Curse

Brianna · Jun 11, 2008, 09:14 AM // 09:14

Soo.. about over-clocking.. just kidding.

I like that case more and more now.. I blame you Snog. I must resist buying anything though. I just paid off my monitor which was my birthday present to myself (and my birthday is still yet to come) Just couldn't wait.

Admael · Jun 11, 2008, 12:27 PM // 12:27

Lets talk about overclocking! ... NOT just kidding.

Dark Kal · Jun 11, 2008, 01:42 PM // 13:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snograt

Yes, slot 0 is FUBAR. Not only will memory in that slot not work, the PC will not boot at all if anything is present in that slot.

Sounds like a good old-fashioned short circuit to me.

That's what you get with all your overclocking

Snograt · Jun 11, 2008, 02:58 PM // 14:58

But, but, but...

I hadn't even started to overclock yet

I bust it transferring it from one case to another. Still can't imagine how.

Brianna · Jun 11, 2008, 06:08 PM // 18:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Admael

Lets talk about overclocking! ... NOT just kidding.

I was only making a joke about how far this has gone off of it's original topic, not that it matters (and it happened for reasons) just thought it'd be funny.

moriz · Jun 11, 2008, 06:42 PM // 18:42

NOW! back to original topic.

my E7200 is currently overclocked to 3.2ghz (400mhz FSB X 8) and 1.250v core. idle, it sits at 33C. under full load, it goes up to ~60C. is this huge temperature range normal? and more importantly, is 60C under full load (with orthos torture test) normal for it?

strangely enough, my CPU fan never seems to speed up. it just keeps spinning at around 1000RPM no matter what kind of load i put onto it. maybe the threshold for it is set higher than 60C, but i somewhat doubt it. it's currently set as "performance" in the BIOS, which i assume that it will always spin fast. doesn't seem to do anything though.

Brianna · Jun 11, 2008, 07:09 PM // 19:09

I'd say that 33C idle for an OC'd chip is insanely good, my athlon 3.0ghz non over clocked sits at higher than that, in idle I think.

60C is pretty rough at full load though, probably not a good idea to keep it running at that temperature for a long time. I'd say something like 50C under load or even 55C would be less scary, but anything under those temperatures even would be more ideal.

Good job though, glad that it works.

moriz · Jun 11, 2008, 07:19 PM // 19:19

idle temperatures didn't change between 2.53ghz and 3.2ghz, which i found rather surprising. to be exact, core 0 idles at 36C, core 1 idles at 33C. under any sort of load, the two will even out. i'm assuming it's because most of vista is running on core 0, resulting in slightly higher temperatures.

anyways, i ran orthos test through the night. unfortunately, windows update decided to kick in early this morning and restarted my computer, which means that orthos only ran for about 4 hours or so. there was no errors reported, but like i said, temperatures held at 59-60C throughout.

the computer is currently running the test throughout the day while i'm at work. i'll post results after i go home. i'm still a bit worried about the CPU fan not speeding up. maybe i need to update the BIOS or something, since i can't even manually set the fan higher with speedfan.

Snograt · Jun 11, 2008, 07:56 PM // 19:56

Big new case, lots of fans, huuuuge cpu cooler.

Idles at 48-54C oO

moriz · Jun 11, 2008, 09:33 PM // 21:33

test completed. here are the results:

CPUZ:

stresstesting results:

updated WEI:

overclock is successful i guess.

the only two problems were: CPU under full load goes up to 61C, and that orthos and dxdiag claims that the cores are running at 3.8ghz, when it should be 3.2ghz. i guess those two programs cannot detect that i've set my multiplier to 8x, instead of 9.5x.

maraxusofk · Jun 11, 2008, 10:16 PM // 22:16

are u using a stock cpu fan? i really suggest the zalmaan 9700 heatsink. u should be able to push 3.2 wit ur qx6700 easily.

Dark Kal · Jun 12, 2008, 10:38 AM // 10:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snograt

But, but, but...

I hadn't even started to overclock yet

I bust it transferring it from one case to another. Still can't imagine how.

Preemptive failure it knew you were going to overclock it.

Static electricity, maybe you wired something wrong or it could just be coincidence. Normally nothing should get damaged when you move your components from one case to another.

Snograt · Jun 12, 2008, 10:50 AM // 10:50

I could understand static frying a DIMM, but not a DIMM slot.

Admittedly, in my youthful excitement, my anti-static precautions were somewhat ...lacking.

Dark Kal · Jun 12, 2008, 10:59 AM // 10:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snograt

I could understand static frying a DIMM, but not a DIMM slot.

