Vampiric bow string, why? - Guild Wars Forums

MCS · Jun 08, 2005, 12:55 AM // 00:55

Perhaps I'm missing something, today I was thinking about it. What is the point in a vampiric bow string.

Maybe the life steal doesn't work how I think it does.

Here is what I think, everytime you attack someone, you get 5 life. If that's correct then isn't vampiric string, even a 5:-1, kinda useless?

Okay so you've got the fastest bow and you're attacking once every 2 seconds. Thats 2.5 life a second, then you're sitting here with -1 regen, thats -1 pip which=-2 hp a second. So you've got what, .5 life gained a second if you're constantly attacking with a 5:-1 fastest bow?

I certainly hope I'm missing something severly obvious.

Anyone care to fill me in?

MCS · Jun 08, 2005, 05:36 AM // 05:36

Bumpified! I can only assume I am right and people paying 50k for a 5:-1 bow string are.... senile?

Anyone know?

Amnisac · Jun 08, 2005, 05:40 AM // 05:40

Vampric anything sucks IMO.

Zealous is much better.

MCS · Jun 08, 2005, 05:43 AM // 05:43

-_- people are seriously spending 50k on these? And less on ones that actually make them LOSE life even while attacking? I've got to be missing SOMETHING.

sino-soviet · Jun 08, 2005, 05:45 AM // 05:45

I personally agree with you 100%, I hate Vampiriv strings no matter what. However, I can see it may be somewhat usable with skills like barrage. Assuming you hit 3-4 things, thats 15-20 life per shot.

MCS · Jun 08, 2005, 06:02 AM // 06:02

I know I had some thoughts about using it with skills but it still hardly seems worth it for the price when there are other mods that could do better. You'd have to be in range of that many targets and if you NEED the life steal then you wouldn't want to be close to them (being close to 3+ usually means being fairly close to one, unless they're in some line or something).

It's good to know I'm not crazy. Usually when I come up with crazy stuff like this I'm wrong.

Crackerjak · Jun 08, 2005, 06:05 AM // 06:05

5/1 just sounds good to people... they don't take into account the -1 regen, which every 2 seconds = 4 life I believe if hp regen is the same as degen... Zealous isn't that great either... My favorite is armor penetration string now, a critical armor penetration shot is just insane.... 1XX base dmg + skill dmg.

dargon · Jun 08, 2005, 06:10 AM // 06:10

Vamp with a good barrage is a nice quick heal, but thats why you have 4 weapon slots, simply swap out the bow for a different one when it's nolonger advantageous. Furthermore, while it doesn't show as damage, I believe that 1 - 5 life comes directly off the mob you hit.

MCS · Jun 08, 2005, 06:12 AM // 06:12

Zealous is fine if you're attacking a lot and have something to switch to when you're not because you've already got regen you don't actually LOSE mana every second. Also the fact that a pip of energy regen is 1/3 mana per second while the steal is 1/2 per second (with a 2 second bow). You lose 2/6th but you gain 3/6th for an actual raise of 1/6th which is really only half a pip but it can really help if you're using a lot of mana or are, like with vampiric, using barrage.

Barrage with expertise would literally allow you to use barrage every attack and still be gaining mana, assuming there is enough targets.

Dargan like I said, the problem with that is if you NEED the heal you probably don't want to be close enough to hit that many targets.

shady_knife · Jun 08, 2005, 06:41 AM // 06:41

i have a 5/1 vampuric moon bow, they attack every 1.8 secs, its also +5 damage that skips all armour and shit, and i only use it when i feel like puttin in some extra damage, on the other hand have a 1/1 zealous long bow for shooting mofo's that are far away.... 5/1 works well IMO.

mind you i didnt buy the upgrade..... i picked it up on the gates to kryta mission..... the only weapon i hav bought with this char was the half moon, which cost me 3k, its max damage and adds 20hp... which helps with the -1 factor.

Mandy Memory · Jun 08, 2005, 06:43 AM // 06:43

you fail to see that it steals 5 health from that foe...dealing 5 extra damage every hit...which can really start to add up to a lot of added damage

Jun 08, 2005, 12:21 PM // 12:21

like others have said, it's +5 extra damage that skips all manners of damage reduction. Over time it's starts to add up. In 30 seconds, a vampiric shortbow will hit about 16 times doing 80 damage alone from life stealing. Add in Tiger's Fury and you'd be doing sickening stuff

vanriku · Jun 08, 2005, 12:27 PM // 12:27

I suppose when you are a Necro/Ranger or Ranger/Necro you were srewed to begin with, so why rock the boat?

