Curse

Brianna · Mar 08, 2008, 07:29 PM // 19:29

Ok, so I just upgraded to a 320MB 8800GTS from a 256MB 8600GT.

Now, when I stand in Kamadan D1 I get 20 FPS on the 8800GTS, but on my 8600 I always had 35 FPS minimum, it never went under that, ever.

What the hell? I updated my drivers, I did everything accordingly, but the performance of this supposedly ''Better'' video card is more of a Degrade rather than an Upgrade, the only other games it plays better is CoD4 and Crysis, but in Guild Wars it runs like crap.

Anyone have Ideas or insight? any help would be much appreciated, thanks.

EDIT: and Jumping the gun a bit, I can say this video card sucks and I'm going to send it back in and get a 512MB 8800GT.

Another note, further tests have proven that huge cluster-f*cks of people (Huge Crowds) take down my 8800 GTS, but the 8600 could handle it decently, that card performed as I expected it to, not this one.

moriz · Mar 08, 2008, 08:24 PM // 20:24

the 8800GTS has a huge power draw compared to the 8600GT. it doesn't help that you got the older 8800GTS version also. the higher power consumption might be causing it to throttle back, since it might not be getting enough power.

the new 8800GTS has 512mb and the full 128(?) stream processors. if you are willing to spend the same amount of money, this version will beat the 8800GT in terms of performance.

Gorebrex · Mar 08, 2008, 08:32 PM // 20:32

^^Agreed. You didn't mention what size/manufacturer of your power supply. That's an important factor.

Brianna · Mar 08, 2008, 08:37 PM // 20:37

Its the EVGA version of the card, my Power supply is this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817371004

People say they run 8800GT cards on that power supply just fine, it has plenty enough power to run the card it seems.

Also my system has never crashed or shut down on me, so I know everything is getting enough power.

Just let me know if you don't think I am, or something, just really want to get to the bottom of this. And honestly any 8800 is better than any 8600 in respective terms, so I should see the same/if not better performance.

Note: I guess since you will probably wonder if I'm bottle necking, here is my PC specs: AMD Athlon 64 6000+, 2GB of RAM and a 7200RPM Sata HDD.

Blackhearted · Mar 08, 2008, 11:44 PM // 23:44

On that power supply: 18 amps on the 12V rail is a bit weak. Especially for higher end cards. It's very possible that it could be a power issue due to that.

Brianna · Mar 08, 2008, 11:48 PM // 23:48

Could anyone recommend a more powerful supply then? I heard this one could run the 8800 just fine, but if not then I guess I'll upgrade.

Is there any Ill effects of changing power supplies? Will I have to reformat my HDD?

Needs to be around the 60$ range preferably lower, but I don't know how much watts/power you can get for that much, I'm very tight on money right now. Honestly I can't buy one at the moment, maybe if I had to I could shoot for 80-100$ range but I don't really want to.

Pasha the Mighty · Mar 09, 2008, 12:03 AM // 00:03

no, a new psu won't need any reinstalling or anything. For my new rig, which I will get in a month, Im getting the corsair 650tx psu. Its not modular, but imho that's not necessary. I was planning on getting the 8800gt, and was advised to have about 600w, so i decided on corsair's 650w psu. Also, as nvidia is going to bring out it's new gpu's soon, you might consider asking for a refund for the gts, buy a new psu from the money, wait a month or so, and then get 640 gts, cuz i think nvidia might be lowering the price with the new cards coming out and all. Also, you should never try to save on a psu by getting second hand or getting a crappy brand, cuz you risk frying your pc if you do

Brianna · Mar 09, 2008, 12:07 AM // 00:07

Yeah, but I can care less about the new series of video cards, plus mine comes with the ''90 day step-up program''.

Honestly if I get a 9 series card, then I'd jut go out and buy a whole new Mobo with that, and I don't have a job at the moment so that is out of the question right now.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817182032 what about this one? or is that not powerful enough?

I don't know where to check for ''Amps'' but this card said it recommends 26 Amps on each rail or something.

NOTE: I don't care about the stupid LED lights, I just want a cheap supply that gives enough power, that's all I care about.

Pasha the Mighty · Mar 09, 2008, 12:09 AM // 00:09

i meant an 8 series gts, they'll lower the price when the 9 series comes out right?

Admael · Mar 09, 2008, 01:02 AM // 01:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brianna

Yeah, but I can care less about the new series of video cards, plus mine comes with the ''90 day step-up program''.

Honestly if I get a 9 series card, then I'd jut go out and buy a whole new Mobo with that, and I don't have a job at the moment so that is out of the question right now.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817182032 what about this one? or is that not powerful enough?

I don't know where to check for ''Amps'' but this card said it recommends 26 Amps on each rail or something.

NOTE: I don't care about the stupid LED lights, I just want a cheap supply that gives enough power, that's all I care about.

Rosewill makes good power supplies for the price, if the card you want requires 26 combined amps on the 12v rail, the Rosewill 600W will do just fine, since it accommodates 38 combined amps on the 12v rail.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pasha the Mighty

i meant an 8 series gts, they'll lower the price when the 9 series comes out right?

