Drops in Explorabe and Missions - Guild Wars Forums

Malcus · Jun 02, 2005, 06:20 PM // 18:20

I was referred to the forums by Guild Wars Support, they suggested I post my question here to see if others are experiencing the same thing.

I have found since the last few updates that when you are in either explorable or missions with just Henchman, the number of item drops has decreased a lot as well as the gold drops and amount. I have also found that when chests or wreckage is encountered often nothing at all drops. I would like to know if anyone else has experienced this.

I myself have gone thru entire areas clearing out creatures and in all that is cleared out I get maybe 3-4 common item drops no uncommon or rare and only about 6-8 gold drops. I have found this to be the same in most of the missions that I have been able to complete with just henchman as well. Thanks for any replies.

Malcus

Sira · Jun 02, 2005, 06:29 PM // 18:29

Keep in ming henchies do get a share of gold and drops...this includes chests and wreckages...when you open a chest and have henchies in grp and you dont see anything drop from chest...its because the henchies got it. If you really want to test this get a group of friends to help you go through a zone and keep track of everything that drops...then redo the zone with nothing but henchies and you will see the difference. But yes they have used the nerf bat on several mobs drop potentials too

Claymore · Jun 02, 2005, 06:30 PM // 18:30

Yes, when using henchies only I too have cleared maps with no drops, only gold, and I also have hit wreckage to find nothing. This when I use any henchies, I went out last night with a hench healer and myself only and found nothing, tried again by myself and had a blue and a purple drop right ouside fort Ranik, at level 10.

Numa Pompilius · Jun 02, 2005, 07:02 PM // 19:02

Same here, but as Sira says, the henchies take equal part of the booty. 5 henchies mean you only get 20% of the loot you'd have got had you been soloing.

ChristopherKee · Jun 02, 2005, 07:43 PM // 19:43

As of last night drops have not seemed to change at all. I solo some missions for loot (farming). And I can say EVERY mob I kill drops something. Either items or coin. My ratio on Purple/Gold has not changed either.

Jaek · Jun 02, 2005, 07:54 PM // 19:54

I've been wondering about this myself. I solo with Henchmen a lot and it seems like the drop rate fell off. I figured it may have just been the areas I was in.

Coincidentally I actually did a little test last night in Frost Gate.

First I did it to help out a single friend and we grabbed a couple henchmen. Mainly common items, but a few blue items as well. This was what I was used to.

Second I did it with just three guild mates. I was amazed. Four in the party as in the first case, but all were PCs. From the chatter over Teamspeak everyone was getting quite a few nice drops. I personally got a lot of blues, at least three purples, and a gold (Failed to salvage that one though...was a Major Mesmer Rune.)

Most of us were used to using Henchmen, but in this case people were commenting how great a run it was while we were trading runes back and forth based on who could use what.

Finally out of curiosity I went back and did Frost Gate one more time with three henchmen. Pretty much the same as my first run through with one player and two henchmen. Mainly common, with a couple blues.

I've been assuming that there was a possibility I missed a patch message somewhere that something had been changed to encourage grouping with players and avoiding the use of soloing with henchmen.

Anyone else?

Jaek · Jun 02, 2005, 07:57 PM // 19:57

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Originally Posted by ChristopherKee

As of last night drops have not seemed to change at all. I solo some missions for loot (farming). And I can say EVERY mob I kill drops something. Either items or coin. My ratio on Purple/Gold has not changed either.

If you have time try going in with a henchman or two and see if it seems that your quality of loot drops off, not the quantity.

While henchmen take an equal share of loot, that means that an item flat out doesn't drop. Take a look at the quality of the items you do get and see if something seems out of whack.

I'm not saying something is wrong, but I really am curious what other's results are if they test similar to what I did above.

Night Daftshadow · Jun 02, 2005, 08:07 PM // 20:07

for the record, i have not received any purple or gold items when going with henchmen. even with just the healer. i mostly get a few blue items which are useless, common crafting materials, common regular weapons and gold. sometimes nothing at all. while going with human players, my ratio of getting purple/gold items are greater but still very hard to get. im gonna try soloing at different areas to see if they drop better loot.

Rubch One · Jun 02, 2005, 08:10 PM // 20:10

I've also noticed the reduced drop rate, and it's not a matter of the share belonging to henchmen. I've quested with henchmen before with a much higher rate of good drops than I've experienced in the last day or so with the same number of henchmen.

