2 cores, it would get the same performance as the e8400.
But anyway, getting a quad-core would probably last longer IMO, when technology moves on, quad-core multithreading would be used more.
Its not like he's going to wait a few years to get a new computer because the current quad-core CPUs arent being used to their full potential. And if two cores out of four in a quad-core amount to the same of both cores in a dual-core. at the same price, whats the point?

If that's your argument, why dont I use it too? There's no problem in overclocking an e8400 to 4ghz, and if it'll still take a year or longer for programs to utilize 4 cores properly, why don't you get a super awesome dual core now, and get a new super awesome quad core then? Also, most people with good airflow and cpu coolers will get it higher than 4ghz.
I still recommend the scythe infinity as best cpu cooler, but nobody seems to back me up here

What monitor did you settle for?
Anyway, good luck with your rig

zamial · Apr 11, 2008, 03:39 PM // 15:39

Well, my system is near the above 1 by Admael.(btw I have the same case too, nice build)

Just room for some thought.
The 790i ONLY supports ddr3 ram, which is reaaallllyyy expensive and the latencies SUX.

The 780i supports only ddr2 ram which you can get 8 gigs for the price of 1 or 2 gigs of ddr3.

On both boards the stock heat sink fan is garbage for over clocking. With the Tuniq you can not mod it to have a real 60mm x 60mm x 25mm fan, instead of the crappy 40 mm stock.

I suggest the: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835118020

I started with the ac freezer pro and in 2 weeks I will have the above zalman and I WILL smash that ac 7 to pieces before it goes in the recycling bin. It can NOT hang with over clocking it is cheap, hits my northbridge fan, and is the cause for hours of headaches, It will DIEEEEEEEEEE.

Both boards support the new soon/not/just recently released 45nm chips.

I also love my hp monitor.

Tachyon · Apr 11, 2008, 04:27 PM // 16:27

Can I just say that, Admael I hate you! It's nothing personal you understand, I just hate everyone who builds their own PC's and manage to keep the cabling tidy. At the moment, mine looks like an explosion in a snake factory!

Zamorakk · Apr 11, 2008, 05:24 PM // 17:24

If i where u, I wouldnt go for zalman cpu coolers, they realy arent the best anymore.

Zamorakk · Apr 11, 2008, 05:28 PM // 17:28

The Scythe is one of the best cpu coolers, better than the Big Tuniq Tower 120 STANDARD, the Tuniq towers hfs isnt straight, but if u make it staight its the best cpu cooler (with a scythe s-flex fan).

And raptors are old, a samsung F1 almost gets the same speed, and costs about 140 euros for 1TB!

and Admael, I love ur pc

Are that 2 8800Ultras? (the fan looks like an ultra one)

Brianna · Apr 11, 2008, 05:36 PM // 17:36

Those are (G92) 512MB 8800 GTS's I believe, they have the unique cooler.

even though Zalman may not be as effective, you have to think about the SIZE of those coolers you are talking about, not everyone can use those.

malevolence · Apr 11, 2008, 06:04 PM // 18:04

Well , the system I want to build must work for at least 5 or 6 years, I know the DDR3 has a bad latency (9 ,8 or 7 ) , but I believe that in the future there will be better DDR3 options and better CPUs at 1600 MHz FSB , so I think a good option for DDR3 / 1600 MHz FSB is the 790i ultra SLI. Now , I made my calculations and a 780i (with 4GB DDR2) are only 200 euros difference from the 790i Ultra SLI.

I am planning to buy another GeForce 9800 GX2 later to use the SLI-Quad GPU option to use it with the 790i Ultra SLI motherboard.

But if you tell me that the 780i + DDR2 gonna make it till 5 years , that change my mind for sure.

Cheers.

Pasha the Mighty · Apr 11, 2008, 06:40 PM // 18:40

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Originally Posted by malevolence

Well , the system I want to build must work for at least 5 or 6 years, I know the DDR3 has a bad latency (9 ,8 or 7 ) , but I believe that in the future there will be better DDR3 options and better CPUs at 1600 MHz FSB , so I think a good option for DDR3 / 1600 MHz FSB is the 790i ultra SLI. Now , I made my calculations and a 780i (with 4GB DDR2) are only 200 euros difference from the 790i Ultra SLI.

