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moriz · Jun 04, 2009, 09:54 PM // 21:54

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Originally Posted by AmbientMelody

No, cancel that order while you can. 275 costs almost the same money as 260/216 but has so much better scores over 3D marks and FPS performance well between 280 and 285. 260/216 is a much slower card, you will regret it if you get it. As for ATI, they are not worth your money. In my local stores 4890 is 20% more expensive than GTX 275 but it's still noticeably worse in performance when it comes to games. If you chip in a bit more money then get 285 instead and overclock it. It has quite good heat sink and better OC limits than 275, which seems high-clocked by default.

define "noticeably worse".

according to this:
http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/16681

the 4890 and GTX275 are practically identical in terms of performance. in fact, in most of the games, the frame rates are well above 60fps. now, you might be one of those people who can actually tell the difference between 70 fps and 75 fps, but for the vast majority of us, both cards are equally sufficient.

as for differences in cost, according to newegg, the 4890 and GTX275 are roughly the same cost. you might've accidentally compared one of those 1ghz 4890 OC models with a stock GTX275. or maybe all your local stores are nvidia fanboys. who knows. either way, the two can be easily bought for identical prices.

as of right now, AMD (since ATI doesn't exist anymore) and nvidia are just about equal in terms of graphics power. good thing too, 'cause otherwise, the GTX280 would still cost around $600, as it did on release.

rick1027 · Jun 04, 2009, 10:05 PM // 22:05

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Originally Posted by AmbientMelody

No, cancel that order while you can. 275 costs almost the same money as 260/216 but has so much better scores over 3D marks and FPS performance well between 280 and 285. 260/216 is a much slower card, you will regret it if you get it. As for ATI, they are not worth your money. In my local stores 4890 is 20% more expensive than GTX 275 but it's still noticeably worse in performance when it comes to games. If you chip in a bit more money then get 285 instead and overclock it. It has quite good heat sink and better OC limits than 275, which seems high-clocked by default.

Agreed. Motherboard is most important piece of PC just after the PSU. Everything else just comes on the top of it. You can't build a solid house on a sand, you need a rock as a fundament.

the reason i bought amd or ati as you say it never noticed they changed it thanks mortiz is cause the amd was on sale normally they cost they same orice thats why i nreplied earlier id go ati or amd as they are called now thanks mortiz but could change depending on what deal i got.id actually say the powersupply is the most important piece in your computer it runs everthing like my mom did when i was kid.

AmbientMelody · Jun 05, 2009, 09:51 AM // 09:51

Like I've already said, over internet shops in Poland and most local stores Gigabyte GTX 275 costs around 20-40$ less than 4890 and it is on par with the latter either slightly (the latter being stock OC-ed) or up to 2-3 fps more. Nvidia cards usually start to shine with higher resolution and details, nuff said. I told him to get 275 because I believe he isn't going to OC his card.

go to this site http://www.chip.pl/chip/testy/podzes...rty-graficzne/

then pick up any graphic card, then scroll down till you see Porównywarka produktów and in 'produkt 1' choose any of the 4890 models and in 'produkt 2' and 'produkt 3' other graphic cards, preferably 260 and 275 to compare. Site is in polish but it's easy to navigate enough. 'Porównaj' in bottom-right corner of main article means the same as 'compare', use it with at least two positions selected. Prices to USD/EURO can be easy converted by using this site - http://kursy-walut.mybank.pl/ - simply divide the price by the values from the table, the one on top being USD and the one below being EURO. Yes, I know prices in your countries might differ, I guess I'm lucky enough with GTX being so cheap but if you indeed wanna OC, I'd go for 260. As for 260 and 275 difference, they cost almost the same for the same brand, unless 25-30$ is much to you.

Interesting enough, since from my experience for the past decade computer stuff in Poland used to be up to 30% more expensive than on your Newegg and other sites.

Ec]-[oMaN · Jun 05, 2009, 03:29 PM // 15:29

At this point Burton can your current card last you till the Fall of this year, if so just hold off buying anything. There will be a good number of titles released in the fall that might warrant an upgrade but no so much right now. Also Nvidia/ATI will be announcing+ maybe releasing their latest batch of new cards then also, when such occurs any current card you purchase now will have a major price drop, all the top models now will be 200$ or sub 200$ by then, no sense buying now unless you think you will get your money worth/usage now out of the top models.