Dazzler · Jun 02, 2005, 08:12 PM // 20:12

I typically solo with 3 henchmen (the two warriors and my friend Alesia the monk). Drops have been crap the past week or so. The only time I find runes is when I do a mission with a full party of human players. If I take even one henchmen (sometimes we cannot find a monk for a mission so we take Alesia), the drops seem to, well, drop off. This is purely subjective and I have not done any hard testing. But I used to find blue or sometimes purple items and minor runes and even dyes much more often than I do now. I hope the henchmen are not stealing more than their fair share!

trackxyj · Jun 02, 2005, 08:17 PM // 20:17

I typically solo and when i open a chest, I'll see 3 items. They could be white only, but there are always 3.

Jaek · Jun 02, 2005, 08:28 PM // 20:28

I think I'm going to have to run a different mission a few times under those three conditions I posted previously and see what happens.

1) PCs only.
2) Mixed.
3) Henchmen only.

I'm also curious if the results would be different comparing a given mission to a given non-mission area.

Malcus · Jun 02, 2005, 09:39 PM // 21:39

Well I am glad I am not the only one who has noticed some sort of change. I have taken some of your suggestions and done the following. I took my level 10 Mo/Me from Piken Square where I had done all the quests in that area already and cleared the entire Breach. This is how it broke down with my character, Stefan, Alesia and Orion.

132 Kills
4 Bosses 2 Dropped nothing 1 dropped 2 Charr Carvings and the other dropped 11 gold
7 Wreakages found 5 had nothing 1 had a water wand and the other had a buckler
Of the 132 kills there were 46 drops

1 Blue Axe Fiend Armor with a Minor Mesmer Rune
1 Blue Short Bow Precious
8 Charr Hides
1 Ash Fiend Trappings
6 Charr Carvings
1 Shaman Garb
1 Idol
1 Tall Shield
1 Axe Fiend Armor
3 Stalker Armors
1 Buckler
1 War Hammer
1 Tribal Blade
19 Gold drops totaling 206 divided among the four characters

Total drops were not bad I suppose but the fact that everything is common other than two items out of all those drops is significant. I next need to try this with a party of actual Character.

Fye Duron · Jun 02, 2005, 09:50 PM // 21:50

Personally I just find that the gods hate me when it comes to drops... Last night during the Dragons lair mission everyone but me got a rare and a dye... I got one crappy purple and no blues

The Destroyer · Jun 02, 2005, 09:50 PM // 21:50

I have noticed the same thing I went and did a run with just alesia and got junk. went and did same run all alone(died a few times) but got 4 purples and 2 gold items.

dargon · Jun 02, 2005, 11:21 PM // 23:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaek

I've been assuming that there was a possibility I missed a patch message somewhere that something had been changed to encourage grouping with players and avoiding the use of soloing with henchmen.

Due to how the patches work in GW, you can't exactly miss them, it's not like you have a choice, yes/no on whether or not to download it

ChristopherKee · Jun 03, 2005, 03:07 PM // 15:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaek

If you have time try going in with a henchman or two and see if it seems that your quality of loot drops off, not the quantity.

Okay, did my favorite farming spot solo. Killed the first 15 mobs. Out of 15 kills I recieved 10 items 1 gold 3 purple. Last 5 kills were money.

Then, I did it with 1 healer henchman. Out of 15 kills I received 6 items. 1 purple rest regular.

Then I did it with 2 healer henchman. Out of 15 kills I received 7 items. 2 gold rest regular. (I got lucky that run)

I then did it solo again and out of 15 kills I received 5 items all regular and the rest of the drops gold.

So, it looks pretty random to me. Which is how it has always been. BUT. To test random out I went to my other farming spot. That has 2 chests in the first 30 seconds of the map (sprint rocks)

I took 3 trips in, first trip in I received 3 items from each chest. Second trip same, Third trip I recieved 1 item from the first chest and gold from the second (man what a rip).

Did the same thing with 4 hencman. First trip 1 items and gold, second trip same, thrird trip 4 items and 1 gold item.

So, to sum it up, it's the same as it has always been in "THE AREA I FARM".

