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Bill Clinton · Apr 09, 2009, 12:52 PM // 12:52

Hi guys my connection has been really acting up recently so I decided to foward my ports for guildwars to sort it out.
Just wondering if this is the correct way to do it, thanks:

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refer · Apr 09, 2009, 01:55 PM // 13:55

Uh that looks right, but personally I've turned forwarding on and off and I didn't see a difference at all.

Halo572 · Apr 09, 2009, 02:11 PM // 14:11

That is why the support page makes me laugh, I can build a PC and configure the software but when it comes to routers it might as well be a particle accelerator for all I know.

Does anyone know how to change their router settings, it isn't something you would ever do for interest or fun?

I had to have my broadband support access it remotely and do it for me and he said he didn't know much about gaming problems.

fusa · Apr 09, 2009, 02:27 PM // 14:27

That would only be needed if you are using a server (need connection from outside your network to connect to your computer) You only need to connect to outside to port 6112. So forwarding those ports will not help, unless you're running httpd server. If anything makes it easier for an attacker to get into your computer.

Bill Clinton · Apr 09, 2009, 02:31 PM // 14:31

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Originally Posted by fusa

That would only be needed if you are using a server (need connection from outside your network to connect to your computer) You only need to connect to outside to port 6112. So forwarding those ports will not help, unless you're running httpd server. If anything makes it easier for an attacker to get into your computer.

Sorry, I find this a little confusing. Are you saying that I should just use the second line in my image, and get rid of the first?

Or that I dont need to foward my ports at all...?

fusa · Apr 09, 2009, 02:43 PM // 14:43

Dont need to forward any. You're running the client, not a server so you connections only need to go out. Some software firewalls like Commodo might block the application from using that port, so check those.

Bill Clinton · Apr 09, 2009, 02:54 PM // 14:54

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Originally Posted by fusa

Dont need to forward any. You're running the client, not a server so you connections only need to go out. Some software firewalls like Commodo might block the application from using that port, so check those.

Alrght, thanks very much. And my firewall is clear, too.

So I wonder what it is thats screwing up my connection then. I get perfect connection but then every now and then my connection goes crazy and gives me massive spikes of lag that disconnect me. *is confused*.

fusa · Apr 09, 2009, 02:59 PM // 14:59

Scan for virus and malware. Also be sure anyone else on the network isn't use a lot of bandwith. One other person browsing web sites can really affect pings. It could just be a bad connection between your ISP and GW servers.

Bill Clinton · Apr 09, 2009, 03:08 PM // 15:08

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Originally Posted by fusa

Scan for virus and malware. Also be sure anyone else on the network isn't use a lot of bandwith. One other person browsing web sites can really affect pings. It could just be a bad connection between your ISP and GW servers.

Thanks for the suggestions.its not viruses or malware, I scan for those daily - and this has been happening since I've had my computer.

Its not that there are people on other computers either, I frequently play guildwars with my brother while my little brother plays Wow - and we still get pings of around 150ms.

Its just every now and again the internet seems to freak out and gives me little spurts of really really bad pings (i've seen them go as high as 1,700). This usually disconnects me from the game, and if i'm not carefull I'll get booted from the instance as well - and loose all my progress. But then the second I reconnect I have perfect internet again. It is really freaking annoying, especially when i'm farming or doing elite missions or Ha and get completely booted just to return with a good internet connection again.

Fowarding the ports was my only solution to this... but if its not that, then I'm stuffed.

I do hope its not my ISP. (which is virgin, btw)

Gullible · Apr 09, 2009, 03:14 PM // 15:14

Whereabouts are you? Because a lot of UK users have been experiancing similar problems to you. Check this thread.http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10360844

Bill Clinton · Apr 09, 2009, 03:17 PM // 15:17

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Originally Posted by Gullible

Whereabouts are you? Because a lot of UK users have been experiancing similar problems to you. Check this thread.http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10360844

yeah, i'm from the UK. I'll chec k out the link - thanks very much!

