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Mandy Memory · May 10, 2005, 12:35 PM // 12:35

the level CAP is 20 (thats a tippity top limit, not a hey lets raise it every once in a while)

there is king o the hill, its in the tombs (a crag like arena would be nice for KotH tho)

Sekkira · May 10, 2005, 12:40 PM // 12:40

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Originally Posted by Ziniue

yeh more level cap all the way

if people dont buy the expansions then its their problem ^^. every1 being lvl20 will make the game kinda boring I like seeing high lvl people it makes me work harder to get to their achievments

No, I'd implement the level cap, if risen, to be available to all who have the game, regardless of expansion or whatever. Otherwise the game would suddenly become horribly imbalanced.

Sidra Meum · May 10, 2005, 03:19 PM // 15:19

Hasn't ArenaNet already stated several times that they will not, in ANY forseeable furture be increasing the level cap at all? There is simply no need for it. Sure, Level 20 is low - compared to other games... so what? Levels mean almost nothing in GW. Levels are used to give attribute points and added health points. That is all. You want more levels.. fine, they will just make the attributes and health you get per level less then what it is now - this way, anyone already at cap - doesnt have to spend more time out leveling to "reach the cap". That isnt what Guild Wars wants its players to do. They want you to enjoy the game.. not spend your time constantly leveling so that someone can sit back and proclaim how much better they are then someone else because they are level 90.

The IOU · May 10, 2005, 03:27 PM // 15:27

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Originally Posted by Bone_White_Haze

The three major charms of this game are:
The lack of grind.
Rewarding skill instead of playing time invested.
A balanced and well thought out pvp combat system.

Why do you want those to change?

I suspect some people are just used to the traditional MMO approach, press the feeder bar and get your ding. There are other ways to do it (and better, from the standpoint of competition).

We'll be fighting this battle on the boards until the end of time, I suspect. But I don't want Guild Wars to be WoW, I want it to be Guild Wars.

I am lvl 18 and have never done any grinding. I think they have a mission based way the could increase the cap and not even touch grinding.

They just have to make missions 2k or 3k exp instead of 1k. It isn't hard and I think the cap should be increased, it will be another way to tell who has what in the game. Plus it would be another goal to reach.

BTW, there is no need for it because well there is no need for it lol. No monsters to have higher lvls, no areas to need higher lvls. BUT expansions could break that need and they could develop stronger mobs and higher lvl areas to visit.

C-Tzar · May 10, 2005, 03:28 PM // 15:28

History has shown with past MMOs that level cap increases are followed my mass exoduses. Levels are relative, the game is balanced, go play something else if you can't shake the preconceived notion that level means anything.

The IOU · May 10, 2005, 03:32 PM // 15:32

Thanks for your opinion. I'll stick with mine :P

Rizzen Khalazar · May 10, 2005, 03:39 PM // 15:39

I pray that is all and mighty that they NEVER increase the level cap. This game is all about fun. No level cap increase = NO GRINDING like every other MMO out there. SAY NO TO LEVEL CAP INCREASE!

Bone_White_Haze · May 10, 2005, 03:44 PM // 15:44

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Originally Posted by Sidra Meum

They want you to enjoy the game.. not spend your time constantly leveling so that someone can sit back and proclaim how much better they are then someone else because they are level 90.

I think another big attraction is that you can try out a variety of builds.

When getting a new character to 'competition' level is a matter of (at most) a few weeks, you have the opportunity to experiment with different classes and discover which one 'belongs' to you.

Expand the level cap, and you reduce your variability. Longer and longer to get to the point where you can be competitive...stuck with one character grinding to level (30, 40, 50). And the casual player can kiss any hope of competing, or ever catching up to the boys who bought the game in week 1 goodbye.

Just like every other MMO. Bad design, no thank you.

C-Tzar · May 10, 2005, 03:51 PM // 15:51

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Originally Posted by The IOU

Thanks for your opinion. I'll stick with mine :P

Actually, my post contained two facts, one imperative, and one opinion. Even the opinion (the game is balanced) is widely accepted. The imperative was intended as a helpful solution to your problem, which is that your opinion won???t allow you to see that the game does not need level cap increases and in fact cap increases would only be detrimental. You are welcome to keep your opinion. Fortunately the developers have a better understanding of what makes this game great and have no intention (at least it seem so far) of caving to your narrow-sighted understanding.

The IOU · May 10, 2005, 03:57 PM // 15:57

Thanks for the insult, don't think I was insulting you, but hey...

