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Got Choo · May 25, 2005, 04:53 AM // 04:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by OvertheHill

Why does monk mirror image wield axe and bow?

It's one thing to make a task challenging. It's another to warp the ArenaNet system of characters and combat to do make a task nearly impossible.

I run a healing monk. Imagine my surprise to find the "mirror image" of my all Divine/Healing Monk was an battleaxe/longbow wielding berzerker who looks like "Venom" and also happens to who cast all my holy spells as well as I do.

If you take a look in the player areas, you will find you already have a dreadfully tough time getting people to play monk characters. Getting them to play healer monks is even more difficult. Putting a razor-wire covered barrier surrounded by mines immediately before Ascension for charaters like mine who are willing to run around diving and dodging playing a non-combat role in a combat-oriented game is completely counter-intuitive. If you want to make sure you have nothing but Warrior/Monks running around in your Post-Ascension areas, keep doing silly things like giving huge advantages to heavily-armed characters in your content.

So... are you going to fix this quickly, or should we all quit trying to play anything but Warrior/Monks?

Wow, almost the same exact thing I was thinking when i had to face my so called "mirror". I spent a long time making a healing/prtection monk. It was a very very effective healer. The mirror forced me to change to a smitting monk to defeat him. I didn't want a smiting monk

pHobac · May 25, 2005, 06:16 AM // 06:16

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Originally Posted by Xight

I wonder if you can fill your bar up with useless enchants/spells with no uses. Like Balthasar's Spirit (what's the point of having mana when you can't use it), remove hex, vigorous spirit? (the enchantment that increases your max hp), mend condition etc etc.

My character is a Necromancer/Monk. Wonder if the mirror takes sacrifice damage etc. Would be funny to give it only sacrifice hp spells, and watch it kill itself from the costs. Does anyone know if this can be done? I guess I should go use the 'search feature'.

-EDIT-
I guess it could be done that way. Someone said dumb ai, and I guess it truely would be dumb if it uses all useless sacrifice skills.

You most certainly can. Thats how I beat my mirror. It wont quite kill itself, but it does do alot of damage to itself. I used plague touch, chiblains, signet of agony, defile flesh, death nova, malign intervention, and dark pact.

I would poisin myself with chiblains, then plague touch it onto him, bleed myself with signet of agony, then plague touch it onto him. Then just plague touch for the rest of the match. He will plague touch conditions to you and you just touch them right back. He will also occasionally use dark pact, which hurts him more than it will you.

And near the end of the fight, it will start to look bad for you, he will have more hp left than you and you will be loosing the fight. When he will take a break to cast malign intervention on you because you are close to dying. Then he will cast death nova on himself because HE is close to dying.

Then you get the fun cutscene. You die from the death nova, and a bone horror comes out of your body, from the malign intervention, as you are simultaniously ressed. Then the bone horror attacks you for the rest of the cutscene. I love it.

Skrilling · May 25, 2005, 06:33 AM // 06:33

I have to say that the fight isn't about twitch skills, its all about intelect. Both my fights so far have been done in under 15 sec. My first fight was with a W/N, my second with a E/Mo. With the W/N, i just put on a bunch of sacrifice health spells, an low and behold, he just about killed himself. I finnished the last of him in 2 hits. My second fight went faster, i put on armor of frost, meteor shower, and a couple quick fire spells. He imediatly put the armor on giving him a negative to fire, and i showered him. You just have to see what spells would be potentialy really stupid together and count on him to do it.

Tormunda · May 25, 2005, 07:28 AM // 07:28

Balthazar's Sprit and Divine Boon.

No need for smiting. No need for 2nd profession.

A healer Monk can take down the mirror with no problems at all in less than 10 seconds.
Forget the axe and bow - You can wield them if you want! Anyone can! Just doesn't mean you are going to be good at them!

Saya · May 25, 2005, 09:18 PM // 21:18

As mentioned by Jana, who used only "Bane Signet & Healing Breeze", I tried a similar approach with the addition of empathy (mes skill) and that smiting prayers AoE skill and was able to defeat the mirror in about 1 minute.
Since it kept on spamming empathy on me as well, I could only use the skills to attack, but the added empathy did the trick - especially when the mirror uses the bow to attack.

