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Loviatar · Apr 22, 2005, 07:16 PM // 19:16

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Originally Posted by Studio Ghibli

You think they'll ever update with quests here and there, or reserve all content updates for an expansion?

they stated additional content would be streamed in as they see fit between chapters so i see at least some new content

Manderlock · Apr 22, 2005, 09:33 PM // 21:33

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Originally Posted by Studio Ghibli

I'm not saying that they would necessarily start charging.

However, if they wanted to, I'm sure there's some clause in the TOS that would permit them to do so.

It wouldn't be good for publicity, that's for sure.

I'm just Devil Advocating here.

You think they'll ever update with quests here and there, or reserve all content updates for an expansion?

hehe, this game is like GTASA it will be all most imposible to get 100% completion. There are just sooooooooooo many missions.

There will be no need for an update.

Dreamsmith · Apr 22, 2005, 10:08 PM // 22:08

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Originally Posted by Studio Ghibli

Losses as in, "Well, this is what we -could- be making if we had a subscription fee like everyone else."

I think you have that backwards. They're making more money because they aren't charging subscription fees. "What we could be making if we had a subscription fee like everyone else" is almost certainly less than what they will make by not doing so. Compare the sales figures for Diablo II against any MMORPG you care to compare it to.

As for why keep releasing content, it'd be to keep people interested. If they don't keep people interested, they sell no expansions, and there goes their revenue stream.

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Originally Posted by Studio Ghibli

It wouldn't be good for publicity, that's for sure.

If by "not good publicity" you mean "cutting their own throats", you're correct.

BlaineTog · Apr 23, 2005, 01:00 AM // 01:00

NCSoft needs to keep releasing content to compete with games such as World of Warcraft.

worthless · Apr 23, 2005, 02:09 AM // 02:09

dont know why so many people are worried about this game doing well...

Let me give yall an analogy. Say you shop at abercrombi and you want to buy a shirt and its $50... you continue to buy shirts for $50. Then brand x comes along and its $10 for a shirt... are you like HOLY CRAP! how do they plan to support themselves they need to sell shirts for $50 to be able to sustain their business

Yes this is a stretch, but it conveys my point. Games prior to WoW and EQ made plenty of money off of not having a subscription fee. Just because games are doing it for profit, doesnt mean that its necessary and/or the only way to make money.

about half a million people have participated in beta events and world preview events to date.

I gaurentee that NCsoft and Areanet spent the appropriate amount of time laying out their business model.

It will work.

Genosha · Apr 23, 2005, 03:12 AM // 03:12

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Originally Posted by worthless

dont know why so many people are worried about this game doing well...

Let me give yall an analogy. Say you shop at abercrombi and you want to buy a shirt and its $50... you continue to buy shirts for $50. Then brand x comes along and its $10 for a shirt... are you like HOLY CRAP! how do they plan to support themselves they need to sell shirts for $50 to be able to sustain their business.

You got it but with a twist. The competitor has the same shirt, material, buttons, & thread. But their label on it. Looks the same, feels the same, even washes the same, plus wear and tear is the SAME. The difference? Where was it made? Who made it? and what type of back bone support did they have to sell it, supply and deamnd.

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Yes this is a stretch, but it conveys my point. Games prior to WoW and EQ made plenty of money off of not having a subscription fee. Just because games are doing it for profit, doesnt mean that its necessary and/or the only way to make money.

So RIGHT, but not a strech. Let's take a couple of instances: Blizzard, IdSoftware, Bungie(HaloPC),Epic Games(Unreal), Sierra Entertainment(Half-Life) etc....Opss more than a couple... Remember that EQO wanted to set a standard, But when you get finished with Buying a computer, Paying Phone bills, DSL/Cable, & electricity. There isn't much left.

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about half a million people have participated in beta events and world preview events to date.
I gaurentee that NCsoft and Areanet spent the appropriate amount of time laying out their business model.
It will work.

To be honest I bet the orginal business model was on a scratch piece of paper with doodles on it and talked about over a a death match First Person Shooter...

(I'd love to know the truth.)

Wrath of m0o · Apr 23, 2005, 03:46 AM // 03:46

Every game cant start charging monthly fees..Pre-Xbox games were always no monthly fee. I cancelled xbox live and refuse to buy anything for xbox again. Software Game companies used to make money selling us games. I dont see why every game needs to cash in on this cash cow. ------G Microsoft for ever scheming this evil idea in the 1st place. Go back to the days of pay for the game and play it as much as you like instead of popping quarters into the machine to play when the machine is in your house !
SRRY just pissed off at the way gaming has evolved into this money making cash cow scam.
If i buy a kid a football do i have to pay the NFL a monthly charge to let him play outside with that football....this is where the gaming industry is leading !

worthless · Apr 23, 2005, 03:50 AM // 03:50

thats why we should boycott pay to play buy getting guildwars

Sin · Apr 23, 2005, 05:31 AM // 05:31

Arena.net seems to have some pretty insane technology behind the 73k client and underlying structure to this. I'd think they can sell the technology too, not like it's gone but more like renting it. The idea that selling just the games is their profit center seems highly unlikely then again, asian countries are already nuts over it.

