All the noobs choose warriors? - Page 4 - Guild Wars Forums

EmperorTippy · Jun 23, 2005, 06:47 PM // 18:47

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Originally Posted by smitty-gw

You must be right Luggage, it must be the Warrior's fault. There are no skilless people who play the other character types.

So by your logic if I, the Warrior, am not the first one to die in a battle than I am not fulfilling my responsibility to my team?......That is funny.

Your response gives creedence to the original poster's statement. I've seen you post Luggage, your alot smarter than that.

Is there a rule that says the Warrior cannot retreat when a battle goes awry due to poor team planning? If so, then I missed that in the manual.

Yes you can't retreat and make all the baddies come after us casters. Retreat away from us.

Hell Marauder · Jun 23, 2005, 07:24 PM // 19:24

To me both warrior and elementalist are newbie classes, as they are easier to play than, say, mesmers or necro. But there's nothing wrong with that. A warrior is like a foot soldier, and in any army, the number of foot soldiers is bound to be much higher than other types of support troops. So let newbies play warriors as long as they do well in them.

Shadowdaemon · Jun 24, 2005, 10:45 PM // 22:45

i have to give warriors some credit though, i have played all classes on here, monk is totally different game, watching life bars instead of fight, but warrior can suck too, wait til you are in a group with 3 ranger secondaries with pets, it can be a total pain trying to get past all the pets to get to the monsters

Rossaroni · Jun 24, 2005, 10:59 PM // 22:59

I've come across maybe one good warrior, other than mine, although my first character was primarily a nuker, so I didn't pay much attention to what the warriors did. I actually prefer a minion master over a warrior in groups.

Seems to me that most warriors just focus on damage dealing, and as a result they completely miss the tactics line, which can turn a warrior into an uber tank. Bonetti's Defense, Gladiator's Defense, Shield Stance, Defensive Stance, Deflect Arrows...shall I go on?

One time, my W/R was the last one up in my group, and she ended up lasting around a minute against 6 mobs using just shield stance and Bonetti's defense. It can really help you.

The Red Knight · Jun 24, 2005, 11:02 PM // 23:02

no? Ive met a warrior that got rank 2 with just his axe w/r :/

funbun · Jun 25, 2005, 12:29 AM // 00:29

Best thing about Warrior is it's easy to set up escort runs and charge people for it.

As a monk I would never make it.

Dahl · Jun 25, 2005, 12:53 AM // 00:53

I think you have it twisted... It's not that only newbs ARE warriors, but newer people tend to choose warriors because they think it will be the simplest, which of course is not the case. But take me for example: You say they rush into war, get themselves killed and curse you out when you don't assist?.. We were on a quest, my entire party was annihilated, except for me, while there were 12 undead left. I single handedly took all of them out. But then again, I have almost a flawless skill setup with few weaknesses.

Don't stereotype warriors. I did not choose warriors because I am a newb looking for simplicity. I chose a warrior because I enjoy close combat, and liked the idea of how warriors arent just run and attack, run and attack, run and attack. I also like the feeling of glory, and the clash of swords.

***Note*** About what shadowdaemon said about the pets...... Yes, I do know the feeling. However I feel it's much worse when a necromancer feels he must summon over a dozen animated horrors (no joke on this!!)

ownage of teh elite · Jun 25, 2005, 02:05 AM // 02:05

LoL,

Warriors aint the problem. I think that you can look at the overall team for the "noob" calling. It's sterotyping to call a warrior a noobish, overrated character, and it's not cool to always point at the Warrior for the team's doings. Actually, the whole thing on warrior's is that some people just get pissed off because they die, usually when they do not have strong armour, such an elementalist. It's very opinionated, in the topic of a warrior being the one who is the noob.

I mean, come on, you guys all want a Tank? What's a tank? A rusher. What do you do when we rush? You complain. And what do you do when you die, because your stupid enough not to get in the back, or run away, YOU cuss at US. That's your fault. So don't blame us warriors. Blame yourself for your opinionated, hating, stereotyping, selves, not to mention your self-centered ego's. I aint pointin no fingers, but I mean, come on guys, wasting your lives complaining on how you died on a computer game? Man....that's sad.

Yes, I am a warrior. Representin. Peace.

funbun · Jun 25, 2005, 02:17 AM // 02:17

But what if the warrior did wrong? What if the warrior got evryone killed. what if it was the warrior's fault?