Theres already been leaked information about the 9800 GX2 and the 9800 GTX. They both suck, the 9800 GX2 is two 8800 GTS 512's glued together and the 9800 GTX is an overclocked 8800 GTS 512, both of the 9 series cards uses the G92/G94.

Of course this could be a marketing ploy by nvidia to prevent consumers from sellign their 8 series cards too quickly.

Regardless, as of now, the 8800 GTS 512 is superior.
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Surena · Mar 09, 2008, 01:05 AM // 01:05

I've installed several Seasonic S12II 380W PSU's with a [email protected],2/3,4/3,8Ghz (overclocked), with 4 GB Ram, 8800 GT and they all work perfectly.

The Geforce-9 series are replacing the 8 series but they're all just NVIDIA's temporal answer to ATI's threats, thus you shouldn't expect anything new.

I'd either get a 8800 GT or the "old" 8800 GTX. The G92 GTS isn't worth getting over the G92 GT since it suffers from the bandwith limitation which the G80s do not, and that is noticable above the "standard" resolution, so:

up to 1280x1024 = 8800 GT

from 1680x1050 on = 8800 GTX (280€ here)

resolutions above that = SLI =D

Brianna · Mar 09, 2008, 01:11 AM // 01:11

I'm on 1280x1024 resolution, with a DVI cable (Which I'm not happy with, having problems opposed to my VGA).

I didn't wanna spend all the cash for a 512MB one, this one cost me 200$ without the 20$ rebate, that's exactly why I bought it, and I knew it had more power than my 8600 which is all I cared about, I'm not trying to be the ''Best of the Best'' here, I just want something that can play new games and look pretty without lagging.

Eldin · Mar 09, 2008, 01:21 AM // 01:21

Lots of video cards from Nvidia, despite having higher numbers than older models, are really nothing but rehashes of the older models but with DX9/10 support.

I would simply focus on getting a better power supply instead of attempting to buy a new card, since that seems out of your league.

Also, I use a GeForce 7800 GS OC - FPS is in 40s-60s (depending on area) when just running around, it can go as low as 20 in a crowded Kamadan. Video cards work in strange ways.

Brianna · Mar 09, 2008, 01:25 AM // 01:25

I know, well I'm quickly losing my patience for PC's because it's breaking my bank and every time I buy a new part it requires some other stupid part to support it.

Guess I'll have to go buy a new power supply anyways.. perhaps it was inevitable. If I do, at least I can power up my old PC with this supply.

Admael · Mar 09, 2008, 01:35 AM // 01:35

Can you still return your 320 GTS? Also, the G80 GTX, but it, like it's older brother, runs very hot, and plus, its physically large, only barely fitting in most mid-tower cases.

Here's how my old GTX looks:

As I had to relocate my hard drives from the main bay, to a lower bay.

EDIT: Brianna, your current Antec power supply works fine, since thats 18amps PER 12v rail, there are 2 12 volt rails on that PSU, meaning totaling you at 36 amps. You do not need a new PSU.

Brianna · Mar 09, 2008, 01:57 AM // 01:57

Oh thank god, I didn't want to order a new one.. then I wonder what the problem is?

I just find it comical that an 8600 plays Guild Wars better than an 8800.

My computer case has another good 4-6 inches to spare after putting the 8800 GTS in, I have a Lian Li case: http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...82E16811112099

Anyway yes I can still return it most likely, or use the step-up program to get a better card that is more suitable, I was really just thinking of the 512MB 8800 that has the normal heatsink, not the huge one.

Agent Mold3r · Mar 09, 2008, 02:18 AM // 02:18

Wow, my 6800GT runs GW , BF2, CoD4, and CS:S easily. Kamadan dis 1 gives me no lag whatsoever.

Brianna · Mar 09, 2008, 02:40 AM // 02:40

Well, more specifically I get 50-60 FPS in Guild Wars on both the cards, but in highly congested areas my 8600 produced 35 FPS minimum, 8800 makes 20 or less in high congestion.

By high congestion I mean dozens and dozens of people in one area, it would lag anyone, just shouldn't lag the 8800 as bad as it does.

Admael · Mar 09, 2008, 03:01 AM // 03:01

Ah, well as you can see in my picture above, the GTX only has about 1cm headway till it hits the hard drive bays, in my case. Compare it to my GTS

As for your 8800 GTS, I'm not sure what the problem is, since you're getting 50-60, it seems your GTS is running in nominal parameters.

Blackhearted · Mar 09, 2008, 03:17 AM // 03:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Admael

EDIT: Brianna, your current Antec power supply works fine, since thats 18amps PER 12v rail, there are 2 12 volt rails on that PSU, meaning totaling you at 36 amps. You do not need a new PSU.

Incorrect. 12v rails are not additive. You can load one up to 18 amps but not both. In a case like this i'd say they'd top at about 30A combined, give or take one or two amps. And if i understood what i've read about power supplies before the cpu is usually given one rail by most manufacturers and the other powers everything else(drives, cards, etc). and if that's the case that's only roughly (less than) 200w per rail.