ChristopherKee · Jun 03, 2005, 03:09 PM // 15:09

The thing about "random" is just that. It's random. But people always try to find a pattern. I know they increase and decrease the drop % in certain areas so the "chance for quality" may have changed in your area.

hassoon · Jun 03, 2005, 03:15 PM // 15:15

I have soloed most of the game with henchies,and there is no doubt been a major change in the loot table.I suspect that AN is doing this to force ppl to group as they seem to hate the pve player.

Teklord · Jun 03, 2005, 03:32 PM // 15:32

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Originally Posted by ChristopherKee

The thing about "random" is just that. It's random. But people always try to find a pattern...

I just had to chime in on this one. A little off topic I know, but anyone who's done a decent amount of programming knows there is no such thing as "true" random. There actually is a pattern to everything some patterns are just too complex to accurately determine. Any Mathematicians aout there would probably agree as well. It's kind of like the term impossible; there is no true impossiblity only varying degrees of probability. Many things just have a probability of being so low that it can 'appear' to never happen. I could talk about this stuff for hours, but I'll stop now!

Jun 02, 2005, 06:20 PM // 18:20	#1
Malcus Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Denver Guild: Guilded Rose [Rose] Profession: W/	Drops in Explorabe and Missions I was referred to the forums by Guild Wars Support, they suggested I post my question here to see if others are experiencing the same thing. I have found since the last few updates that when you are in either explorable or missions with just Henchman, the number of item drops has decreased a lot as well as the gold drops and amount. I have also found that when chests or wreckage is encountered often nothing at all drops. I would like to know if anyone else has experienced this. I myself have gone thru entire areas clearing out creatures and in all that is cleared out I get maybe 3-4 common item drops no uncommon or rare and only about 6-8 gold drops. I have found this to be the same in most of the missions that I have been able to complete with just henchman as well. Thanks for any replies. Malcus

Jun 02, 2005, 08:28 PM // 20:28	#12
Jaek Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Apr 2005	I think I'm going to have to run a different mission a few times under those three conditions I posted previously and see what happens. 1) PCs only. 2) Mixed. 3) Henchmen only. I'm also curious if the results would be different comparing a given mission to a given non-mission area. Last edited by Jaek; Jun 02, 2005 at 08:31 PM // 20:31..

Jun 02, 2005, 09:50 PM // 21:50	#15
The Destroyer Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jun 2005	Bad drops I have noticed the same thing I went and did a run with just alesia and got junk. went and did same run all alone(died a few times) but got 4 purples and 2 gold items.

Jun 02, 2005, 06:29 PM // 18:29	#2
Sira Academy Page Join Date: May 2005 Guild: Clan of the Black Rose Profession: N/W	Keep in ming henchies do get a share of gold and drops...this includes chests and wreckages...when you open a chest and have henchies in grp and you dont see anything drop from chest...its because the henchies got it. If you really want to test this get a group of friends to help you go through a zone and keep track of everything that drops...then redo the zone with nothing but henchies and you will see the difference. But yes they have used the nerf bat on several mobs drop potentials too

Jun 02, 2005, 06:30 PM // 18:30	#3
Claymore Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kingston, Ontario, Canada Profession: A/W	Yes, when using henchies only I too have cleared maps with no drops, only gold, and I also have hit wreckage to find nothing. This when I use any henchies, I went out last night with a hench healer and myself only and found nothing, tried again by myself and had a blue and a purple drop right ouside fort Ranik, at level 10.

Jun 02, 2005, 07:02 PM // 19:02	#4
Numa Pompilius Grotto Attendant Join Date: May 2005 Location: At an Insit.. Intis... a house. Guild: Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF] Profession: W/Me	Same here, but as Sira says, the henchies take equal part of the booty. 5 henchies mean you only get 20% of the loot you'd have got had you been soloing.

Jun 02, 2005, 07:43 PM // 19:43	#5
ChristopherKee Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2005	As of last night drops have not seemed to change at all. I solo some missions for loot (farming). And I can say EVERY mob I kill drops something. Either items or coin. My ratio on Purple/Gold has not changed either.