IdNotFound · Apr 23, 2005, 07:13 AM // 07:13

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Originally Posted by Sin

Arena.net seems to have some pretty insane technology behind the 73k client and underlying structure to this. I'd think they can sell the technology too, not like it's gone but more like renting it. The idea that selling just the games is their profit center seems highly unlikely then again, asian countries are already nuts over it.

You got that right. Just like Id Software licenses their Quake engine to (lots of) other games, it is very possible ANet might do the same.

Sadly, I don't see ANet selling their own game on the website, since all you need is a <100kb download and a CD-Key. I hope they do in the future with expansions. That would be pretty cool. Buy now, play in under 5 minutes.

(I understand most people want the box, install CD, game manual and stuff, but they aren't really needed for you to play it, is it?

)

Krileon Reborn · Apr 23, 2005, 06:33 PM // 18:33

IMO I think they should add a donation box to their website. I've payed monthly bils for games for years and NEVER get what I'm looking for out of it and here comes a company with no monthly bill and has everything I could possibly want. I mean it's not like i'd donate as if it's a monthly bill game, but seriously if they make me happy and supply me with all of this then heck why not donate every now and then. I'm sure plenty of people would do the same. Heck 20 bucks every now and then isn't a big deal for me. This way you can choose to make a donation or not and they don't need to add anything special for people to donate just make it out of the generosity of their hearts. I'm a giving person and am willing to donate to them.

Ok to the point of the thread. They'll keep it alive with expansions. Look at funny EQ2's desperate attempts to keep players lol their down to 350k subscribers. They've removed all traces of seeing server population from all their games. Sony is dead.. I am glad too

Ok yet again I went off track LOL. Back to thread. Seriously they have AWESOME PvP and the PvE missions are so freaken fun it blows my mind. Seriously the graphics make me feel liek i'm playing a movie sometimes, because their so cenimatic(sp?). Me and my GF played for hours on end during beta having a blast during missions. We died a few times and it wasn't a big deal. Deathly penalty is so much better then stripping our exp away. We got to PvP and it was so suspensful. I mean we were grinding our teeth sometimes. It was just so much fun. Hopefully others feel the same, but if they add a donation box then they'll get few bucks from me.

Ya a donation box may not pull in all the money they need, but add that to their sales profits and it's just an extra bonus to help adding even more content for us. Allowing them to expand their technology even more.

(Pardon all my spelling and grammer errors. It's a long standing problem of mine

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Mss Drizzt · Apr 23, 2005, 07:19 PM // 19:19

The expansion.

Say $50 every 6 months.

$100 per year. At 80% profit or more being that the engine is done.

Add 1 mill. people = $8,000,000.00 /year (apx.) REALY BIG INCENTIVE

PtP $10 per month and bad servers = $120 per year.

NCSoft and Area.net will make more money. Their will be no reason to charge a monthly fee. As that fee will be the expansion packs.

You will not need an expansion pack to keep playing though.

Happy customers and more profit with a liesenceable game structure such as the Quake engine.

Yes it is still all about money. They are just going about it much better.

"A happy customer will tell 2 to 6 other people. A mad customer will tell 5 to 15 people and be much more vocal. Keep your customers happy and you make money."

seen in this thread

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=3970

I am willing to make a gentlemans bet that Area.net will make more money than Battle.net (Blizzard). And that their customers will be much more happy.

Sin · Apr 23, 2005, 07:24 PM // 19:24

I don't know who you are gonna bet with, I mean, maybe go to a WOW forum to make that wager. hahahaha I doubt you'll have any takers on Guru.

Krileon Reborn · Apr 23, 2005, 07:27 PM // 19:27

Isn't it funny how WOW players pay for their service yet Blizzard is using their POS Battle.Net service for it LMFAO.. I'll find a funny screenshot for ya here soon.

Edit: Can't find a dern screeny *shrug* was looking for the one where someone is waiting in line behind 350 people trying to log in lol

Mss Drizzt · Apr 23, 2005, 07:29 PM // 19:29

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Originally Posted by Sin

I don't know who you are gonna bet with, I mean, maybe go to a WOW forum to make that wager. hahahaha I doubt you'll have any takers on Guru.

And that is exactly why I said Gentlemans Bet. Say a cup of coffee or a slice of pizza and a can of coke.

Apr 23, 2005, 02:09 AM // 02:09	#25
worthless Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: TX	dont know why so many people are worried about this game doing well... Let me give yall an analogy. Say you shop at abercrombi and you want to buy a shirt and its $50... you continue to buy shirts for $50. Then brand x comes along and its $10 for a shirt... are you like HOLY CRAP! how do they plan to support themselves they need to sell shirts for $50 to be able to sustain their business Yes this is a stretch, but it conveys my point. Games prior to WoW and EQ made plenty of money off of not having a subscription fee. Just because games are doing it for profit, doesnt mean that its necessary and/or the only way to make money. about half a million people have participated in beta events and world preview events to date. I gaurentee that NCsoft and Areanet spent the appropriate amount of time laying out their business model. It will work. Last edited by worthless; Apr 23, 2005 at 02:12 AM // 02:12..

