+Strength = +Armour Pentration... Question here - Guild Wars Forums

pearhk · Jun 23, 2005, 07:56 AM // 07:56

i heard someone said that penetration only apply only when u are using attack skill, is this true ?

if so
i want to ask is the penetration only apply to Strength attack skill or all attack skill ?

thx !

static deathbringer · Jun 23, 2005, 07:58 AM // 07:58

only when useing attack skill unless otherwise noted, as in air magic, and no, all attacks will have armor pen, not jsut he strength one

Ancalagon06 · Jun 23, 2005, 08:08 AM // 08:08

Strength only kicks in when you are dealing out a physical Attack. that means when you hit someone with your Axe/Sword/Hammer. Not when you cast Flare (if you're an elementalist secondary) or use Illusionary Weaponry (if you're a mesmer secondary). This is for all physical attacks, regardless of their being strength skills or not. If you use a skill that gives you Armor Pen, the two stack, like for Penetrating Blow, which gives you 20% pen, I'd actually be ignoring 32% of the armor on the location I hit with that strike. If you stack that with a secondary class skill that reduces armor, like Weaken Armor, the effects are even more apparent.

And it's a percent, so you'd ignore (how ever many points you have in strength)% of the armor on the location you strike.

pearhk · Jun 23, 2005, 08:09 AM // 08:09

thx for quick reply

but why people said Power Strike (Strength Melee Attk) is more more handy than all other weapon attack ?

i heard of the Damage Mathematic Calculation behind (SonOfRah in GWOnline explained very clearly and deeply)
the eqt is like
Power Strike's extra dmg is applied BEFORE dmg modification (double dmg ? half Dmg ?)

but Weapon Attk's extra attk is applied AFTER dmg Modification

Ancalagon06 · Jun 23, 2005, 08:11 AM // 08:11

I'm not quite sure what you just said in your post, could you rephrase?

pearhk · Jun 23, 2005, 08:24 AM // 08:24

i assume u all know the Game Mechanics (Guru has this article)

The following info is from SonOfRath (i think we could trust his testing result)
take Pure Strike and Power Strike as example
assume they both +22 dmg for convinence
and u do 20 base dmg by ur weapon

if u are able to do Double Dmg (affected by Armour Level, Penetration, Weapon, Strength Attrb Level)

then Power Strike do (20 + 22) * 200% = 84
Pure Strike do (20 * 200%) + 22 = 62

So my question is Strength Armour Penetration apply only on Power Strike ?

Ancalagon06 · Jun 23, 2005, 08:26 AM // 08:26

Ah, this I can answer. No. Strength always effects all your physical attack skills.

My bad, I went and looked at what my actual stats said, and it specifically states "attack skills" so your normal attacks won't be any more spiffy.

agentblade · Jun 23, 2005, 09:28 AM // 09:28

can anyone define what is physical damage.. Does a fire sword do fire dmg (which should be elemental dmg right?) or physical dmg?

Thus strenght does not affect the dmg i do if i use a fire sword?

Ancalagon06 · Jun 23, 2005, 09:30 AM // 09:30

Agent: a firey sword would do elemental, not physical, damage.

Strength only kicks in when you use an attack skill, like final blow, or power strike. In which case, it always kicks in, since you have to be weild a weapon (elemental damage or not) to use an attack skill.

Jun 23, 2005, 07:56 AM // 07:56	#1
pearhk Jungle Guide Join Date: May 2005 Location: Asia	+Strength = +Armour Pentration... Question here i heard someone said that penetration only apply only when u are using attack skill, is this true ? if so i want to ask is the penetration only apply to Strength attack skill or all attack skill ? thx !

Jun 23, 2005, 08:08 AM // 08:08	#3
Ancalagon06 Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005 Location: In my pants of "superior strength" Guild: Royal Orrian Foreign Legion Profession: W/N	Strength only kicks in when you are dealing out a physical Attack. that means when you hit someone with your Axe/Sword/Hammer. Not when you cast Flare (if you're an elementalist secondary) or use Illusionary Weaponry (if you're a mesmer secondary). This is for all physical attacks, regardless of their being strength skills or not. If you use a skill that gives you Armor Pen, the two stack, like for Penetrating Blow, which gives you 20% pen, I'd actually be ignoring 32% of the armor on the location I hit with that strike. If you stack that with a secondary class skill that reduces armor, like Weaken Armor, the effects are even more apparent. And it's a percent, so you'd ignore (how ever many points you have in strength)% of the armor on the location you strike. Last edited by Ancalagon06; Jun 23, 2005 at 08:10 AM // 08:10..

Jun 23, 2005, 07:58 AM // 07:58	#2
static deathbringer Krytan Explorer Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ft Lauderdale florida, its hot here :( Guild: The Harpers Profession: W/Mo	only when useing attack skill unless otherwise noted, as in air magic, and no, all attacks will have armor pen, not jsut he strength one

Jun 23, 2005, 08:09 AM // 08:09	#4
pearhk Jungle Guide Join Date: May 2005 Location: Asia	thx for quick reply but why people said Power Strike (Strength Melee Attk) is more more handy than all other weapon attack ? i heard of the Damage Mathematic Calculation behind (SonOfRah in GWOnline explained very clearly and deeply) the eqt is like Power Strike's extra dmg is applied BEFORE dmg modification (double dmg ? half Dmg ?) but Weapon Attk's extra attk is applied AFTER dmg Modification

Jun 23, 2005, 08:11 AM // 08:11	#5
Ancalagon06 Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005 Location: In my pants of "superior strength" Guild: Royal Orrian Foreign Legion Profession: W/N	I'm not quite sure what you just said in your post, could you rephrase?

Jun 23, 2005, 08:24 AM // 08:24	#6
pearhk Jungle Guide Join Date: May 2005 Location: Asia	i assume u all know the Game Mechanics (Guru has this article) The following info is from SonOfRath (i think we could trust his testing result) take Pure Strike and Power Strike as example assume they both +22 dmg for convinence and u do 20 base dmg by ur weapon if u are able to do Double Dmg (affected by Armour Level, Penetration, Weapon, Strength Attrb Level) then Power Strike do (20 + 22) * 200% = 84 Pure Strike do (20 * 200%) + 22 = 62 So my question is Strength Armour Penetration apply only on Power Strike ?

Jun 23, 2005, 08:26 AM // 08:26	#7
Ancalagon06 Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005 Location: In my pants of "superior strength" Guild: Royal Orrian Foreign Legion Profession: W/N	Ah, this I can answer. No. Strength always effects all your physical attack skills. My bad, I went and looked at what my actual stats said, and it specifically states "attack skills" so your normal attacks won't be any more spiffy.

Jun 23, 2005, 09:28 AM // 09:28	#8
agentblade Academy Page Join Date: May 2005 Location: Singapore Guild: Iron Legion of Kurzick [ILK] Profession: Me/E	can anyone define what is physical damage.. Does a fire sword do fire dmg (which should be elemental dmg right?) or physical dmg? Thus strenght does not affect the dmg i do if i use a fire sword?

Jun 23, 2005, 09:30 AM // 09:30	#9
Ancalagon06 Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005 Location: In my pants of "superior strength" Guild: Royal Orrian Foreign Legion Profession: W/N	Agent: a firey sword would do elemental, not physical, damage. Strength only kicks in when you use an attack skill, like final blow, or power strike. In which case, it always kicks in, since you have to be weild a weapon (elemental damage or not) to use an attack skill.