Fate · Jun 08, 2005, 12:32 PM // 12:32

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Originally Posted by vanriku

I suppose when you are a Necro/Ranger or Ranger/Necro you were srewed to begin with, so why rock the boat?

There is nothing wrong with that class combo...

The only combo I strognly have a problem with is Em/W. That's just plain dumb.

Akilles · Jun 08, 2005, 12:44 PM // 12:44

what about the poisioners? that is life stealing isnt it?

dargon · Jun 08, 2005, 12:46 PM // 12:46

No, poison is life degeneration. A poisoners string simply prolongs the effect of poison on a mob. You don't get a bonus from a mob being poisoned (other than their HP decreasing automagically over time).

Bazooka · Jun 08, 2005, 01:36 PM // 13:36

...because there are ranger skills that exploit both fire rate and arrow speed.

JoDiamonds · Jun 08, 2005, 02:23 PM // 14:23

Also, regarding vampiric weapons in general: There are skills that allow you do deal damage to multiple enemies at once. I believe that vampiric will leech life off of ALL of them when this happens.

At least, that's how it works with the vampiric Axe my warrior has. I use Cyclone attack to hit everyone nearby, and the numbers (and my health!) clearly show that I'm whacking everyone nearby for extra damage and gaining extra life.

And as noted, other skills can increase your rate of fire, which obviously makes this better.

So, if you can pull that off, it's great. As others have mentioned, it's a good reason to have multiple weapons of a type ready in your weapon sets. Don't wander around holding a vampiric weapon, only equip it when you are actually going to use it.

MCS · Jun 08, 2005, 03:23 PM // 15:23

-_-

Quote:

its also +5 damage that skips all armour and shit

I'll accept this as a valid reason, thanks.

Has anyone PROVED that this is how it works, do you just do 5 more damage on every attack, or normal then another +5 shows up (like ignite shot), or does nothing appear to happen except you do 5 more.

Shmash Witdaclub · Jun 08, 2005, 03:41 PM // 15:41

yeah, that is how it works

Jun 08, 2005, 12:55 AM // 00:55	#1
MCS Banned Join Date: May 2005	Vampiric bow string, why? Perhaps I'm missing something, today I was thinking about it. What is the point in a vampiric bow string. Maybe the life steal doesn't work how I think it does. Here is what I think, everytime you attack someone, you get 5 life. If that's correct then isn't vampiric string, even a 5:-1, kinda useless? Okay so you've got the fastest bow and you're attacking once every 2 seconds. Thats 2.5 life a second, then you're sitting here with -1 regen, thats -1 pip which=-2 hp a second. So you've got what, .5 life gained a second if you're constantly attacking with a 5:-1 fastest bow? I certainly hope I'm missing something severly obvious. Anyone care to fill me in?

Jun 08, 2005, 05:36 AM // 05:36	#2
MCS Banned Join Date: May 2005	Bumpified! I can only assume I am right and people paying 50k for a 5:-1 bow string are.... senile? Anyone know?

Jun 08, 2005, 05:40 AM // 05:40	#3
Amnisac Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Marhan's Grotto Guild: Running Makes It Worse [Run] Profession: R/E	Vampric anything sucks IMO. Zealous is much better.

Jun 08, 2005, 05:43 AM // 05:43	#4
MCS Banned Join Date: May 2005	-_- people are seriously spending 50k on these? And less on ones that actually make them LOSE life even while attacking? I've got to be missing SOMETHING.

Jun 08, 2005, 05:45 AM // 05:45	#5
sino-soviet Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Israel before, CA now. Profession: R/Me	I personally agree with you 100%, I hate Vampiriv strings no matter what. However, I can see it may be somewhat usable with skills like barrage. Assuming you hit 3-4 things, thats 15-20 life per shot.

Jun 08, 2005, 06:02 AM // 06:02	#6
MCS Banned Join Date: May 2005	I know I had some thoughts about using it with skills but it still hardly seems worth it for the price when there are other mods that could do better. You'd have to be in range of that many targets and if you NEED the life steal then you wouldn't want to be close to them (being close to 3+ usually means being fairly close to one, unless they're in some line or something). It's good to know I'm not crazy. Usually when I come up with crazy stuff like this I'm wrong.

