Ascalon Set for warriors - Guild Wars Forums

Allmightybob · Mar 24, 2005, 08:01 PM // 20:01

How much damage does it reduce?
And is it worth using over lets say Dragon/Plate?

Weezer_Blue · Mar 24, 2005, 08:20 PM // 20:20

go look at the armour thingy on the front page.

Allmightybob · Mar 24, 2005, 08:50 PM // 20:50

Ascalon Set
Level 20

4 Pieces: Boots, Hauberk, Gauntlets, Leggings, Helm
Armor: 80AL +10AL vs. Physical and Reduces damage
Cost: 128 Iron Ingots, 32 Pelts, 400 Gold

Ascalon Set --- Energy +0 ER +0
Armour: 80AL +10AL vs. Physical and Reduces damage
29.3% less damage vs Elemental and 40.5% less damage from Physical + Reduces damage (I am not sure of the exact calculations regarding "reducing damage" stat). I can not compare this set without knowing the exact modifier to damage, but the Pelt cost is so outrageous due to unavailability ??? that no one will consider this until availability or material cost changes.

Armour thingy doesn't know either

Loviatar · Mar 24, 2005, 09:57 PM // 21:57

you use the AL to compare with other armor

too many variables to just say it does so many points of shielding

under what conditions
against what damage
which modifiers are working at the time (armor penetration, hex, etc)

etc

Draken · Mar 24, 2005, 10:49 PM // 22:49

I believe he isn???t asking about how much the AL will reduce the damage but how much the "Reduces damage" bonus on the armor reduces... I don't know I was told at one point it was 1 damage or something I didn't test it out and I doubt the person who told me did either

.

Another question is the damage reduction just for that one piece of armor or total?

Kraav · Mar 29, 2005, 10:29 PM // 22:29

Bumping this

Now that pelts are dropping again has anyone been able to test the exact effects of the warrior's Ascalon Armor set?

1. How much does the armor reduce per "hit"
2. Is that reduction applied before or after your armor piece mitigates the damage?
3. Does this reduction affect damage that ignores armor?
4. Does this armor's effect stack with any Runes of Absorption?
5, Will this armor be worthwhile vs Dragon or Plate.

Questions we need answered.

Post your results!!!

Ensign · Mar 30, 2005, 12:30 AM // 00:30

-2 damage per hit AFAIK.

Kraav · Mar 30, 2005, 01:37 AM // 01:37

Thanks for answering my first question.

Any chance I could get the rest answered?

Thanks,

Kraav

walder · Mar 30, 2005, 02:06 AM // 02:06

Isn't it smarter just to get armor with a higher AL because doesn't armor reduce damage anyway?

static deathbringer · Mar 30, 2005, 02:54 AM // 02:54

there presently is no warrior armor above al 80 and yes the higher the al the lower damage but wit the reduces damage mod on the asclaon set it further redues the actual amount of hp's you take. at least i think thatws what it does

walder · Mar 30, 2005, 03:26 AM // 03:26

Well if it reduces the damage more than normal armor, every Warrior should use Ascalon Armor.

tastegw · Mar 30, 2005, 03:32 AM // 03:32

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Originally Posted by walder

Well if it reduces the damage more than normal armor, every Warrior should use Ascalon Armor.

dont worry they will balance it all out by release.

maybe its allready balance due to the extreme costs of crafting matirials.

i expect there will be alot of different options with armor's and their linked modifications depending on witch style you choose from.

Lazek Phoenix · Mar 30, 2005, 04:42 AM // 04:42

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Originally Posted by Ensign

-2 damage per hit AFAIK.

So is that for 1 peice of armor or for the set. Also is it any type of damage? If it is for the set and only for pysical damage then their is no diffrence from the knights/plate since +10 armor is -2 damage per hit. If it is -2 for each peice of armor then that suit of armor is way overpowered.