RitchDavis · May 25, 2005, 09:39 PM // 21:39

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Originally Posted by Maegi

I posted how a monk/anything can beat his mirror.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ghlight=mirror
It does involve changing your attrib to smite and divine favor, which you should already have as a healing monk, so the only change would be adding to smite.
Thats how you can beat it. If you're saying you're too stubborn to try a different build to beat one facet of the game and then chnge right back to straight up healer, then I'm sorry, I can't help you dude.

Maigi ... the combo mentioned in thlinked article worked AWESOME ... beat my mirror in only a few seconds with nothing but my staff ... didn't even fire off Bane Sig once.

Thanks!

Game Name: Saint Gilead, M/E, Now ascended

Horogan Sivoris · May 25, 2005, 11:03 PM // 23:03

Alright, I'm to tired to read the entire thread, but I'll post my two cents on the matter.

Quote:

Originally Posted by OvertheHill

I didn't see a word about a "Defeat Venom" quest. This is the defeat "mirror-image" quest. If you can show me a single monk character played by a single ArenaNet/NCSoft customer that is capable of wielding a bow or axe, I'll withdraw the point....

...humdeedumdeedum...

...still waiting...

Gee... you can't, can you? Why... because there are no monks that can wield axes or bows.

I think you need to sit back and think about something. It's a Mirror self. Not a mirror equipment. It mirrors you, as a "person" not you're weapons. It is still an entirely differen't entity from you, it is not bound to your life style.

Quote:

Originally Posted by OvertheHill

Also... I do not run a smite monk. I run a healing monk. I've been told I have that option. I've been told by a whole lot of game promotional material that I'm supposed to be able to run a healing-focused monk. Let my "mirror-image" be forced to come out with the same whimpy holy wand I'm stuck with.

The point in this game is you can rebuild your skills. The mirror self "quest" is there to get you to think, wait a minute, if I were to just change this, I can overcome this particular challenge.

Sir Maddox · May 30, 2005, 01:47 PM // 13:47

You know, I've been grinding my way through Ascension, having a good time, but ultimately really looking forward to beating my Mirror self. I learned some tricks beforehand, but didn't look up any strategy for Mesmer/Elementalist because I had faith in myself that I could figure it out.

I was dead wrong. I was also dead. Again. And again.

I really disagree that it's a mirror image it all. It doesn't look like me. It uses a bow and an axe, which I don't. It's not wearing my Equipment. Hell, it doesn't even cast spells. I'm fighting a R/W here, not my mirror.

The problems I've come up with are these:

I fill up my skill bar with Enchantments and Shatter Enchantment. This doesn't work, considering he doesn't bother to cast anything on himself, but goes straight to attacking me.

I use Empathy and try and strafe it out. Doesn't work, Empathy runs out, and when I pause to recast, he gets me. Also, it doesn't help I'm not very good at strafing. This is the one area I can really work on.

I use Elementalist, (My secondary) spells. This doesn't work considering he doesn't use them. While I'm casting, he kills me. I managed to get through two or so spells before I was dead anyway.

I tried it again and this time, I thought, well, the problem is him damaging me for so much. I can slow him down. But, by slowing him down with a spell, I allow him to slow me down as well, which means, since he outdamages me in the first place, I have to kill him with Empathy. However, since he's slowed down, Empathy wears off before he's dead, and instead, I'm the dead one.

I could go on, but, in the end, what I'm trying to say is, this isn't a Mirror battle, at all. I agree with Overthehill in that regard. In addition, nothing's working and I'm finding myself pretty frustrated, add to that bad loading times to and from, and a 5 second lag when I skip the cut scene..and I'm not a happy camper.

I don't know, I guess I just needed to vent. I've read everything people have said, tried the strategies, and I know I'll get it eventually. It just sucks right now.

DRAGONHAWK · May 31, 2005, 03:48 AM // 03:48

i do know one reason why the mirror self using a chaos axe and bow isnt so bad at least for monks. im trying to get past it with a me/mo and tried something that if he was using a wand, staff, or bow it would have worked. i ran right up to him and used symbol of wrath and balthazar's aura together and then started attacking with my staff. the only thing that kept it from working was that stupid axe.