Jun 02, 2005, 07:54 PM // 19:54	#6
Jaek Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Apr 2005	I've been wondering about this myself. I solo with Henchmen a lot and it seems like the drop rate fell off. I figured it may have just been the areas I was in. Coincidentally I actually did a little test last night in Frost Gate. First I did it to help out a single friend and we grabbed a couple henchmen. Mainly common items, but a few blue items as well. This was what I was used to. Second I did it with just three guild mates. I was amazed. Four in the party as in the first case, but all were PCs. From the chatter over Teamspeak everyone was getting quite a few nice drops. I personally got a lot of blues, at least three purples, and a gold (Failed to salvage that one though...was a Major Mesmer Rune.) Most of us were used to using Henchmen, but in this case people were commenting how great a run it was while we were trading runes back and forth based on who could use what. Finally out of curiosity I went back and did Frost Gate one more time with three henchmen. Pretty much the same as my first run through with one player and two henchmen. Mainly common, with a couple blues. I've been assuming that there was a possibility I missed a patch message somewhere that something had been changed to encourage grouping with players and avoiding the use of soloing with henchmen. Anyone else?

Jun 02, 2005, 08:07 PM // 20:07	#8
Night Daftshadow Banned Join Date: May 2005 Location: In the forest Guild: Hidden Shadows Profession: R/Mo	for the record, i have not received any purple or gold items when going with henchmen. even with just the healer. i mostly get a few blue items which are useless, common crafting materials, common regular weapons and gold. sometimes nothing at all. while going with human players, my ratio of getting purple/gold items are greater but still very hard to get. im gonna try soloing at different areas to see if they drop better loot.

Jun 02, 2005, 08:10 PM // 20:10	#9
Rubch One Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jun 2005	I've also noticed the reduced drop rate, and it's not a matter of the share belonging to henchmen. I've quested with henchmen before with a much higher rate of good drops than I've experienced in the last day or so with the same number of henchmen.

Jun 02, 2005, 08:12 PM // 20:12	#10
Dazzler Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Profession: E/Me	I typically solo with 3 henchmen (the two warriors and my friend Alesia the monk). Drops have been crap the past week or so. The only time I find runes is when I do a mission with a full party of human players. If I take even one henchmen (sometimes we cannot find a monk for a mission so we take Alesia), the drops seem to, well, drop off. This is purely subjective and I have not done any hard testing. But I used to find blue or sometimes purple items and minor runes and even dyes much more often than I do now. I hope the henchmen are not stealing more than their fair share!

Jun 02, 2005, 08:17 PM // 20:17	#11
trackxyj Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2005	I typically solo and when i open a chest, I'll see 3 items. They could be white only, but there are always 3.

Jun 02, 2005, 09:39 PM // 21:39	#13
Malcus Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Denver Guild: Guilded Rose [Rose] Profession: W/	Well I am glad I am not the only one who has noticed some sort of change. I have taken some of your suggestions and done the following. I took my level 10 Mo/Me from Piken Square where I had done all the quests in that area already and cleared the entire Breach. This is how it broke down with my character, Stefan, Alesia and Orion. 132 Kills 4 Bosses 2 Dropped nothing 1 dropped 2 Charr Carvings and the other dropped 11 gold 7 Wreakages found 5 had nothing 1 had a water wand and the other had a buckler Of the 132 kills there were 46 drops 1 Blue Axe Fiend Armor with a Minor Mesmer Rune 1 Blue Short Bow Precious 8 Charr Hides 1 Ash Fiend Trappings 6 Charr Carvings 1 Shaman Garb 1 Idol 1 Tall Shield 1 Axe Fiend Armor 3 Stalker Armors 1 Buckler 1 War Hammer 1 Tribal Blade 19 Gold drops totaling 206 divided among the four characters Total drops were not bad I suppose but the fact that everything is common other than two items out of all those drops is significant. I next need to try this with a party of actual Character.

Jun 02, 2005, 09:50 PM // 21:50	#14
Fye Duron Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2005 Location: Chico, CA, USA Guild: Dragon Fang	Personally I just find that the gods hate me when it comes to drops... Last night during the Dragons lair mission everyone but me got a rare and a dye... I got one crappy purple and no blues

Jun 03, 2005, 03:09 PM // 15:09	#18
ChristopherKee Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2005	The thing about "random" is just that. It's random. But people always try to find a pattern. I know they increase and decrease the drop % in certain areas so the "chance for quality" may have changed in your area.

Jun 03, 2005, 03:15 PM // 15:15	#19
hassoon Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2005	I have soloed most of the game with henchies,and there is no doubt been a major change in the loot table.I suspect that AN is doing this to force ppl to group as they seem to hate the pve player.