Burton2000 · Jun 05, 2009, 05:24 PM // 17:24

Playing the waiting game with computers seems quite pointless as newer technologies are always being announced and prices are always falling.

moriz · Jun 05, 2009, 07:15 PM // 19:15

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Originally Posted by AmbientMelody

Like I've already said, over internet shops in Poland and most local stores Gigabyte GTX 275 costs around 20-40$ less than 4890 and it is on par with the latter either slightly (the latter being stock OC-ed) or up to 2-3 fps more. Nvidia cards usually start to shine with higher resolution and details, nuff said. I told him to get 275 because I believe he isn't going to OC his card.

go to this site http://www.chip.pl/chip/testy/podzes...rty-graficzne/

then pick up any graphic card, then scroll down till you see Porównywarka produktów and in 'produkt 1' choose any of the 4890 models and in 'produkt 2' and 'produkt 3' other graphic cards, preferably 260 and 275 to compare. Site is in polish but it's easy to navigate enough. 'Porównaj' in bottom-right corner of main article means the same as 'compare', use it with at least two positions selected. Prices to USD/EURO can be easy converted by using this site - http://kursy-walut.mybank.pl/ - simply divide the price by the values from the table, the one on top being USD and the one below being EURO. Yes, I know prices in your countries might differ, I guess I'm lucky enough with GTX being so cheap but if you indeed wanna OC, I'd go for 260. As for 260 and 275 difference, they cost almost the same for the same brand, unless 25-30$ is much to you.

Interesting enough, since from my experience for the past decade computer stuff in Poland used to be up to 30% more expensive than on your Newegg and other sites.

not to offend you or anything, but all you've said is that the prices can be wildly different in a backwater eastern european nation. burton lives in the UK, where prices are a lot more equal.

and really, you are judging cards because of the above, AND a 1-3 fps difference? um.... ok.

Elder III · Jun 05, 2009, 08:55 PM // 20:55

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Originally Posted by moriz

not to offend you or anything, but all you've said is that the prices can be wildly different in a backwater eastern european nation. burton lives in the UK, where prices are a lot more equal.

and really, you are judging cards because of the above, AND a 1-3 fps difference? um.... ok.

this is off topic, but if Poland is a backwater eastern european nation, what is Romania??? The hairy backside of the planet??? (it is by the way too

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moriz · Jun 05, 2009, 09:49 PM // 21:49

sorry i didn't quite meant it to come across so bluntly. what i was trying to say, is that you should never judge a product JUST BECAUSE of the prices in your own country. hell, if i try to do the same, i'd have to say that hagen daaz (sp?) is the best ice cream brand in the world, purely because they are ridiculously expensive in china (and yet, priced far more reasonably in canada).

AmbientMelody · Jun 06, 2009, 07:47 AM // 07:47

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Originally Posted by moriz

sorry i didn't quite meant it to come across so bluntly. what i was trying to say, is that you should never judge a product JUST BECAUSE of the prices in your own country. hell, if i try to do the same, i'd have to say that hagen daaz (sp?) is the best ice cream brand in the world, purely because they are ridiculously expensive in china (and yet, priced far more reasonably in canada).

Normal people like you or me don't jump randomly from site to site to tell the differences between each country's market and if they suddenly come upon something strange, they can only share their dose of oddity. As for backwater eastern factions (haha, that would of been funny and quite right, if you said it like 4-5 years ago), prices are slowly getting similar and I don't expect them to be the same as of now, but drop even more dramatically, mainly because we don't have too many overclocking enthusiasts (yet). As for new chipsets and gt300 coming on October, I sincerely doubt they will add anything to current gt200 line (maybe revised 285 version) and I doubt gt300 will be accessible for the thread creator. I don't know what will be the production costs of new gt300 line but without any doubt they will want to sell a good share of gt200 line first so expect gt300 models comparable with current price of 295. At this point, a person with average budget for computer like me or TC will have to resort to current cards anyway, and as for now both 260 and 275 offer good quality for your money depending on what you want to focus on (OC or just plain performance/quality without OC).

Oh, and UK is not the center of the world. We don't live in XVIII/XIXth century. I wouldn't go too far with categorising europe as west and east, or europe a,b and c. Economic crysis has struck mainly west countries and Poland is likely to get a positive income this year, so I wouldn't go too far but perhaps rethink some things first. 20-30 years and typical eastern citizen will point fingers at you for labelling them a some kind of 'category b citizen' of 'category b country'.

Well, enough of this. TC will buy the card he wants to anyway.

Burton2000 · Jun 08, 2009, 09:06 AM // 09:06

Well my card arrived today and its so much bigger than my 8800

so much so that I didn't think it would fit in my case at first. But now it all works with no problems and it runs super cool as well at max load so gives me quite some room for overclocking.