EmperorTippy · Jun 25, 2005, 02:44 AM // 02:44

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Originally Posted by funbun

But what if the warrior did wrong? What if the warrior got evryone killed. what if it was the warrior's fault?

Then res them with Unyielding Aura and keep him on a leash.

An elememtalist monk ,with a VERY specific skill set, can tank better than ANY other build except a warrior elemtalist, with a VERY specific skill set.

This elemtalist isn't a very easy build to play though and requires lots of experiance so you should tell people your skills and that you are going to tank etc.

Jackk_Hammer · Jun 25, 2005, 02:54 AM // 02:54

I am a warrior and its not the class it is the player. Warriors they run into battle trying to take on one guy totaly seperating from the group and he becomes blindfolded to the surrounding enemy players and the health bar thinking he can kill the person just on time before healing. I know this because I use to play like this till i found out that I was not helping anyone by doing this. Now I always have to say to the group stick together and I am always usualy the one healing my team members back to life. Its always good to draw one player towards the group to gang up on him. Thats how most of arenas wins happen.

After fighting starts I like to single out the weakest player and kill him first because I cannot stand getting poked for -6,-5 damage wile I am fighting a high level player. I know this might seem unfair but I cannot stand that.

funbun · Jun 25, 2005, 10:31 AM // 10:31

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Originally Posted by EmperorTippy

Then res them with Unyielding Aura and keep him on a leash.

An elememtalist monk ,with a VERY specific skill set, can tank better than ANY other build except a warrior elemtalist, with a VERY specific skill set.

This elemtalist isn't a very easy build to play though and requires lots of experiance so you should tell people your skills and that you are going to tank etc.

Yeah, Earth magic and Protection prayers you should tank better thanm a warrior.

EmperorTippy · Jun 25, 2005, 10:39 AM // 10:39

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Originally Posted by funbun

Yeah, Earth magic and Protection prayers you should tank better thanm a warrior.

Yes you do but you can only take damage no giving it back. It is quite fun to sit there taking 50 hits, never being healed, by that attarach (the underworld minotars as someone called em). People can't beleive that you are lasting.

Pelias · Jun 25, 2005, 11:42 AM // 11:42

Oh, it's very simple.
You see, necros, mesmers and all that stuff is weird, where warrior is easy. It's all about grabing that shiny pointy thing and pointing the pointy edge of it towards bad, ugly and stinky monsters. What could go wrong?

KingKryton · Jun 25, 2005, 11:46 AM // 11:46

you cant say noobs choose warriors its just new people , i have even seen some past ascension who have no idea what the aggro circle is. I know when i first started i never noticed it but thats probly the reason in most cases

davidmor · Jun 25, 2005, 01:37 PM // 13:37

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Originally Posted by funbun

I wonder why do more people choose warrior than anything else? At the higher level you can't build a balanced team because warriors out number everyone 10:1 I think it's because the pupulation on warriors is higher that we see a higher number of n00b warriors.

So, it isn't absolute, but yes warrior is the n00b class. Just like Night Elf Hunter is the n00b class in WoW.

Although you might want to build a balanced team (as I do too), unfortunately the vast majority of players at the higher level only want tanks and healers. I built a ranger, took him all the way through to thunderhead keep, and do you think I can get him past that? No. I have literally tried for hours to get into a group and nobody will take him because "rangers are useless" . All you see is 'looking for tanks or healers'. They will also consider an elementalist but a necro, ranger, or mesmer are considered dead weight by most. What kind of balance is a group with 3 tanks, 3 healers and two "others"? I myself always try and build a good balance in a team. I am just now learning how good it is to have a mesmer on my side. Between a good mesmer and ranger, you can just about shut down all of the spell ability of the other side. Fortunately, my guild is building a well rounded team that will be able to take anyone else in the guild to the end so the less than popular char's. don't need to try and 'beg' their way into a group.

funbun · Jun 25, 2005, 01:42 PM // 13:42

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Originally Posted by Pelias

Oh, it's very simple.
You see, necros, mesmers and all that stuff is weird, where warrior is easy. It's all about grabing that shiny pointy thing and pointing the pointy edge of it towards bad, ugly and stinky monsters. What could go wrong?

