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revx · Jun 03, 2005, 05:33 AM // 05:33

whats better for a warrior against melee?

Armor Level (AL): 85
Extra Modifiers: +10 AL vs Physical

or

Armor Level (AL): 80
Extra Modifiers: Reduces damage from attacks, +10 AL vs Physical

or

Armor Level (AL): 80
Extra Modifiers: +1 Energy, +20 AL vs Physical

revx · Jun 04, 2005, 02:39 AM // 02:39

anyone?

ChristopherKee · Jun 04, 2005, 06:52 AM // 06:52

chest-legs-feet-head of the 85 Armor and Gloves of the 80-reduces damage from attacks.

Bezerker · Jun 04, 2005, 11:20 AM // 11:20

If you have a surprior rune of damage absorb, then go for the 85 armor all the way.

Indolo · Jun 04, 2005, 10:35 PM // 22:35

I thought the damage absoprtion on the armor (knights or ascalon) depended on the location you were hit, so wearing just one piece of it wouldn't give you much benefit. If you get hit on the knight's armor, you get damage reduction, but if a plate location is hit instead you don't get damage reduction. I could be wrong, but that seems more in line with the way armor works considering hit locations.

I don't remember whether the damage absorption rune affects your full body or just the piece it's applied to.

Personally, I like the knight's and ascalon armors.

revx · Jun 05, 2005, 09:45 PM // 21:45

can anyone confirm that you only need 1 dam aborbing piece of armor for full body to get the effect?

dargon · Jun 05, 2005, 10:10 PM // 22:10

With runes yes, with the armor itself, no. The non-rune specials on armor only affect the area they are covering, except for things like energy bonus, etc. So gloves that give damage reduction inherently, aren't going to affect damage to feet one bit.

revx · Jun 06, 2005, 02:21 AM // 02:21

ok but if i apply a rune to the head it affects everything

revx · Jun 06, 2005, 02:24 AM // 02:24

also another question, reduces damagae from attacks. does that mean reduces all damagae types or just physical?

ChristopherKee · Jun 06, 2005, 06:01 AM // 06:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by dargon

With runes yes, with the armor itself, no. The non-rune specials on armor only affect the area they are covering, except for things like energy bonus, etc. So gloves that give damage reduction inherently, aren't going to affect damage to feet one bit.

Wrong. The mechanics of the game as of now work this way. 1 peice covers ALL damage. It has been logged and proven. The article with the research can be found on www.gwonline.net.

And if you still don't believe it, you're welcome to test it yourself as I did.

So, rune covers all damage and 1 piece of armor covers all damage.

Immortal Flame · Jun 06, 2005, 06:21 AM // 06:21

What? Since when is "as of now"...I think a chest armor piece will fail to protect your legs.

revx · Jun 06, 2005, 03:10 PM // 15:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by revx

also another question, reduces damagae from attacks. does that mean reduces all damagae types or just physical?

anyone on this one?

revx · Jun 06, 2005, 03:11 PM // 15:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChristopherKee

Wrong. The mechanics of the game as of now work this way. 1 peice covers ALL damage. It has been logged and proven. The article with the research can be found on www.gwonline.net.

And if you still don't believe it, you're welcome to test it yourself as I did.

So, rune covers all damage and 1 piece of armor covers all damage.

so if you have multiple piece it will reduce damage more and more for each extra piece right?

Indolo · Jun 06, 2005, 08:54 PM // 20:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChristopherKee

Wrong. The mechanics of the game as of now work this way. 1 peice covers ALL damage. It has been logged and proven. The article with the research can be found on www.gwonline.net.

And if you still don't believe it, you're welcome to test it yourself as I did.

So, rune covers all damage and 1 piece of armor covers all damage.

Sorry, I'm familiar with gwonline.net but I've never seen the article you're referring to. Could you give a link or a hint as to where to find it there? Or could you describe what manner of testing you did to determine it was working? And from your test data, you must've found out what percentage of damage was being reduced, which I'm sure all the warriors would like to know.

It makes sense for a magical rune to cover all damage, but with the way armor is setup with hit locations, it doesn't seem armor bonuses would work the same way. That would also mean that elementalists can wear a piece from each armor set and get 15 AL versus each element across their whole body, which sounds ridiculous. There's a reason they put the damage reduction on each piece of the armor set. If you only needed it on one piece, they'd have only put it on one piece.

Revx, not sure about whether it's all damage or just damage from say melee/bow attacks. It would be nice if they were clearer on what constitutes an attack.

free4all · Jun 06, 2005, 09:00 PM // 21:00

SonofRah explains the mechanics of it. Try a search for his name on the gwonline forums.
Also, since this is so, it seems the best armor you can get in Ascalon City would be Ascalon Gloves (or boots), which provide 50 armor, +10 vs physical, and damage absorption (-2), and the rest the Ringmail set (50 armor, +20 vs physical), all from Corwen of course. Ah, the price of vanity. All ringmail with ascalon just for the damage reduction will serve you better in the game, but lookswise, it looks horrible.

