All the noobs choose warriors? - Page 2 - Guild Wars Forums

Reiden Argrock · Jun 21, 2005, 10:42 PM // 22:42

ok, this would be the case where your either fighting well below where you should, or the mobs were already significantly wasted before everyone else died.

Dreamsmith · Jun 21, 2005, 10:54 PM // 22:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ketch

Its just easier to notice newbie Warriors than others.
Casters stand back, and its hard to tell what they're doing.

Wars.. well their mistakes are obvious because they have to engage to do anything.

Agreed. I know when I screw up, the consequences tend to be more immediate and obvious when I'm a warrior than anything else, although monk isn't far behind as far as how catastrophic a misstep can be (just someone else usually pays the price for it). Any other class, it's easier to recover from a mistake, or have it go unnoticed. So it's probably just a lot easier to spot a bad warrior or bad monk than anything else, and since most new players don't find playing a monk all that glamourous, it's the new warrior everyone sees.

Phat Bastige · Jun 21, 2005, 11:17 PM // 23:17

I play a war/nec, and having played wow,daoc, eq n anarchy,quite successfully. i feel i can say :P to the noobs statement.
one of the few ppl i group with on a regular basis is a war/monk who's only other online game played has been diablo, he plays with an insight i usually expect with a seasoned mmorg player, if he does something wrong i am usually half way thru saying dude we could have done that better when he admits his mistake.
As opposed to a double caster or ranger monk who think they are even better tanks than tanks are and end up the first dead and screamin at whatever poor monk we are lucky enuff to have about heals...
but imo the worst n00bs are the ones who bail at first or second death. lol you wouldnt get far in daoc or eq if thats the way you acted.
differnce between newbies and experienced players is time, and a lil coaching from group/guildmates who care enuff to help. it brings out the real enjoyment of the game seeing someone you have helped turn around and show you a tactic or trick that you havent thought of..

a war nec with curses spec can run mad aoe damage(MOP,suffering), which works great with casters and leaves other tanks open to deal with rogue/named mobs bashing on the support. tho 6/10 times the war/nec ends up taking one for the team. usually if more than 2 groups of enemy are on.

Shadowdaemon · Jun 22, 2005, 08:26 AM // 08:26

I think there are bad players in every class, and from my experience with my monk in the fissure I would say it is the casters who are too dumb to run away when their surrounded by melee enemies that are the worst problem. they think they can just stand there and be healed all day even though they take alot more damage than tanks, then the healers run out of energy from healing them, and before long the whole party is dead. Of course this is the monks fault somehow according to them(first time they blame me for their stupidity they no longer recieve healing, just laughter)

p.s. anyone calling people n00bs, or calling themselves l33t, should have their accounts locked

Makkert · Jun 22, 2005, 08:50 AM // 08:50

there are idiots everywhere.

as a monk, i had team wich had a necro and a mesmer in it. they died, we (2 monks on team) ressed them, and what happend?
"lets see who can die first?"
- "yeah!"
and then they spurted of in a group of jade armors. needless to say, it was close to a draw. PUG wasted.
i do however agree that wa/mo has gotten my sensors up and running lately. there are good ones, but a lot of terrible wa/mo's. i prefer a wa/ne or any other secondary with warriors lately.

MaglorD · Jun 22, 2005, 08:57 AM // 08:57

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Originally Posted by Reiden Argrock

Well hopefully they learn. My first char was a necro, and I stopped playin him because nobody wanted a necro, everybody wanted a warrior. So now look where we are.

Awww, that's sad...poor necro.
My first character was a warrior, after completing the game and capturing all warrior elites using the old signet of capture, I stopped playing him to play other classes. Now playing the necro and just got to Thirsty River solo at lvl 18, due to having skipped The Wilds and Bloodstone Fen missions while doing quests from Druid's Overlook. Probably nobody will party me due to my low level...

Luggage · Jun 22, 2005, 09:10 AM // 09:10

18 isn't low a thirsty river. I'll try and find you with my 17 monk after i run elonas

Racthoh · Jun 22, 2005, 11:55 AM // 11:55

First and only character so far is a warrior. I'll admit I would aggro everything, but I would always play alone because of past experiences with MMORPGs so I was the only one who suffered. It could be because with almost EVERY other game I've played a warrior can do that kind of thing. As such most other people who come into this game will carry this ideal in their head "Yeah, I'm a warrior, nothing can kill me.". Hell at the start of the game my warrior could aggro large groups and he would be alright. It seems kinda dumb in this game that a warrior has to rely on his/her mental prowess and cunning strategy rather than brute force...