Elorea Moonblaze · Jun 02, 2005, 04:16 AM // 04:16

Ok. 1) I agree the axe and bow sucketh. BUT it IS a challenge!
2) I used the above-mentioned skill set, and all I did was come to a draw over and over again.

In case no one knows, this seems to be an AI mirror. It will learn from you if you take over 2 minutes and repeat your attempts.

So, what do you do when you are frustrated out of your mind continuously coming to a standstill of It can't kill me and I can't kill it?

The AI uses spells from 1 - 8 in that order. So, useless spells you want it to use to lose energy etc. put in 1-3. Mirror will cast without thinking. The spells you will use first start in 8 and go to 5. Random if you want thru those. Remember, it will attack no matter what.

I am a Mo/Me... I ended up using the advice on changing attribute points > Maxed Smite and upped DF lowered HP and PP, kept 4 in Illusion Magic.

my spell set was in order:
1) Protective Bond (-1 energy regen)
2) Holy Veil ( -1 energy regen)
3) Life Attunement (-1 energy regen)
4) Bane Signet
5) Holy Strike
6) Banish
7) Symbol of Wrath
8) Spirit Shackles ( target loses 5 energy on attack)

so, again , I followed advice and immediately hit attack on entry, then Spirit Shackles, then banish, then bane, then holy strike, then symbol of wrath, and continued casting and shooting based on recycle of spell.

I killed mirror in less 50 secs and won bonus as well.

GL to you all. Remember to study your skill sets and use them to your advantage. As they say above, you will probably use skills you never do normally if you are a healing monk. That line up is something I have never used before and hardly ever have any direct dmg spells up at all.

stumpy · Jun 03, 2005, 04:37 PM // 16:37

you must really be kiddng OverTheHill ...

your point is irrelevant. so what if the mirror image weilds a halberd ... the mirror image battle isn't meant to compare your weapons in a 'mines bigger' contest. Firstly his healing WILL out do your 10 fold ... so if you were to get your panties in a knicker over something it would be wiser to start from there as you can innevidebly heal yourself till the cows come home and he can't kill you. Point of the battle is to 'ascend' like a god ... a chosen one. You think they just grab Pitney from ashford and say 'hey bud ... wanna ascend?'

It must be a challenge to get users to think 'outside' of the normal boring roles they play ... these mirrors are made to completely destroy you in your normal role ... so get uncomfortable and listen to the thread above .... every profession has the same frustrations as you. But we all had to find a way around to beat it.

Keira Darkwind · Jun 03, 2005, 05:43 PM // 17:43

Well, I ascended last night

and all I used was Healing Breeze in the end. No other skills at all. Didn't change any of my attributes. Just keep Healing Breeze on yourself, and whack the mirror with your wand. It worked, although it was close, I think I had a slither of energy left, but the mirror still went down first.

stumpy · Jun 03, 2005, 10:40 PM // 22:40

heres a big tip for any monk builds that can get close enough to stand melee with their mirror ... equip heal area and dont use it on your self, the mirror will use it, you should take advantage of the time he is using that to get do some damage

Eclair · Jun 03, 2005, 11:02 PM // 23:02

I think warriors have it easy though. You can easily chain together some adrenaline skills that completely destroy the mirror. I went in with my w/mo with her skill set unchanged and completely destroyed the mirror in under 5 seconds =/

Ninna · Jun 04, 2005, 03:16 AM // 03:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eclair

I think warriors have it easy though. You can easily chain together some adrenaline skills that completely destroy the mirror. I went in with my w/mo with her skill set unchanged and completely destroyed the mirror in under 5 seconds =/

I went in as w/mo with zero skills and killed it without effort

no question Warrior has the easiest mirror fight

stumpy · Jun 06, 2005, 09:56 PM // 21:56

ummm hahaha ... i have to disagree ...

the ranger has it in even better than the warrior. Load up all 5 second casting natire rituals and pound the heck out of him with hunters shot (small energy + spammable 2 second bow attack)

took me less than 30 seconds to whoop his sry but meanwhile the whole time he is kneeling (i like to think of it as grovelling) casting the rituals (which in turn make my bow attacks better)

hands down i got hit with 1 hunters shot. ranger has it!