Anyway, if his sources are right there might be in increase, so be prepared. If not, oh well.

Bone_White_Haze · May 10, 2005, 04:03 PM // 16:03

If there is, it's tally ho off to another game for me (where the devs stick to their guns and don't cave in to the pressure of mediocrity).

Spike · May 10, 2005, 04:04 PM // 16:04

I have played way WAY more then 20 to 30 hours and am not even level 16 yet so. So quite how are you supposed to get to level 20 in that time. I don't know. I don't care about the level cap one way or ther other really. I just hope the new expansions have loads of NEW places to explore and quests/missions to do. New loot is ALLWAYS good

New professions would be nice too.

Fenix Swiftblade · May 10, 2005, 04:05 PM // 16:05

I still don't understand why people think the only way to make the game more challenging to high level players is to raise the level cap. There are several places in the game already that are ridiculous for anything but the most experienced team of acended characters with fully developed skill sets. There is absolutly no difference between a level 30 character trying to find a way to beat a level 45 one than a level 20 trying to beat a level 35 one, the latter scenario being present in the game already.

Higher difficultly is not achieved through higher numbers, only higher ratios. And high ratios can be achieved with with one side being held constant.

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Originally Posted by Ninna

theres a level 32 dragon in the game right now

- good luck defeating it

If you're talking about the dragon I think you are thats actually one of the easiest fights in the game. The mission I'm thinking of is Dragon's Lair though. Me and my friend beat that dragon with just the two of us and henchies.

C-Tzar · May 10, 2005, 04:06 PM // 16:06

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Originally Posted by The IOU

Thanks for the insult, don't think I was insulting you, but hey...

Nothing personal, I'm just a screwball with an occasional mean streak. Stick around long enough and you'll see me insult myself at least as much as anyone. And althought my claims that the original post were mostly factual may have been true, the second post (the mean one) was full of biased rhetorhic. Guess I didn't lay the irony on thick enough.

Bone_White_Haze · May 10, 2005, 04:06 PM // 16:06

If you're 16, you've seen (maybe) 1/3rd of the world.

Hell, I hit 19 and had to go back over the early maps for cities I'd missed (several of the coop missions skip you right past cities with skill trainers, for instance).

And some of the maps are amazing, just to gape at.

The IOU · May 10, 2005, 04:11 PM // 16:11

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Originally Posted by C-Tzar

Nothing personal, I'm just a screwball with an occasional mean streak. Stick around long enough and you'll see me insult myself at least as much as anyone. And althought my claims that the original post were mostly factual may have been true, the second post (the mean one) was full of biased rhetorhic. Guess I didn't lay the irony on thick enough.

Doesn't matter if you put a 1000 dancing banana's after saying that, it is an insult

But I'll remember your style of posting from now on and won't take offense, hopefully

Marus Varrus · May 10, 2005, 04:12 PM // 16:12

A Net has never even hinted at increasing the level cap and the point is level does not mean anything if you want a greater challenge they could increase the mob levels and trust me i would increase the difficulty. What does it matter who has what in the game I would think you could take more pride in defeating an equal opponet than from flaunting some +100 sword of crappity crap that only somone who has bought 5 expansion packs could get. A Net has also gone out of there way whenever they have been asked in explaining why there will never be an increase to the cap. Funny how this rumor keeps popping up over and over just long enough for people to go research the archives and not being able to produce any evidence that ANet is even discussing the idea.

C-Tzar · May 10, 2005, 04:21 PM // 16:21

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Originally Posted by The IOU

Doesn't matter if you put a 1000 dancing banana's after saying that, it is an insult

But I'll remember your style of posting from now on and won't take offense, hopefully

Oh, it WAS an insult, just more of a tongue-in-cheek than a real flame.

The IOU · May 10, 2005, 04:26 PM // 16:26

nah, I was wrong. I know your type, but I just haven't seen it in awhile. Oh yeah no monthly fee

/walking away...

Sheriff Lobo · May 10, 2005, 04:33 PM // 16:33

I just read through this entire thread and I really prefer them not to increase the level cap. but if they do I'm sure they will find acreative way around managing to do it. But in either case, what I could really go for in the expansions are new weapons like spears, lances etc. and new professions...that...would be sweet

May 10, 2005, 03:57 PM // 15:57	#30
The IOU Krytan Explorer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Iowa Guild: Guild of Night Profession: Mo/E	Thanks for the insult, don't think I was insulting you, but hey... Anyway, if his sources are right there might be in increase, so be prepared. If not, oh well. Last edited by The IOU; May 10, 2005 at 04:00 PM // 16:00..