So right now if the damage resistance is for any damge then the Ascalon armor will be the best armor. Which makes sense seeing how hard pelts are to find.

walder · Mar 30, 2005, 05:13 AM // 05:13

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Originally Posted by SuperJ24

maybe its allready balance due to the extreme costs of crafting matirials.

I don't think they can balance items based on what it takes to make them because all PvP characters have any armor open to them already, so they don't even have to bother with creating the armor.

Ensign · Mar 30, 2005, 05:27 AM // 05:27

Well, let's do the full workout then.

Ascalon reduces the damage taken by every attack by two. This is applied to every armor-affected attack *after* damage is reduced by the effect of AL, so the more AL you have total, the better it is.

But the real question is:

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Originally Posted by Kraav

5, Will this armor be worthwhile vs Dragon or Plate.

If I'm interpreting everything correctly, the relative values of the different suits of Warrior armor look something like this:

What's unique about Ascalon armor is that the less damage you're taking per blow, the better it ends up being - every other suit of armor in the game reduces damage by a percentage, so it works the same regardless of the packet size. What this means is that the value of Ascalon Armor depends entirely on the average packet size of the damage you're taking.

So this chart has 3 horizontal lines. The middle one is Knight's Armor, to which all other armors are compared. Above and below that are Dragon Armor, as it is worse than plate vs. Physical but better against everything else.

The lower on this chart a particular point is, the less damage you're taking, and thus the more effective a given suit of armor is.

So it's obvious that Ascalon works against low amounts of damage, but you don't get to see that in PvP. You get hit by high damage normal attacks and attack skills, and that puts you up into a reasonable range.

Shields make Ascalon better. If you're an Axe or Sword Warrior, you're going to want to look at Ascalon a bit more closely because the numbers work more in your favor.

Is it comparable to Dragon / Plate? I'd say yes. Against the types of damage you're likely to see, Ascalon armor acts as a sort of middle ground between Dragon and Plate, being a bit worse than Dragon against the big nukes, and a bit worse than Plate against physical attacks. Exactly which you want to run depends on what you expect to see, but after running the numbers I prefer it to Dragon on a chestpiece, provided you're using a shield.

If anyone wants the spreadsheet let me know.

Peace,
-CxE

Sausaletus Rex · Mar 30, 2005, 05:49 AM // 05:49

There are times when man must glory in his accomplishments. When humanity, as a whole, can take a look around and go, we alone of all god's creatures are capable of remaking the world in our own image and here and now we have succeeded and made something truly wonderful. Something inspiring and enchanting. Something for the ages.

Then, there are times when man was wonder at what folly he has wraught. How it could all have gone so wrong and why a loving god allows such things to take place on his green earth.

That time is now. Way to go, Chuck. Way to go.

I am setting you on fire with my mind now. But I don't think this pain will ever go away...

static deathbringer · Mar 30, 2005, 07:55 AM // 07:55

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Originally Posted by Sausaletus Rex

There are times when man must glory in his accomplishments. When humanity, as a whole, can take a look around and go, we alone of all god's creatures are capable of remaking the world in our own image and here and now we have succeeded and made something truly wonderful. Something inspiring and enchanting. Something for the ages.

Then, there are times when man was wonder at what folly he has wraught. How it could all have gone so wrong and why a loving god allows such things to take place on his green earth.

That time is now. Way to go, Chuck. Way to go.

I am setting you on fire with my mind now. But I don't think this pain will ever go away...

rofl laughig to that...

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Originally Posted by Ensign

What's unique about Ascalon armor is that the less damage you're taking per blow, the better it ends up being - every other suit of armor in the game reduces damage by a percentage, so it works the same regardless of the packet size. What this means is that the value of Ascalon Armor depends entirely on the average packet size of the damage you're taking.

So this chart has 3 horizontal lines. The middle one is Knight's Armor, to which all other armors are compared. Above and below that are Dragon Armor, as it is worse than plate vs. Physical but better against everything else.