Apr 23, 2005, 03:46 AM // 03:46	#27
Wrath of m0o Desert Nomad Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Boston Ma. Guild: Is That Your Build[HaHa] Profession: P/W	Every game cant start charging monthly fees..Pre-Xbox games were always no monthly fee. I cancelled xbox live and refuse to buy anything for xbox again. Software Game companies used to make money selling us games. I dont see why every game needs to cash in on this cash cow. ------G Microsoft for ever scheming this evil idea in the 1st place. Go back to the days of pay for the game and play it as much as you like instead of popping quarters into the machine to play when the machine is in your house ! SRRY just pissed off at the way gaming has evolved into this money making cash cow scam. If i buy a kid a football do i have to pay the NFL a monthly charge to let him play outside with that football....this is where the gaming industry is leading ! Last edited by Wrath of m0o; Apr 23, 2005 at 03:51 AM // 03:51..

Apr 23, 2005, 07:19 PM // 19:19	#32
Mss Drizzt Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: communist state of NJ	The expansion. Say $50 every 6 months. $100 per year. At 80% profit or more being that the engine is done. Add 1 mill. people = $8,000,000.00 /year (apx.) REALY BIG INCENTIVE PtP $10 per month and bad servers = $120 per year. NCSoft and Area.net will make more money. Their will be no reason to charge a monthly fee. As that fee will be the expansion packs. You will not need an expansion pack to keep playing though. Happy customers and more profit with a liesenceable game structure such as the Quake engine. Yes it is still all about money. They are just going about it much better. "A happy customer will tell 2 to 6 other people. A mad customer will tell 5 to 15 people and be much more vocal. Keep your customers happy and you make money." seen in this thread http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=3970 I am willing to make a gentlemans bet that Area.net will make more money than Battle.net (Blizzard). And that their customers will be much more happy. Last edited by Mss Drizzt; Apr 23, 2005 at 07:27 PM // 19:27..

Apr 23, 2005, 07:27 PM // 19:27	#34
Krileon Reborn Academy Page Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Missouri, US Profession: R/Mo	Isn't it funny how WOW players pay for their service yet Blizzard is using their POS Battle.Net service for it LMFAO.. I'll find a funny screenshot for ya here soon. Edit: Can't find a dern screeny shrug was looking for the one where someone is waiting in line behind 350 people trying to log in lol Last edited by Krileon Reborn; Apr 23, 2005 at 08:46 PM // 20:46..

Apr 23, 2005, 01:00 AM // 01:00	#24
BlaineTog Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: California Guild: Broken Blades Profession: E/Mo	NCSoft needs to keep releasing content to compete with games such as World of Warcraft.

Apr 23, 2005, 03:50 AM // 03:50	#28
worthless Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: TX	thats why we should boycott pay to play buy getting guildwars

Apr 23, 2005, 05:31 AM // 05:31	#29
Sin Banned Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Joint :p	Arena.net seems to have some pretty insane technology behind the 73k client and underlying structure to this. I'd think they can sell the technology too, not like it's gone but more like renting it. The idea that selling just the games is their profit center seems highly unlikely then again, asian countries are already nuts over it.

Apr 23, 2005, 06:33 PM // 18:33	#31
Krileon Reborn Academy Page Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Missouri, US Profession: R/Mo	IMO I think they should add a donation box to their website. I've payed monthly bils for games for years and NEVER get what I'm looking for out of it and here comes a company with no monthly bill and has everything I could possibly want. I mean it's not like i'd donate as if it's a monthly bill game, but seriously if they make me happy and supply me with all of this then heck why not donate every now and then. I'm sure plenty of people would do the same. Heck 20 bucks every now and then isn't a big deal for me. This way you can choose to make a donation or not and they don't need to add anything special for people to donate just make it out of the generosity of their hearts. I'm a giving person and am willing to donate to them. Ok to the point of the thread. They'll keep it alive with expansions. Look at funny EQ2's desperate attempts to keep players lol their down to 350k subscribers. They've removed all traces of seeing server population from all their games. Sony is dead.. I am glad too Ok yet again I went off track LOL. Back to thread. Seriously they have AWESOME PvP and the PvE missions are so freaken fun it blows my mind. Seriously the graphics make me feel liek i'm playing a movie sometimes, because their so cenimatic(sp?). Me and my GF played for hours on end during beta having a blast during missions. We died a few times and it wasn't a big deal. Deathly penalty is so much better then stripping our exp away. We got to PvP and it was so suspensful. I mean we were grinding our teeth sometimes. It was just so much fun. Hopefully others feel the same, but if they add a donation box then they'll get few bucks from me. Ya a donation box may not pull in all the money they need, but add that to their sales profits and it's just an extra bonus to help adding even more content for us. Allowing them to expand their technology even more. (Pardon all my spelling and grammer errors. It's a long standing problem of mine )

Apr 23, 2005, 07:24 PM // 19:24	#33
Sin Banned Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Joint :p	I don't know who you are gonna bet with, I mean, maybe go to a WOW forum to make that wager. hahahaha I doubt you'll have any takers on Guru.