Talesin Darkbriar · Jun 06, 2005, 10:14 PM // 22:14

Actually, the mirror image test provides two vital functions:

1.) It requires thought and skill, and advances your character upon completion to the next chapter of the story.

2.) It seperates those with playing skills from those who until this point have remained clueless; and forces them to either adopt strategy or simply remain at this point until they do.

I honestly hope nobody posts the "easy way to beat your ascension test" guide here, because you are miss-serving your community in doing so.
EQ2 & WoW are full of high level morons who simply put in the required hours of brainless grinding to attain high level; GW challenges you to earn it.

edit: *sigh* Several of you have already done so. You realize you are simply empowering the mentally incapacitated right? Don't come back and complain about skill-less players in your groups afterwards...

After the ascension you may still find players who make "bad" decisions, but they at least know how to play their class to some extent.
Pre-Ascension, Augury Rock is the cyber log-jam of idiots who have rudely discovered they can go no further.

Apologies, that sounds rude.
There are two types of unskilled players in GW:

1.) those that simply don't know any better (and are willing to learn)
and
2.) those that don't care.

My earlier comments are directed at the latter category.
If you can't pass the ascension test - do us all a favor and quit ASAP.

Avy · Jun 14, 2005, 07:58 PM // 19:58

I'm not saying necros have it the easiest but one of the best no brainer ways to beat the mirror is by putting in all the bs spells that sacrifice 10% of max health to do about 10dmg. Also my fav is to put in the skill defile flesh which sacrifices your health to lessen the benifet from healing. My charecter has no healing spells so the mirror basicaly killed itself for me all i did was stand there. I didnt even attack because I brought skills that did shadow dmg.

Avy · Jun 14, 2005, 08:07 PM // 20:07

Also just an after thought but sharing tactics on how to beat the mirror isnt what is soley helping the hopelessly stupid morons pass. Some of them are just lucky.

Ninna · Jun 14, 2005, 08:48 PM // 20:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Talesin Darkbriar

After the ascension you may still find players who make "bad" decisions, but they at least know how to play their class to some extent.

disagree

ive met more morons in Ring of Fire missions than anywhere else in the game

Jun 02, 2005, 04:16 AM // 04:16	#50
Elorea Moonblaze Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Jun 2005	Another way to beat the mirror Ok. 1) I agree the axe and bow sucketh. BUT it IS a challenge! 2) I used the above-mentioned skill set, and all I did was come to a draw over and over again. In case no one knows, this seems to be an AI mirror. It will learn from you if you take over 2 minutes and repeat your attempts. So, what do you do when you are frustrated out of your mind continuously coming to a standstill of It can't kill me and I can't kill it? The AI uses spells from 1 - 8 in that order. So, useless spells you want it to use to lose energy etc. put in 1-3. Mirror will cast without thinking. The spells you will use first start in 8 and go to 5. Random if you want thru those. Remember, it will attack no matter what. I am a Mo/Me... I ended up using the advice on changing attribute points > Maxed Smite and upped DF lowered HP and PP, kept 4 in Illusion Magic. my spell set was in order: 1) Protective Bond (-1 energy regen) 2) Holy Veil ( -1 energy regen) 3) Life Attunement (-1 energy regen) 4) Bane Signet 5) Holy Strike 6) Banish 7) Symbol of Wrath 8) Spirit Shackles ( target loses 5 energy on attack) so, again , I followed advice and immediately hit attack on entry, then Spirit Shackles, then banish, then bane, then holy strike, then symbol of wrath, and continued casting and shooting based on recycle of spell. I killed mirror in less 50 secs and won bonus as well. GL to you all. Remember to study your skill sets and use them to your advantage. As they say above, you will probably use skills you never do normally if you are a healing monk. That line up is something I have never used before and hardly ever have any direct dmg spells up at all.