Jun 08, 2005, 06:05 AM // 06:05	#7
Crackerjak Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Apr 2005	5/1 just sounds good to people... they don't take into account the -1 regen, which every 2 seconds = 4 life I believe if hp regen is the same as degen... Zealous isn't that great either... My favorite is armor penetration string now, a critical armor penetration shot is just insane.... 1XX base dmg + skill dmg.

Jun 08, 2005, 06:10 AM // 06:10	#8
dargon Furnace Stoker Join Date: May 2005 Guild: The Seraphim Knights [TSK] Profession: R/	Vamp with a good barrage is a nice quick heal, but thats why you have 4 weapon slots, simply swap out the bow for a different one when it's nolonger advantageous. Furthermore, while it doesn't show as damage, I believe that 1 - 5 life comes directly off the mob you hit.

Jun 08, 2005, 06:12 AM // 06:12	#9
MCS Banned Join Date: May 2005	Zealous is fine if you're attacking a lot and have something to switch to when you're not because you've already got regen you don't actually LOSE mana every second. Also the fact that a pip of energy regen is 1/3 mana per second while the steal is 1/2 per second (with a 2 second bow). You lose 2/6th but you gain 3/6th for an actual raise of 1/6th which is really only half a pip but it can really help if you're using a lot of mana or are, like with vampiric, using barrage. Barrage with expertise would literally allow you to use barrage every attack and still be gaining mana, assuming there is enough targets. Dargan like I said, the problem with that is if you NEED the heal you probably don't want to be close enough to hit that many targets.

Jun 08, 2005, 06:41 AM // 06:41	#10
shady_knife Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Australia, Victoria Profession: R/E	i have a 5/1 vampuric moon bow, they attack every 1.8 secs, its also +5 damage that skips all armour and shit, and i only use it when i feel like puttin in some extra damage, on the other hand have a 1/1 zealous long bow for shooting mofo's that are far away.... 5/1 works well IMO. mind you i didnt buy the upgrade..... i picked it up on the gates to kryta mission..... the only weapon i hav bought with this char was the half moon, which cost me 3k, its max damage and adds 20hp... which helps with the -1 factor.

Jun 08, 2005, 06:43 AM // 06:43	#11
Mandy Memory Desert Nomad Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Guild: Xen of Sigils [XoO] Profession: W/	you fail to see that it steals 5 health from that foe...dealing 5 extra damage every hit...which can really start to add up to a lot of added damage

Jun 08, 2005, 12:21 PM // 12:21	#12
Blackace Guest	like others have said, it's +5 extra damage that skips all manners of damage reduction. Over time it's starts to add up. In 30 seconds, a vampiric shortbow will hit about 16 times doing 80 damage alone from life stealing. Add in Tiger's Fury and you'd be doing sickening stuff

Jun 08, 2005, 12:27 PM // 12:27	#13
vanriku Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2005 Location: Connecticut Guild: Chaotic Destiny (Leader) Profession: Me/Mo	I suppose when you are a Necro/Ranger or Ranger/Necro you were srewed to begin with, so why rock the boat?

Jun 08, 2005, 12:44 PM // 12:44	#15
Akilles Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Guild: Brothers of the Jade	what about the poisioners? that is life stealing isnt it?

Jun 08, 2005, 12:46 PM // 12:46	#16
dargon Furnace Stoker Join Date: May 2005 Guild: The Seraphim Knights [TSK] Profession: R/	No, poison is life degeneration. A poisoners string simply prolongs the effect of poison on a mob. You don't get a bonus from a mob being poisoned (other than their HP decreasing automagically over time).

Jun 08, 2005, 01:36 PM // 13:36	#17
Bazooka Academy Page Join Date: May 2005	...because there are ranger skills that exploit both fire rate and arrow speed.

Jun 08, 2005, 02:23 PM // 14:23	#18
JoDiamonds Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New England	Also, regarding vampiric weapons in general: There are skills that allow you do deal damage to multiple enemies at once. I believe that vampiric will leech life off of ALL of them when this happens. At least, that's how it works with the vampiric Axe my warrior has. I use Cyclone attack to hit everyone nearby, and the numbers (and my health!) clearly show that I'm whacking everyone nearby for extra damage and gaining extra life. And as noted, other skills can increase your rate of fire, which obviously makes this better. So, if you can pull that off, it's great. As others have mentioned, it's a good reason to have multiple weapons of a type ready in your weapon sets. Don't wander around holding a vampiric weapon, only equip it when you are actually going to use it.

Jun 08, 2005, 03:41 PM // 15:41	#20
Shmash Witdaclub Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005 Profession: W/E	yeah, that is how it works