Indolo · Jun 06, 2005, 10:48 PM // 22:48

Wish I could find that post. Tried signing up for their forums a month or so ago but never received an activation email and never got a response about it. Looks like you have to have an activated account to see the member list and I've never found a search function over there.

That really doesn't make any sense considering the other design decisions related to combat mechanics.

Edit: Tried changing my email address again over there and got an activation email this time, so will look through that thread (assuming it's this one, http://forums.gwonline.net/showthread.php?t=347238).

Edit again: Okay that was an interesting read. To sum up.

Damage reduction from Ascalon or Knight's armor applies to whole body and only requires one armor piece to get it. Plus that damage reduction will stack with a damage absorption rune, which also applies to whole body.

SonofRah did some excellent testing to confirm that; the details are buried in that thread. While it doesn't seem to be in line with the idea of location based damge, I have to accept the results.

Jun 03, 2005, 05:33 AM // 05:33	#1
revx Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jun 2005	warrior armor whats better for a warrior against melee? Armor Level (AL): 85 Extra Modifiers: +10 AL vs Physical or Armor Level (AL): 80 Extra Modifiers: Reduces damage from attacks, +10 AL vs Physical or Armor Level (AL): 80 Extra Modifiers: +1 Energy, +20 AL vs Physical

Jun 06, 2005, 10:48 PM // 22:48	#16
Indolo Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2005	Wish I could find that post. Tried signing up for their forums a month or so ago but never received an activation email and never got a response about it. Looks like you have to have an activated account to see the member list and I've never found a search function over there. That really doesn't make any sense considering the other design decisions related to combat mechanics. Edit: Tried changing my email address again over there and got an activation email this time, so will look through that thread (assuming it's this one, http://forums.gwonline.net/showthread.php?t=347238). Edit again: Okay that was an interesting read. To sum up. Damage reduction from Ascalon or Knight's armor applies to whole body and only requires one armor piece to get it. Plus that damage reduction will stack with a damage absorption rune, which also applies to whole body. SonofRah did some excellent testing to confirm that; the details are buried in that thread. While it doesn't seem to be in line with the idea of location based damge, I have to accept the results. Last edited by Indolo; Jun 06, 2005 at 11:33 PM // 23:33..

Jun 04, 2005, 02:39 AM // 02:39	#2
revx Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jun 2005	anyone?

Jun 04, 2005, 06:52 AM // 06:52	#3
ChristopherKee Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2005	chest-legs-feet-head of the 85 Armor and Gloves of the 80-reduces damage from attacks.

Jun 04, 2005, 11:20 AM // 11:20	#4
Bezerker Academy Page Join Date: Apr 2005	If you have a surprior rune of damage absorb, then go for the 85 armor all the way.

Jun 04, 2005, 10:35 PM // 22:35	#5
Indolo Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2005	I thought the damage absoprtion on the armor (knights or ascalon) depended on the location you were hit, so wearing just one piece of it wouldn't give you much benefit. If you get hit on the knight's armor, you get damage reduction, but if a plate location is hit instead you don't get damage reduction. I could be wrong, but that seems more in line with the way armor works considering hit locations. I don't remember whether the damage absorption rune affects your full body or just the piece it's applied to. Personally, I like the knight's and ascalon armors.

Jun 05, 2005, 09:45 PM // 21:45	#6
revx Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jun 2005	can anyone confirm that you only need 1 dam aborbing piece of armor for full body to get the effect?

Jun 05, 2005, 10:10 PM // 22:10	#7
dargon Furnace Stoker Join Date: May 2005 Guild: The Seraphim Knights [TSK] Profession: R/	With runes yes, with the armor itself, no. The non-rune specials on armor only affect the area they are covering, except for things like energy bonus, etc. So gloves that give damage reduction inherently, aren't going to affect damage to feet one bit.

Jun 06, 2005, 02:21 AM // 02:21	#8
revx Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jun 2005	ok but if i apply a rune to the head it affects everything

Jun 06, 2005, 02:24 AM // 02:24	#9
revx Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jun 2005	also another question, reduces damagae from attacks. does that mean reduces all damagae types or just physical?

Jun 06, 2005, 06:21 AM // 06:21	#11
Immortal Flame Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: LA, California Guild: Nothing to Lose [NtL]	What? Since when is "as of now"...I think a chest armor piece will fail to protect your legs.

Jun 06, 2005, 09:00 PM // 21:00	#15
free4all Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005	SonofRah explains the mechanics of it. Try a search for his name on the gwonline forums. Also, since this is so, it seems the best armor you can get in Ascalon City would be Ascalon Gloves (or boots), which provide 50 armor, +10 vs physical, and damage absorption (-2), and the rest the Ringmail set (50 armor, +20 vs physical), all from Corwen of course. Ah, the price of vanity. All ringmail with ascalon just for the damage reduction will serve you better in the game, but lookswise, it looks horrible.