Jun 06, 2005, 10:14 PM // 22:14	#57
Talesin Darkbriar Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: California - irrigated desert... Guild: The Myrmidon Profession: E/N	Actually, the mirror image test provides two vital functions: 1.) It requires thought and skill, and advances your character upon completion to the next chapter of the story. 2.) It seperates those with playing skills from those who until this point have remained clueless; and forces them to either adopt strategy or simply remain at this point until they do. I honestly hope nobody posts the "easy way to beat your ascension test" guide here, because you are miss-serving your community in doing so. EQ2 & WoW are full of high level morons who simply put in the required hours of brainless grinding to attain high level; GW challenges you to earn it. edit: sigh Several of you have already done so. You realize you are simply empowering the mentally incapacitated right? Don't come back and complain about skill-less players in your groups afterwards... After the ascension you may still find players who make "bad" decisions, but they at least know how to play their class to some extent. Pre-Ascension, Augury Rock is the cyber log-jam of idiots who have rudely discovered they can go no further. Apologies, that sounds rude. There are two types of unskilled players in GW: 1.) those that simply don't know any better (and are willing to learn) and 2.) those that don't care. My earlier comments are directed at the latter category. If you can't pass the ascension test - do us all a favor and quit ASAP. Last edited by Talesin Darkbriar; Jun 06, 2005 at 10:17 PM // 22:17..

May 25, 2005, 06:33 AM // 06:33	#43
Skrilling Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA	I have to say that the fight isn't about twitch skills, its all about intelect. Both my fights so far have been done in under 15 sec. My first fight was with a W/N, my second with a E/Mo. With the W/N, i just put on a bunch of sacrifice health spells, an low and behold, he just about killed himself. I finnished the last of him in 2 hits. My second fight went faster, i put on armor of frost, meteor shower, and a couple quick fire spells. He imediatly put the armor on giving him a negative to fire, and i showered him. You just have to see what spells would be potentialy really stupid together and count on him to do it.

May 25, 2005, 07:28 AM // 07:28	#44
Tormunda Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005	Balthazar's Sprit and Divine Boon. No need for smiting. No need for 2nd profession. A healer Monk can take down the mirror with no problems at all in less than 10 seconds. Forget the axe and bow - You can wield them if you want! Anyone can! Just doesn't mean you are going to be good at them!

May 25, 2005, 09:18 PM // 21:18	#45
Saya Academy Page Join Date: Apr 2005	As mentioned by Jana, who used only "Bane Signet & Healing Breeze", I tried a similar approach with the addition of empathy (mes skill) and that smiting prayers AoE skill and was able to defeat the mirror in about 1 minute. Since it kept on spamming empathy on me as well, I could only use the skills to attack, but the added empathy did the trick - especially when the mirror uses the bow to attack.

May 30, 2005, 01:47 PM // 13:47	#48
Sir Maddox Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005 Profession: Me/E	You know, I've been grinding my way through Ascension, having a good time, but ultimately really looking forward to beating my Mirror self. I learned some tricks beforehand, but didn't look up any strategy for Mesmer/Elementalist because I had faith in myself that I could figure it out. I was dead wrong. I was also dead. Again. And again. I really disagree that it's a mirror image it all. It doesn't look like me. It uses a bow and an axe, which I don't. It's not wearing my Equipment. Hell, it doesn't even cast spells. I'm fighting a R/W here, not my mirror. The problems I've come up with are these: I fill up my skill bar with Enchantments and Shatter Enchantment. This doesn't work, considering he doesn't bother to cast anything on himself, but goes straight to attacking me. I use Empathy and try and strafe it out. Doesn't work, Empathy runs out, and when I pause to recast, he gets me. Also, it doesn't help I'm not very good at strafing. This is the one area I can really work on. I use Elementalist, (My secondary) spells. This doesn't work considering he doesn't use them. While I'm casting, he kills me. I managed to get through two or so spells before I was dead anyway. I tried it again and this time, I thought, well, the problem is him damaging me for so much. I can slow him down. But, by slowing him down with a spell, I allow him to slow me down as well, which means, since he outdamages me in the first place, I have to kill him with Empathy. However, since he's slowed down, Empathy wears off before he's dead, and instead, I'm the dead one. I could go on, but, in the end, what I'm trying to say is, this isn't a Mirror battle, at all. I agree with Overthehill in that regard. In addition, nothing's working and I'm finding myself pretty frustrated, add to that bad loading times to and from, and a 5 second lag when I skip the cut scene..and I'm not a happy camper. I don't know, I guess I just needed to vent. I've read everything people have said, tried the strategies, and I know I'll get it eventually. It just sucks right now.