How honourable is it for a warrior to lure an enemy away from the pack rather than charging in with blade swinging wildly? Or to sit back and wait for the mage to weaken it enough for the fighter to make the kill?

Think I'll call my next warrior "Fodder".

Infecta · Jun 22, 2005, 12:03 PM // 12:03

Dont forget that everyone was a noob at some point. Some people will never catch a clue, some will. Thats life, suck it up

Myodato · Jun 22, 2005, 12:31 PM // 12:31

I certainly think it's fair to say that the warrior class has it's fair share of noobs, but it's by no means an absolute. I would also say that noob warrior behaviour is very noticable, so it's much easier to spot a noob warrior than it is a noob from another class.

Noobs have there place though, because it means that you appreciate a good warrior when you get one, rather than just taking them for granted.

audioaxes · Jun 22, 2005, 12:31 PM // 12:31

actually i think rangers are by far the most noob infested class. Only thing is, especially in PVE, they can fly under the radar and you'll be too preoccupied to see if a ranger is actually helping out or is one of those stupid orlando bloom wannabes just sitting there shooting arrows at pathetic dps with no coherent skill set.

Rabid Weasel · Jun 22, 2005, 12:33 PM // 12:33

Well i'm quite annoyed at the "All Warriors are n00bs" statement. You've just obviously had really bad luck with PuG's. I'm a warrior/monk myself, and about 90% of the time i end up calling and luring (my monk side has a nice staff). And not to big myself up, but i do it very well. On a Fissure run the other night we where there for 5 hours, and i only died once or twice. I finished the last mission without dying, just cast mending and sit there hitting things and calling targets while the rest of the casters do there thing. On the odd occasion i'll cast healing breeze on myself or a party member to help the monks out.

You just need to make sure you state before the start of the quest/mission "Do you warriors know what the mission entails" you can normally spot the idiots there and then.

As other people have stated, I seen some terrible Ele's out there, far worse than any Warrior i've seen. Monks who think they still have smitting skills equiped and join me and other warriors up front. Necro's who think their minions will save them from enemy rangers.... Rangers who think they are a full warrior and don't use bows.... The only class i haven't see a "n00b" player as your put it, is a Mesmer. I play on the european servers and there is a distinct lack of mesmer who IMHO, are one of the most powerful charecters in the game...

So you really can't go around saying that one class has more "n00bs" than another as it's clearly incorrect.

Mistress Dasha · Jun 22, 2005, 02:09 PM // 14:09

lol There are alot of less skilled players doing the warrior thing but they do take the less knowledge of game mechanics to play some what effectivly... And Warrior's are the staple learning class for most MMORPG's... But once more people learn Energy management then we will see more of the other classes..

If anyone needs a good warrior let me know

Grandma Dasha

Kaiwyn · Jun 22, 2005, 02:43 PM // 14:43

There are some great Warriors out there...mature and knowledgeable about the game..but it is also the case that virtually every pre-pubescent, single-digit-IQ moron out there chooses to be a Warrior so they can race around hacking and slashing at things regardless of the fact that their team is dying or unable to heal between aggros. They need to either grow up, play solo or learn that this is not the game for them.

Rabid Weasel · Jun 22, 2005, 03:12 PM // 15:12

True, i guess a lot of new players would take a warrior class, however it does take some skill to become a decent warrior, otherwise you'll end up dead, as a lot of said, will cause the rest of the group to get annoyed or not bother healing!

But just to get it clear i also play a monk/mesmer and a mesmer/ele, guess this teaches me the art of being a good warrior.

However you still can't tar every warrior with the same brush of being a n00b, not until you've seen them play!

smitty-gw · Jun 22, 2005, 04:47 PM // 16:47

My first character was a W/Mo. I am not a noob. I am the guy usually last left standing casting rebirth on all the other "skilled" player corpses in my party.

trackxyj · Jun 22, 2005, 06:14 PM // 18:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by smitty-gw

My first character was a W/Mo. I am not a noob. I am the guy usually last left standing casting rebirth on all the other "skilled" player corpses in my party.

The group has a problem if the first one died is not a tank.

Luggage · Jun 22, 2005, 06:51 PM // 18:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by smitty-gw

My first character was a W/Mo. I am not a noob. I am the guy usually last left standing casting rebirth on all the other "skilled" player corpses in my party.