I am planning to buy another GeForce 9800 GX2 later to use the SLI-Quad GPU option to use it with the 790i Ultra SLI motherboard.

But if you tell me that the 780i + DDR2 gonna make it till 5 years , that change my mind for sure.

Cheers.

You're right, ddr3 will probably the widely used standard by then. Go with that by all means. It's just that by the time it is the standard, the prices will probably be closer to affordable than that they are now. But if you don't want to change a thing for 5 years, I'd say go for it. But don't listen to me, I don't have that much expertise on building pc's, I ordered a p5k-e motherboard without checking wether my d805 would work with it! It's really weird that it isnt compatible with a 533 FSB...
Btw, Admael, your computer looks awesome with the whole black thing going on.

Why_Me · Apr 11, 2008, 09:01 PM // 21:01

Seriously, the xigmatek hdt-s1283 will destroy any tuniq tower 120, scythe infinity, or zalman, not to mention being cheaper and thinner. This is because the copper heatpipes have direct contact with the processor heatspreader. Look up some reviews.

I recommend seagate barracudas. They have the same transfer speed as raptors, and are quieter and cheaper. The raptor is only superior in looking up many small files (due to its superior seek time).

Pasha the Mighty · Apr 11, 2008, 09:07 PM // 21:07

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Originally Posted by Why_Me

Seriously, the xigmatek hdt-s1283 will destroy any tuniq tower 120, scythe infinity, or zalman, not to mention being cheaper and thinner. This is because the copper heatpipes have direct contact with the processor heatspreader. Look up some reviews.

I recommend seagate barracudas. They have the same transfer speed as raptors, and are quieter and cheaper. The raptor is only superior in looking up many small files (due to its superior seek time).

superior seek time means that your computer will boot faster, and all your programs will also startup faster, because the raptor can find them quicker than a 7.2k hdd. But, I must admit, I also read a lot of reviews, and saw benchmarks where the 750gb samsung, forgot the actual model number, comes pretty close to the raptor.

Tachyon · Apr 11, 2008, 09:11 PM // 21:11

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Originally Posted by Why_Me

Seriously, the xigmatek hdt-s1283 will destroy any tuniq tower 120, scythe infinity, or zalman

There's only one way to find out!

Pasha the Mighty · Apr 11, 2008, 09:30 PM // 21:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Why_Me

Seriously, the xigmatek hdt-s1283 will destroy any tuniq tower 120, scythe infinity, or zalman, not to mention being cheaper and thinner. This is because the copper heatpipes have direct contact with the processor heatspreader. Look up some reviews.

I hate to admit it, but he's right. http://www.frostytech.com/top5heatsinks.cfm

Admael · Apr 11, 2008, 10:02 PM // 22:02

I'll have to agree with the HDT-S1283, it is a superior air cooler than the Tuniq-T or Zalman.

Quote:

Originally Posted by malevolence

According to one review about the MotherBoard , the model I want cannot use the cooler Tuniq Tower-120

because is too big , I will look for the Zalman 9700 later , cuz now I am out of time

BTW your PC looks nice

specially with that cooler

, I see you have two EVGA in SLI mode, how is the perfomance of a EVGA ?

THanks.

All video cards are the same, all companies buy the boards bulk from the same manufacturers, then slap their own stickers and coolers on them. When you buy EVGA (or any brand) you're buying their box, their manuals, their customer service, and their warranty, nothing more.

EVGA will take care of you, if they service your country, then definitely look into it. They performance of those cards are definitely worth the SLi.

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Originally Posted by Zamorakk

and Admael, I love ur pc

Are that 2 8800Ultras? (the fan looks like an ultra one)

They're 8800 GTS 512, like Brianna says, but my build doesn't look like that anymore. Because it's an old picture (I just wanted to show the Tuniq Tower), I don't even have the 8800 GTS 512's anymore, I traded them in for 9800 GTX.

http://admael.exofire.net/images/ad780ilc.jpg