May 31, 2005, 03:48 AM // 03:48	#49
DRAGONHAWK Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: May 2005	i do know one reason why the mirror self using a chaos axe and bow isnt so bad at least for monks. im trying to get past it with a me/mo and tried something that if he was using a wand, staff, or bow it would have worked. i ran right up to him and used symbol of wrath and balthazar's aura together and then started attacking with my staff. the only thing that kept it from working was that stupid axe.

Jun 03, 2005, 04:37 PM // 16:37	#51
stumpy Jungle Guide Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Canucklehead BC, Canada Guild: Advanced Necro Undead Society	you must really be kiddng OverTheHill ... your point is irrelevant. so what if the mirror image weilds a halberd ... the mirror image battle isn't meant to compare your weapons in a 'mines bigger' contest. Firstly his healing WILL out do your 10 fold ... so if you were to get your panties in a knicker over something it would be wiser to start from there as you can innevidebly heal yourself till the cows come home and he can't kill you. Point of the battle is to 'ascend' like a god ... a chosen one. You think they just grab Pitney from ashford and say 'hey bud ... wanna ascend?' It must be a challenge to get users to think 'outside' of the normal boring roles they play ... these mirrors are made to completely destroy you in your normal role ... so get uncomfortable and listen to the thread above .... every profession has the same frustrations as you. But we all had to find a way around to beat it.

Jun 03, 2005, 05:43 PM // 17:43	#52
Keira Darkwind Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Guild: Clan Arthur Profession: Mo/Me	Well, I ascended last night and all I used was Healing Breeze in the end. No other skills at all. Didn't change any of my attributes. Just keep Healing Breeze on yourself, and whack the mirror with your wand. It worked, although it was close, I think I had a slither of energy left, but the mirror still went down first.

Jun 03, 2005, 10:40 PM // 22:40	#53
stumpy Jungle Guide Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Canucklehead BC, Canada Guild: Advanced Necro Undead Society	heres a big tip for any monk builds that can get close enough to stand melee with their mirror ... equip heal area and dont use it on your self, the mirror will use it, you should take advantage of the time he is using that to get do some damage

Jun 03, 2005, 11:02 PM // 23:02	#54
Eclair Desert Nomad Join Date: Apr 2005	I think warriors have it easy though. You can easily chain together some adrenaline skills that completely destroy the mirror. I went in with my w/mo with her skill set unchanged and completely destroyed the mirror in under 5 seconds =/

Jun 06, 2005, 09:56 PM // 21:56	#56
stumpy Jungle Guide Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Canucklehead BC, Canada Guild: Advanced Necro Undead Society	ummm hahaha ... i have to disagree ... the ranger has it in even better than the warrior. Load up all 5 second casting natire rituals and pound the heck out of him with hunters shot (small energy + spammable 2 second bow attack) took me less than 30 seconds to whoop his sry but meanwhile the whole time he is kneeling (i like to think of it as grovelling) casting the rituals (which in turn make my bow attacks better) hands down i got hit with 1 hunters shot. ranger has it!

Jun 14, 2005, 07:58 PM // 19:58	#58
Avy Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Jun 2005 Profession: N/R	I'm not saying necros have it the easiest but one of the best no brainer ways to beat the mirror is by putting in all the bs spells that sacrifice 10% of max health to do about 10dmg. Also my fav is to put in the skill defile flesh which sacrifices your health to lessen the benifet from healing. My charecter has no healing spells so the mirror basicaly killed itself for me all i did was stand there. I didnt even attack because I brought skills that did shadow dmg.

Jun 14, 2005, 08:07 PM // 20:07	#59
Avy Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Jun 2005 Profession: N/R	Also just an after thought but sharing tactics on how to beat the mirror isnt what is soley helping the hopelessly stupid morons pass. Some of them are just lucky.