Admittedly, in my youthful excitement, my anti-static precautions were somewhat ...lacking.

Mmm, that's true. It probably was an unlucky coincidence. Static is extremely unlikely and you most likely would have felt the discharge. Trust me, I'm not all too concerned about static either when installing new components and it has never happened to me either.

zamial · Jun 13, 2008, 04:28 PM // 16:28

TEMPS GUIDE

This is not a bible. It is a guide. Different chips will very. If you are uncomfortable, or can not afford to replace a part. simply do not do it. It is also assuming that you are using a good heatsink and fan, not a stock hs/fan.

Cpu chip temps when over clocking should never go above 56c at full load.
above that and you can damage the gates in the chips. The higher it goes over 56c the more likely something can cook. Will it cook at 57c? probably not, but the 56c is the highest "safe" temp.

anther tip:
Never use ntune. If your over clock is stable but temps a little high, start lowering the cpu voltages in the bios. Never use ntune. 1 step at a time. You can easily shave 10c off your cpu temp by doing this. When the instability returns, bump it up 1 setting. Never use ntune.
Did I say never use ntune enough?

TIM:
I have only ever heard of 2 really recommended TIMS (all tho I am sure there are other good products out there) arctic silver5 and the zalman version you "paint on like fingernail polish". These are used on the cpu only. ceramique on the rest of the heat sinks. ceramique is non conductive,
arctic silver is conductive.

Air flow in and out of the case:
This is as important as anything else. Good airflow is a must for computers. Typically you should have 1 exhaust fan and the rest blowing air into the case. The box fan test: If you remove the side of your case and put a box fan blowing on high right in front of it, do your temps drop alot? if so, your case airflow needs work. This is a test and not recommended to run this way all the time.

Still can't get decent temps?

Now its time to lap the heatsink and chip. This means taking 200 grit and better to the top of the chip surface and the heatsink surface that touches the chip. Ideally you want as close to a mirror FLAT surface as you can get. Be warned if you grind to far into the chip or get it to hot while sanding, it will be junk.

Well now we are moving away from air cooling, sorry end of the line.
Currently, I have pushed my system as far as air will take me, now I have a leaf blower for a computer. Water should give me a quieter cooling solution, as well as a larger safe over clock. I am researching and building a custom water solution and will report findings at that time. yes, snog w/ pics.

gpu and most mcp temps:
These can hit 120c. Got some bacon? Do I feel safe at that temp? of course not. I added this number in because it is relevant. Always check with manufacturer for temp tolerances. Just because these components can hit that high of a temp does not mean the components near them can. . .

All above info applies to intel chips and nvidia gpu cards. It is a good rule for amd but amd chips have always run hotter stock. Always check with manufacturer for temp tolerances.

Snograt · Jun 13, 2008, 05:53 PM // 17:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by zamial

Cpu chip temps when over clocking should never go above 56c at full load.

Isn't that dependant on the chip? I'm sure my QX is designed to run happily at higher temperatures than bog-standard Qs. I've seen the figure of 64C bandied around.

It's all in the (migraine-inducing) datasheets somewhere... http://download.intel.com/design/pro...s/31559205.pdf

Brianna · Jun 13, 2008, 06:14 PM // 18:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by zamial

TIM:
I have only ever heard of 2 really recommended TIMS (all tho I am sure there are other good products out there) arctic silver5 and the zalman version you "paint on like fingernail polish". These are used on the cpu only. ceramique on the rest of the heat sinks. ceramique is non conductive,
arctic silver is conductive.

Hehe.. yeah I use that Zalman paste, it works good. It better for all the money it cost.

My CPU used to run at like 65C under load and that was pretty bad, at stock speeds, so I added a new heat sink and thermal paste and now it doesn't get too hot anymore.

moriz · Jun 13, 2008, 06:34 PM // 18:34

my cpu fan doesn't speed up under heavy load. i think that's why it can go up to 61C.

could i fix it with a bios update? hmm...

Brianna · Jun 13, 2008, 06:37 PM // 18:37

Mayhaps, yeah. It has the ''Smart Fan'' option in the BIOS right? I think mine does, but I have it turned off, too lazy to turn it on.

That, or your fan is buggered, don't know if that is more or less likely though.

Snograt · Jun 13, 2008, 07:10 PM // 19:10

Also: I usde Céramique on my CPU. Is that wrong? Nasty, gunky stuff, but it's supposed to be good stuff. Non-conductive would mean it doesn't conduct electricity, so it doesn't matter if you overdo it an get a little on other components, whereas AS5 and other conductors will cause a short in such instances.

I hope to hell they all conduct heat ^^