Who died because you drained the monk of energy or aggroed too many?

The "I'm the last one standing" card doesn't really hold any water in a team based game...

Try "I'm the one laying down my life tanking so the team can survive" some time...

Bingley Joe · Jun 22, 2005, 07:02 PM // 19:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luggage

The "I'm the last one standing" card doesn't really hold any water in a team based game...

Try "I'm the one laying down my life tanking so the team can survive" some time...

Needs to become the game's new log-in greeting for a couple of months

Shadowdaemon · Jun 22, 2005, 07:27 PM // 19:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by trackxyj

The group has a problem if the first one died is not a tank.

yeah they have the problem or idiotic casters and rangers that wont stay the hell off of the front line

Jun 22, 2005, 09:10 AM // 09:10	#27
Luggage Elite Guru Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: sweden	18 isn't low a thirsty river. I'll try and find you with my 17 monk after i run elonas __________________ "Stercus, stercus, stercus, moriturus sum."

Jun 21, 2005, 10:42 PM // 22:42	#21
Reiden Argrock Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Location: Arizona Guild: Shadowstorm Mercenaries	ok, this would be the case where your either fighting well below where you should, or the mobs were already significantly wasted before everyone else died.

Jun 21, 2005, 11:17 PM // 23:17	#23
Phat Bastige Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Jun 2005	I play a war/nec, and having played wow,daoc, eq n anarchy,quite successfully. i feel i can say :P to the noobs statement. one of the few ppl i group with on a regular basis is a war/monk who's only other online game played has been diablo, he plays with an insight i usually expect with a seasoned mmorg player, if he does something wrong i am usually half way thru saying dude we could have done that better when he admits his mistake. As opposed to a double caster or ranger monk who think they are even better tanks than tanks are and end up the first dead and screamin at whatever poor monk we are lucky enuff to have about heals... but imo the worst n00bs are the ones who bail at first or second death. lol you wouldnt get far in daoc or eq if thats the way you acted. differnce between newbies and experienced players is time, and a lil coaching from group/guildmates who care enuff to help. it brings out the real enjoyment of the game seeing someone you have helped turn around and show you a tactic or trick that you havent thought of.. a war nec with curses spec can run mad aoe damage(MOP,suffering), which works great with casters and leaves other tanks open to deal with rogue/named mobs bashing on the support. tho 6/10 times the war/nec ends up taking one for the team. usually if more than 2 groups of enemy are on.

Jun 22, 2005, 08:26 AM // 08:26	#24
Shadowdaemon Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Anderson IN USA Guild: Ecks Di [xD] Profession: W/N	I think there are bad players in every class, and from my experience with my monk in the fissure I would say it is the casters who are too dumb to run away when their surrounded by melee enemies that are the worst problem. they think they can just stand there and be healed all day even though they take alot more damage than tanks, then the healers run out of energy from healing them, and before long the whole party is dead. Of course this is the monks fault somehow according to them(first time they blame me for their stupidity they no longer recieve healing, just laughter) p.s. anyone calling people n00bs, or calling themselves l33t, should have their accounts locked

Jun 22, 2005, 08:50 AM // 08:50	#25
Makkert Black Beast of Aarrrrgghh Join Date: May 2005 Location: The Netherlands Guild: The Biggyverse [PLEB] // Servants of Fortuna [SoF]	there are idiots everywhere. as a monk, i had team wich had a necro and a mesmer in it. they died, we (2 monks on team) ressed them, and what happend? "lets see who can die first?" - "yeah!" and then they spurted of in a group of jade armors. needless to say, it was close to a draw. PUG wasted. i do however agree that wa/mo has gotten my sensors up and running lately. there are good ones, but a lot of terrible wa/mo's. i prefer a wa/ne or any other secondary with warriors lately.

Jun 22, 2005, 11:55 AM // 11:55	#28
Racthoh Did I hear 7 heroes? Join Date: May 2005 Guild: Scars Meadows [SMS], Guild Leader (Not Recruiting)	First and only character so far is a warrior. I'll admit I would aggro everything, but I would always play alone because of past experiences with MMORPGs so I was the only one who suffered. It could be because with almost EVERY other game I've played a warrior can do that kind of thing. As such most other people who come into this game will carry this ideal in their head "Yeah, I'm a warrior, nothing can kill me.". Hell at the start of the game my warrior could aggro large groups and he would be alright. It seems kinda dumb in this game that a warrior has to rely on his/her mental prowess and cunning strategy rather than brute force... How honourable is it for a warrior to lure an enemy away from the pack rather than charging in with blade swinging wildly? Or to sit back and wait for the mage to weaken it enough for the fighter to make the kill? Think I'll call my next warrior "Fodder".