The lower on this chart a particular point is, the less damage you're taking, and thus the more effective a given suit of armor is.

So it's obvious that Ascalon works against low amounts of damage, but you don't get to see that in PvP. You get hit by high damage normal attacks and attack skills, and that puts you up into a reasonable range.

Shields make Ascalon better. If you're an Axe or Sword Warrior, you're going to want to look at Ascalon a bit more closely because the numbers work more in your favor.

Is it comparable to Dragon / Plate? I'd say yes. Against the types of damage you're likely to see, Ascalon armor acts as a sort of middle ground between Dragon and Plate, being a bit worse than Dragon against the big nukes, and a bit worse than Plate against physical attacks. Exactly which you want to run depends on what you expect to see, but after running the numbers I prefer it to Dragon on a chestpiece, provided you're using a shield.

If anyone wants the spreadsheet let me know.

Peace,
-CxE

you have way to much time on your hands man :P,
anyhoo, there are some armors that also give you a + to one of your main warrior atributes ie, sword, axe, hammer, tactics ect ect, i think its the helm, so mix and match armor dosent sound to bad, id say for the chest ascalon, plate for leggings/gloves or dragon and same for boots and captains helm for the head, JMO

Ensign · Mar 30, 2005, 09:04 AM // 09:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sausaletus Rex

I am setting you on fire with my mind now. But I don't think this pain will ever go away...

AHHH! It burns like hygiene!

Quote:

Originally Posted by static deathbringer

you have way to much time on your hands man :P

Yes. Yes I do.

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Originally Posted by static deathbringer

so mix and match armor dosent sound to bad

Not at all. You always want to be using a +1 helmet (why they even have non +1 hats, I don't know), and taking armor with better elemental defense on your chest, or better energy stats on your gloves and boots, it pretty standard practice now. Ascalon or Dragon chest with platemail elsewhere is standard powergamer practice. Just be careful with Ascalon - while it cleans up if you're stacking damage buffs, you'll be wishing for Dragon armor if the damage is coming in hard and fast.

Peace,
-CxE

filter · Mar 30, 2005, 10:09 AM // 10:09

Nice work Charles.

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Originally Posted by Ensign

You always want to be using a +1 helmet (why they even have non +1 hats, I don't know), and taking armor with better elemental defense on your chest, or better energy stats on your gloves and boots, it pretty standard practice now. Ascalon or Dragon chest with platemail elsewhere is standard powergamer practice. Just be careful with Ascalon - while it cleans up if you're stacking damage buffs, you'll be wishing for Dragon armor if the damage is coming in hard and fast.

I used Gladiator gloves for the energy but couldn't bring myself to put on Gladiator boots. Too freaking ugly and mismatched. Only a semi-powergamer? =P

Kaiwyn · Mar 30, 2005, 09:53 PM // 21:53

Where do you find pelts and cloth/ can you find them in pre-sear Ascalon?

Mar 24, 2005, 08:01 PM // 20:01	#1
Allmightybob Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Mar 2005	Ascalon Set for warriors How much damage does it reduce? And is it worth using over lets say Dragon/Plate?

Mar 24, 2005, 08:20 PM // 20:20	#2
Weezer_Blue Elite Guru Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Just a Box in a Cage Guild: Hurry Up The Cakes [Oven]	go look at the armour thingy on the front page. __________________

Mar 24, 2005, 08:50 PM // 20:50	#3
Allmightybob Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Mar 2005	Ascalon Set Level 20 4 Pieces: Boots, Hauberk, Gauntlets, Leggings, Helm Armor: 80AL +10AL vs. Physical and Reduces damage Cost: 128 Iron Ingots, 32 Pelts, 400 Gold Ascalon Set --- Energy +0 ER +0 Armour: 80AL +10AL vs. Physical and Reduces damage 29.3% less damage vs Elemental and 40.5% less damage from Physical + Reduces damage (I am not sure of the exact calculations regarding "reducing damage" stat). I can not compare this set without knowing the exact modifier to damage, but the Pelt cost is so outrageous due to unavailability ??? that no one will consider this until availability or material cost changes. Armour thingy doesn't know either Last edited by Allmightybob; Mar 24, 2005 at 08:52 PM // 20:52..