Excatly. But Mesmers and Necros aren't hard. They justy require you to think. The problem comes during the higher level missions when you need all that "wierd stuff" in your group and you can't find any Mesmers or Necros becuase 90% of the players chose warrior. You can't build a decent group above lvl 18 and it's annoying.

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you cant say noobs choose warriors it's just new people , i have even seen some past ascension who have no idea what the aggro circle is. I know when i first started i never noticed it but thats probly the reason in most cases

True. But the question is: how did they get that far in the game not understanding the basics? It's like someone going to college not knowing how to add and subtract.

This is where the tutorial area fails. People leave Pre-Searing not even know the basics. It's pathetic.

EmperorTippy · Jun 25, 2005, 01:51 PM // 13:51

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Originally Posted by davidmor

Although you might want to build a balanced team (as I do too), unfortunately the vast majority of players at the higher level only want tanks and healers. I built a ranger, took him all the way through to thunderhead keep, and do you think I can get him past that? No. I have literally tried for hours to get into a group and nobody will take him because "rangers are useless" . All you see is 'looking for tanks or healers'. They will also consider an elementalist but a necro, ranger, or mesmer are considered dead weight by most. What kind of balance is a group with 3 tanks, 3 healers and two "others"? I myself always try and build a good balance in a team. I am just now learning how good it is to have a mesmer on my side. Between a good mesmer and ranger, you can just about shut down all of the spell ability of the other side. Fortunately, my guild is building a well rounded team that will be able to take anyone else in the guild to the end so the less than popular char's. don't need to try and 'beg' their way into a group.

I did that whole mission with no monks or tanks. All warriors, and necros, and me acting as a healer. I started the group just cause some dumb W/Mo said "Have 1 slot left, no rangers allowed" (his group was 5 W/Mo and 1 Mo/W) So I posted "I'm starting a group of the disenfranchised (rangers, necros, and other weird builds) - Whisper class" I got a great team in like 7 miniutes and we beat the mission very easily with one player dropping 2 miniutes in.

funbun · Jun 25, 2005, 02:02 PM // 14:02

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Originally Posted by EmperorTippy

...So I posted "I'm starting a group of the disenfranchised (rangers, necros, and other weird builds) - Whisper class" I got a great team in like 7 miniutes and we beat the mission very easily with one player dropping 2 miniutes in.

My pont, excatly. These wierd builds work because these people have thought about thier character and it's role in the group. They make the best teammates.

Ancalagon06 · Jun 25, 2005, 02:11 PM // 14:11

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Originally Posted by Syncrosonix

and how the **** do you expect a warrior to cover everything? there's only so much one warrior can cover. it's only your opinion. to my knowlege, i haven't had any complaints from people who have partied with me.

It's not that hard. When the ranger runs up to pull, you get in right behind him. Not too close, mind. Your casters are way the hell back, as far as safely possible. The ranger runs past you, you hit the guys chasing him, they change targets to you. Your casters AoE, the monks start healing you, and assuming there are no ettins, throws aegis and other protective spells on you, and it's all gravy.

Jun 25, 2005, 02:05 AM // 02:05	#68
ownage of teh elite Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Paradise =) Profession: N/Me	LoL, Warriors aint the problem. I think that you can look at the overall team for the "noob" calling. It's sterotyping to call a warrior a noobish, overrated character, and it's not cool to always point at the Warrior for the team's doings. Actually, the whole thing on warrior's is that some people just get pissed off because they die, usually when they do not have strong armour, such an elementalist. It's very opinionated, in the topic of a warrior being the one who is the noob. I mean, come on, you guys all want a Tank? What's a tank? A rusher. What do you do when we rush? You complain. And what do you do when you die, because your stupid enough not to get in the back, or run away, YOU cuss at US. That's your fault. So don't blame us warriors. Blame yourself for your opinionated, hating, stereotyping, selves, not to mention your self-centered ego's. I aint pointin no fingers, but I mean, come on guys, wasting your lives complaining on how you died on a computer game? Man....that's sad. Yes, I am a warrior. Representin. Peace. Last edited by ownage of teh elite; Jun 25, 2005 at 02:13 AM // 02:13..