Jun 22, 2005, 12:03 PM // 12:03	#29
Infecta Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jun 2005 Profession: W/Mo	Dont forget that everyone was a noob at some point. Some people will never catch a clue, some will. Thats life, suck it up

Jun 22, 2005, 12:31 PM // 12:31	#30
Myodato Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: May 2005 Guild: WOR Profession: Mo/	I certainly think it's fair to say that the warrior class has it's fair share of noobs, but it's by no means an absolute. I would also say that noob warrior behaviour is very noticable, so it's much easier to spot a noob warrior than it is a noob from another class. Noobs have there place though, because it means that you appreciate a good warrior when you get one, rather than just taking them for granted.

Jun 22, 2005, 12:31 PM // 12:31	#31
audioaxes Jungle Guide Join Date: May 2005	actually i think rangers are by far the most noob infested class. Only thing is, especially in PVE, they can fly under the radar and you'll be too preoccupied to see if a ranger is actually helping out or is one of those stupid orlando bloom wannabes just sitting there shooting arrows at pathetic dps with no coherent skill set.

Jun 22, 2005, 12:33 PM // 12:33	#32
Rabid Weasel Academy Page Join Date: May 2005 Guild: Welsh Legion	Well i'm quite annoyed at the "All Warriors are n00bs" statement. You've just obviously had really bad luck with PuG's. I'm a warrior/monk myself, and about 90% of the time i end up calling and luring (my monk side has a nice staff). And not to big myself up, but i do it very well. On a Fissure run the other night we where there for 5 hours, and i only died once or twice. I finished the last mission without dying, just cast mending and sit there hitting things and calling targets while the rest of the casters do there thing. On the odd occasion i'll cast healing breeze on myself or a party member to help the monks out. You just need to make sure you state before the start of the quest/mission "Do you warriors know what the mission entails" you can normally spot the idiots there and then. As other people have stated, I seen some terrible Ele's out there, far worse than any Warrior i've seen. Monks who think they still have smitting skills equiped and join me and other warriors up front. Necro's who think their minions will save them from enemy rangers.... Rangers who think they are a full warrior and don't use bows.... The only class i haven't see a "n00b" player as your put it, is a Mesmer. I play on the european servers and there is a distinct lack of mesmer who IMHO, are one of the most powerful charecters in the game... So you really can't go around saying that one class has more "n00bs" than another as it's clearly incorrect.

Jun 22, 2005, 02:09 PM // 14:09	#33
Mistress Dasha Academy Page Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: Turner of Tides Profession: W/N	lol There are alot of less skilled players doing the warrior thing but they do take the less knowledge of game mechanics to play some what effectivly... And Warrior's are the staple learning class for most MMORPG's... But once more people learn Energy management then we will see more of the other classes.. If anyone needs a good warrior let me know Grandma Dasha

Jun 22, 2005, 02:43 PM // 14:43	#34
Kaiwyn Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: BC Canada	There are some great Warriors out there...mature and knowledgeable about the game..but it is also the case that virtually every pre-pubescent, single-digit-IQ moron out there chooses to be a Warrior so they can race around hacking and slashing at things regardless of the fact that their team is dying or unable to heal between aggros. They need to either grow up, play solo or learn that this is not the game for them.

Jun 22, 2005, 03:12 PM // 15:12	#35
Rabid Weasel Academy Page Join Date: May 2005 Guild: Welsh Legion	True, i guess a lot of new players would take a warrior class, however it does take some skill to become a decent warrior, otherwise you'll end up dead, as a lot of said, will cause the rest of the group to get annoyed or not bother healing! But just to get it clear i also play a monk/mesmer and a mesmer/ele, guess this teaches me the art of being a good warrior. However you still can't tar every warrior with the same brush of being a n00b, not until you've seen them play!

Jun 22, 2005, 04:47 PM // 16:47	#36
smitty-gw Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New York	My first character was a W/Mo. I am not a noob. I am the guy usually last left standing casting rebirth on all the other "skilled" player corpses in my party.