Spiritz · Apr 09, 2009, 03:19 PM // 15:19

i wouldnt forward port 80 if on a network - 80 is actual web access and if theres more than 1 pc in network only the one with that port set will get internet access.
Sadly your suffering from whats known as LAG - we all get it some stage.
I improved my lag by getting a better graffix card - 512mb and tho i share the network with my wife i avg at 300ms ping but once in a while i do get high lag spikes and 1700 isnt that high as i used to get around 9000k spikes on old card.
Lag can be caused from many outside sources as well as heavy traffic within gw ( like events ) , It could be from bad lines in your country ( a firend used to get bad speed when it rained lol ) or even tho you have a high end system you may have 1gig ram but windows is always ram hungry so increasing that may help.Also how many pc`s on the network and what they are doing - eg 1 pc downloading a load of files may cause you on gw to lag spike.

fusa · Apr 09, 2009, 03:44 PM // 15:44

Forwarding port 80 shouldn't affect other people's web browsing. What he did just makes his computer open to connection to people outside of his network. It wouldn't affect other people on his network connection to outside web servers. Either way its not needed and just gives a hacker an easier way to get it.

I'm not sure if your using wireless, or if your router has wireless capability, but you might want to make sure it is well secured. There's always the possibility of someone tapping into your connection. Also if you're connected wirelessly to the router, have you noticed anyone using a cordless phone, microwave or some other device at the time of the bad pings? Switching channels for the wireless connection in the router might help that.

Bill Clinton · Apr 09, 2009, 09:26 PM // 21:26

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Originally Posted by fusa

Forwarding port 80 shouldn't affect other people's web browsing. What he did just makes his computer open to connection to people outside of his network. It wouldn't affect other people on his network connection to outside web servers. Either way its not needed and just gives a hacker an easier way to get it.

I'm not sure if your using wireless, or if your router has wireless capability, but you might want to make sure it is well secured. There's always the possibility of someone tapping into your connection. Also if you're connected wirelessly to the router, have you noticed anyone using a cordless phone, microwave or some other device at the time of the bad pings? Switching channels for the wireless connection in the router might help that.

Thanks for the suggestion, but i'm on a wired connection at the moment. When I got my computer I made out to buy a fourty meter long ethernet cable just to get from the router to my computer, because I thought it would give me a much better connection.

Funnily, my brother never did this - and is using a wireless connection from about the same distance to the router as me, and he only has problems when I do.

I know that it may sound like what i'm experiencing is just genuine lag - but i'm sure its not. Lag witihn guildwars wouldnt kick my brother and I out of our games and ventrilo at the same time as one another, and then give us our connection back at good speeds mere moments later.

Its something that is affecting my entire network and all the applications that run on it. (And after typing that sentence i've just realised how pointless the port fowarding was, I guess i'm just getting desperate

)

Coverticus · Apr 09, 2009, 10:55 PM // 22:55

I've noticed you state that your provider is Virgin. Mine is too and I had very similar problems. It turned out there was an issue with the sub-box at the end of my street and that the signal I was receiving was too low. They upped the signal and everything was aok.

2 ways to check if you are getting intermittent issues - one monitor your cable TV (if you have it). If the picture degrades and becomes pixelated/lags, then that could be an indication you have the same. The other is to do online speed tests which will monitor download and upload speeds, as well as your latency. While not definitive, it may give you an idea.

Hope this might help

Highlander Of Alba · Apr 09, 2009, 11:44 PM // 23:44

A little bit of info for the UK guys with BT

They have now stopped using Norton as there supplier for net protection

They are now using McAfee, So check your email to update to McAfee as this may cause a little bit of trouble along those lines. its actioned from within your email .(From BT Broadband) .check it out

As most guys know Norton always had a mind of its own and now this has ceased and if you have it running this may why you are getting a conflict here

BlueNovember · Apr 10, 2009, 12:34 AM // 00:34

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Originally Posted by Bill Clinton

I made out to buy a fourty meter long ethernet cable just to get from the router to my computer
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Lag witihn guildwars wouldnt kick my brother and I out of our games and ventrilo at the same time as one another, and then give us our connection back at good speeds mere moments later.

To clarify;

The lag effects you and your brother simultaneously. (Never one but not the other)
You are wired and your brother is wireless? Or at least, he does not use your cable?
You both connect to the same router, without going through a switch or hub
You made the cable yourself with a crimping tool.
The lag is random; doesn't happen more at a set time of day, or at regular intervals

A loss of connection followed by its immediate restoration sounds like packet loss. If you have many connections open cheap routers just drop the oldest ones once you reach their limit. This shouldn't be the case unless you're running bittorrent or similar somewhere.