May 10, 2005, 12:35 PM // 12:35	#21
Mandy Memory Desert Nomad Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Guild: Xen of Sigils [XoO] Profession: W/	the level CAP is 20 (thats a tippity top limit, not a hey lets raise it every once in a while) there is king o the hill, its in the tombs (a crag like arena would be nice for KotH tho)

May 10, 2005, 03:19 PM // 15:19	#23
Sidra Meum Academy Page Join Date: Apr 2005	Hasn't ArenaNet already stated several times that they will not, in ANY forseeable furture be increasing the level cap at all? There is simply no need for it. Sure, Level 20 is low - compared to other games... so what? Levels mean almost nothing in GW. Levels are used to give attribute points and added health points. That is all. You want more levels.. fine, they will just make the attributes and health you get per level less then what it is now - this way, anyone already at cap - doesnt have to spend more time out leveling to "reach the cap". That isnt what Guild Wars wants its players to do. They want you to enjoy the game.. not spend your time constantly leveling so that someone can sit back and proclaim how much better they are then someone else because they are level 90.

May 10, 2005, 03:28 PM // 15:28	#25
C-Tzar Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Location: North AL, USA Profession: E/Mo	History has shown with past MMOs that level cap increases are followed my mass exoduses. Levels are relative, the game is balanced, go play something else if you can't shake the preconceived notion that level means anything.

May 10, 2005, 03:32 PM // 15:32	#26
The IOU Krytan Explorer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Iowa Guild: Guild of Night Profession: Mo/E	Thanks for your opinion. I'll stick with mine :P

May 10, 2005, 03:39 PM // 15:39	#27
Rizzen Khalazar Krytan Explorer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Salt Lake City	I pray that is all and mighty that they NEVER increase the level cap. This game is all about fun. No level cap increase = NO GRINDING like every other MMO out there. SAY NO TO LEVEL CAP INCREASE!

May 10, 2005, 04:03 PM // 16:03	#31
Bone_White_Haze Academy Page Join Date: Apr 2005	If there is, it's tally ho off to another game for me (where the devs stick to their guns and don't cave in to the pressure of mediocrity).

May 10, 2005, 04:04 PM // 16:04	#32
Spike Jungle Guide Join Date: May 2005 Location: In front of my PC Guild: Kai Profession: E/Mo	I have played way WAY more then 20 to 30 hours and am not even level 16 yet so. So quite how are you supposed to get to level 20 in that time. I don't know. I don't care about the level cap one way or ther other really. I just hope the new expansions have loads of NEW places to explore and quests/missions to do. New loot is ALLWAYS good New professions would be nice too.

May 10, 2005, 04:06 PM // 16:06	#35
Bone_White_Haze Academy Page Join Date: Apr 2005	If you're 16, you've seen (maybe) 1/3rd of the world. Hell, I hit 19 and had to go back over the early maps for cities I'd missed (several of the coop missions skip you right past cities with skill trainers, for instance). And some of the maps are amazing, just to gape at.

May 10, 2005, 04:12 PM // 16:12	#37
Marus Varrus Academy Page Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Alabama USA Guild: Force of Arms Profession: W/R	A Net has never even hinted at increasing the level cap and the point is level does not mean anything if you want a greater challenge they could increase the mob levels and trust me i would increase the difficulty. What does it matter who has what in the game I would think you could take more pride in defeating an equal opponet than from flaunting some +100 sword of crappity crap that only somone who has bought 5 expansion packs could get. A Net has also gone out of there way whenever they have been asked in explaining why there will never be an increase to the cap. Funny how this rumor keeps popping up over and over just long enough for people to go research the archives and not being able to produce any evidence that ANet is even discussing the idea.

May 10, 2005, 04:26 PM // 16:26	#39
The IOU Krytan Explorer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Iowa Guild: Guild of Night Profession: Mo/E	nah, I was wrong. I know your type, but I just haven't seen it in awhile. Oh yeah no monthly fee /walking away...

May 10, 2005, 04:33 PM // 16:33	#40
Sheriff Lobo Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2005	I just read through this entire thread and I really prefer them not to increase the level cap. but if they do I'm sure they will find acreative way around managing to do it. But in either case, what I could really go for in the expansions are new weapons like spears, lances etc. and new professions...that...would be sweet