Jun 25, 2005, 02:54 AM // 02:54	#71
Jackk_Hammer Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: Clan Odin	Warrior I am a warrior and its not the class it is the player. Warriors they run into battle trying to take on one guy totaly seperating from the group and he becomes blindfolded to the surrounding enemy players and the health bar thinking he can kill the person just on time before healing. I know this because I use to play like this till i found out that I was not helping anyone by doing this. Now I always have to say to the group stick together and I am always usualy the one healing my team members back to life. Its always good to draw one player towards the group to gang up on him. Thats how most of arenas wins happen. After fighting starts I like to single out the weakest player and kill him first because I cannot stand getting poked for -6,-5 damage wile I am fighting a high level player. I know this might seem unfair but I cannot stand that. Last edited by Jackk_Hammer; Jun 25, 2005 at 03:01 AM // 03:01..

Jun 23, 2005, 07:24 PM // 19:24	#62
Hell Marauder Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005	To me both warrior and elementalist are newbie classes, as they are easier to play than, say, mesmers or necro. But there's nothing wrong with that. A warrior is like a foot soldier, and in any army, the number of foot soldiers is bound to be much higher than other types of support troops. So let newbies play warriors as long as they do well in them.

Jun 24, 2005, 10:45 PM // 22:45	#63
Shadowdaemon Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Anderson IN USA Guild: Ecks Di [xD] Profession: W/N	i have to give warriors some credit though, i have played all classes on here, monk is totally different game, watching life bars instead of fight, but warrior can suck too, wait til you are in a group with 3 ranger secondaries with pets, it can be a total pain trying to get past all the pets to get to the monsters

Jun 24, 2005, 10:59 PM // 22:59	#64
Rossaroni Academy Page Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: Knight Vision [KnV] Profession: Mo/	I've come across maybe one good warrior, other than mine, although my first character was primarily a nuker, so I didn't pay much attention to what the warriors did. I actually prefer a minion master over a warrior in groups. Seems to me that most warriors just focus on damage dealing, and as a result they completely miss the tactics line, which can turn a warrior into an uber tank. Bonetti's Defense, Gladiator's Defense, Shield Stance, Defensive Stance, Deflect Arrows...shall I go on? One time, my W/R was the last one up in my group, and she ended up lasting around a minute against 6 mobs using just shield stance and Bonetti's defense. It can really help you.

Jun 24, 2005, 11:02 PM // 23:02	#65
The Red Knight Krytan Explorer Join Date: Apr 2005 Guild: Zero Files Remaining [LaG] Profession: R/Mo	no? Ive met a warrior that got rank 2 with just his axe w/r :/

Jun 25, 2005, 12:29 AM // 00:29	#66
funbun Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Apr 2005 Guild: I forget. Really. I don't know. Profession: Mo/	Best thing about Warrior is it's easy to set up escort runs and charge people for it. As a monk I would never make it.

Jun 25, 2005, 12:53 AM // 00:53	#67
Dahl Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ontario, Canada Guild: Exalted Legionnaires [ExL]	I think you have it twisted... It's not that only newbs ARE warriors, but newer people tend to choose warriors because they think it will be the simplest, which of course is not the case. But take me for example: You say they rush into war, get themselves killed and curse you out when you don't assist?.. We were on a quest, my entire party was annihilated, except for me, while there were 12 undead left. I single handedly took all of them out. But then again, I have almost a flawless skill setup with few weaknesses. Don't stereotype warriors. I did not choose warriors because I am a newb looking for simplicity. I chose a warrior because I enjoy close combat, and liked the idea of how warriors arent just run and attack, run and attack, run and attack. I also like the feeling of glory, and the clash of swords. *Note* About what shadowdaemon said about the pets...... Yes, I do know the feeling. However I feel it's much worse when a necromancer feels he must summon over a dozen animated horrors (no joke on this!!)

Jun 25, 2005, 02:17 AM // 02:17	#69
funbun Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Apr 2005 Guild: I forget. Really. I don't know. Profession: Mo/	But what if the warrior did wrong? What if the warrior got evryone killed. what if it was the warrior's fault?

Jun 25, 2005, 11:42 AM // 11:42	#74
Pelias Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Apr 2005	Oh, it's very simple. You see, necros, mesmers and all that stuff is weird, where warrior is easy. It's all about grabing that shiny pointy thing and pointing the pointy edge of it towards bad, ugly and stinky monsters. What could go wrong?

Jun 25, 2005, 11:46 AM // 11:46	#75
KingKryton Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New Zealand Profession: W/Mo	you cant say noobs choose warriors its just new people , i have even seen some past ascension who have no idea what the aggro circle is. I know when i first started i never noticed it but thats probly the reason in most cases