Mar 30, 2005, 12:30 AM // 00:30	#7
Ensign Just Plain Fluffy Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Berkeley, CA Guild: Idiot Savants	-2 damage per hit AFAIK. __________________ Don't argue with idiots. They bring you to their level and beat you with experience.

Mar 30, 2005, 02:06 AM // 02:06	#9
walder Elite Guru Join Date: Feb 2005	Isn't it smarter just to get armor with a higher AL because doesn't armor reduce damage anyway? __________________ Robotic Chuck Norris owes you Nothing!

Mar 24, 2005, 09:57 PM // 21:57	#4
Loviatar Underworld Spelunker Join Date: Feb 2005	you use the AL to compare with other armor too many variables to just say it does so many points of shielding under what conditions against what damage which modifiers are working at the time (armor penetration, hex, etc) etc

Mar 24, 2005, 10:49 PM // 22:49	#5
Draken Krytan Explorer Join Date: Feb 2005 Guild: The Exiled	I believe he isn???t asking about how much the AL will reduce the damage but how much the "Reduces damage" bonus on the armor reduces... I don't know I was told at one point it was 1 damage or something I didn't test it out and I doubt the person who told me did either . Another question is the damage reduction just for that one piece of armor or total?

Mar 29, 2005, 10:29 PM // 22:29	#6
Kraav Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Feb 2005	Bumping this Now that pelts are dropping again has anyone been able to test the exact effects of the warrior's Ascalon Armor set? 1. How much does the armor reduce per "hit" 2. Is that reduction applied before or after your armor piece mitigates the damage? 3. Does this reduction affect damage that ignores armor? 4. Does this armor's effect stack with any Runes of Absorption? 5, Will this armor be worthwhile vs Dragon or Plate. Questions we need answered. Post your results!!!

Mar 30, 2005, 01:37 AM // 01:37	#8
Kraav Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Feb 2005	Thanks for answering my first question. Any chance I could get the rest answered? Thanks, Kraav

Mar 30, 2005, 02:54 AM // 02:54	#10
static deathbringer Krytan Explorer Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ft Lauderdale florida, its hot here :( Guild: The Harpers Profession: W/Mo	there presently is no warrior armor above al 80 and yes the higher the al the lower damage but wit the reduces damage mod on the asclaon set it further redues the actual amount of hp's you take. at least i think thatws what it does

Mar 30, 2005, 03:26 AM // 03:26	#11
walder Elite Guru Join Date: Feb 2005	Well if it reduces the damage more than normal armor, every Warrior should use Ascalon Armor. __________________ Robotic Chuck Norris owes you Nothing!

Mar 30, 2005, 05:49 AM // 05:49	#16
Sausaletus Rex Death From Above Join Date: Dec 2004	There are times when man must glory in his accomplishments. When humanity, as a whole, can take a look around and go, we alone of all god's creatures are capable of remaking the world in our own image and here and now we have succeeded and made something truly wonderful. Something inspiring and enchanting. Something for the ages. Then, there are times when man was wonder at what folly he has wraught. How it could all have gone so wrong and why a loving god allows such things to take place on his green earth. That time is now. Way to go, Chuck. Way to go. I am setting you on fire with my mind now. But I don't think this pain will ever go away... __________________ In my day, we didn't have virtual reality. If a one-eyed razorback barbarian warrior was chasing you with an ax, you just had to hope you could outrun him.

Mar 30, 2005, 09:53 PM // 21:53	#20
Kaiwyn Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: BC Canada	Where do you find pelts and cloth/ can you find them in pre-sear Ascalon?