Packet loss can also be caused by interference on the network. The cable you made is the first thing that came to mind. Forty metres seems fine; cat5e goes up to something like 100m, so distance isn't an issue. If you've not used a crimping tool to make it it's possible that the connection isn't very good, although this would only affect you.
If you suspect cable quality may be to blame limit your connection speed to 10Mbs. (Connection properties, Advanced, Speed&Duplex->10Mbs Full Duplex / 10Mbs Half Duplex).
Long shot ^.

I've heard rumours of microwaves (?!) or some brands of cordless telephones interfering with wireless, but that would only affect you brother. (A friend of mine who uses power-over-ethernet loses internet when someone turns on the kitchen lights. An epic situation.)

Perhaps try disconnecting your brother and connecting directly to the net. If the problems still persist it's your ISP at fault, otherwise, your router/network setup.

If all else fails reboot router =). Or reset-to-factory-settings* and set everything up again.
*Be warned; I've come across a Belkin router with a "reset" button that just deleted the firmware, rendering it useless.

Bill Clinton · Apr 10, 2009, 06:49 AM // 06:49

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Originally Posted by Terra Jim

I've noticed you state that your provider is Virgin. Mine is too and I had very similar problems. It turned out there was an issue with the sub-box at the end of my street and that the signal I was receiving was too low. They upped the signal and everything was aok.

2 ways to check if you are getting intermittent issues - one monitor your cable TV (if you have it). If the picture degrades and becomes pixelated/lags, then that could be an indication you have the same. The other is to do online speed tests which will monitor download and upload speeds, as well as your latency. While not definitive, it may give you an idea.

Hope this might help

Thanks for the advice. Unfortunatly I'm not on cable, but this lag isnt a permanent thing. I usually have very good connection, its just every now and then it gets sucky.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueNovember

To clarify;

The lag effects you and your brother simultaneously. (Never one but not the other)
You are wired and your brother is wireless? Or at least, he does not use your cable?
You both connect to the same router, without going through a switch or hub
You made the cable yourself with a crimping tool.
The lag is random; doesn't happen more at a set time of day, or at regular intervals

A loss of connection followed by its immediate restoration sounds like packet loss. If you have many connections open cheap routers just drop the oldest ones once you reach their limit. This shouldn't be the case unless you're running bittorrent or similar somewhere.

Packet loss can also be caused by interference on the network. The cable you made is the first thing that came to mind. Forty metres seems fine; cat5e goes up to something like 100m, so distance isn't an issue. If you've not used a crimping tool to make it it's possible that the connection isn't very good, although this would only affect you.
If you suspect cable quality may be to blame limit your connection speed to 10Mbs. (Connection properties, Advanced, Speed&Duplex->10Mbs Full Duplex / 10Mbs Half Duplex).
Long shot ^.

I've heard rumours of microwaves (?!) or some brands of cordless telephones interfering with wireless, but that would only affect you brother. (A friend of mine who uses power-over-ethernet loses internet when someone turns on the kitchen lights. An epic situation.)

Perhaps try disconnecting your brother and connecting directly to the net. If the problems still persist it's your ISP at fault, otherwise, your router/network setup.

If all else fails reboot router =). Or reset-to-factory-settings* and set everything up again.
*Be warned; I've come across a Belkin router with a "reset" button that just deleted the firmware, rendering it useless.

Thanks, your bullet points are absloutley correct, except for two:
No I didnt make the cable (sorry to sound like I did, I used odd wording) I bought it.
And yes my brother and I are connected to the same router, but I connect to it through a hub (which is use to connect my xbox to in addition to my computer (also, if you were going to ask - yes the xbox experiences this issue too, though it doesnt seem as bad since I dont get completely booted from those games)). Though I doubt whether it is the hubs fault, since my brother goes straight into the router and gets hit with these packets of lag as well, regardless of whether i'm using my computer or not.

Funnily enough, when I tried to foward my ports I had to restart my belkin router just to reset my password since I forgot my old one - and unfortunatly that doesnt seem to have resolved it. But your idea about connecting directly to the internet I WILL try. Though itll probably take quite a while to know whether the situation has been resolved, since I have no idea when it will start acting up again - It'll at least help my identify the issue further if I do find it keeps happening (or not).

Perhaps anyone else from britain and on Virgin could clarify if they're having these issues? (I'm south-central)

And lastly, your friend has it tough, man. Reeeal tough.