Why I haven't joined a guild - Page 2 - Guild Wars Forums

Rhunex · Jun 01, 2005, 03:12 AM // 03:12

Ok, I'm jumping in late here(sorry), so I haven't read everyones wonderful posts on this topic...so I'm going to focus on what's near the bottom.

I agree that advertising in towns is a little weak, but I can also understand how that's the way a lot of casual players get in to guilds to just have fun. For deeper guilds, I think they should be in a party with you first, do a mission or quest perhaps, and while you're in that party, have that be your trial version of being in that guild...because that's pretty much what you do(unless you're going Hall of Heroes Hardcore with the PvP), and if you don't spend the time doing that with people, then you'll never know if they're worth having. My friend and I are about to start a guild...perhaps...We're both saving up for a Guild Hall(not the full blown 90k for the hall, about 40k or so) and that's pretty much how I'd like to get members, doesn't need to be special or anything, but I'd at least like to know the employer/employee before signing my days to them...

ihmurria · Jun 01, 2005, 04:04 AM // 04:04

There are dozens of guild listings online, even here on this site there's a big shwack listed. That's how I found my guild - wandered through a bunch of different listings visiting the pages of all the websites that interested me, found one that looked good AND had a screening process (email interview, and kicked out if people don't like you in the guild) and I really like 'em so far. Haven't grouped with them, but they're great for Q&A'ing and just being great people

Drakron · Jun 01, 2005, 04:18 AM // 04:18

I seen advertisement but no invites to me, perhaps because I run in european servers this have not reach the levels that in some other servers.

I think some people make "one player guild" to get a cape.

As for entering the guilds ... well I am lv 15 and "guildless" (and wish to remain that way for the time being) but after the Lion's Gate mission I can understand why people want to join a guild ... getting help for the co-op missions were henchman are not exactly the best choice, nothing does say being on a guild will help you pass a mission but still a well organized guild with dedicated members (meaning those lv20 that instead of farming go out and help a fellow lv 10 guild member to pass a mission and get the bonus) can make all the diference ... not that a team of random people cannot but changes you end up with a unbalanced group or with someone that log out at half the mission are as big as being in a bad guild.

Stone · Jun 01, 2005, 04:42 AM // 04:42

well i agree & disagree...

good active guilds only want experienced players, hell try getting a convo out of a higher lvl..<_< i tried to ask for help , talk meet some ppl , 2weeks now , lvl15 with my best friend henchies ive made it to Lions arc, the only place ive actually learnt about the game is this website(forums&guides), my manual & the officialsite...

Who do you really know anyway? that axe murderer youve been partying for months or that Rockstar asking for a party... whats the word? Superficial? :/

Anywayz Judge not Lest.....

Mr. Matt · Jun 01, 2005, 09:13 AM // 09:13

I have a policy regarding guilds. If my invitation consists of an unannounced 'you have 1 guild invitation', followed shortly afterwards by someone jumping in front of me saying 'join guild' over and over, I kick them between the legs and move on.

Phantom Force · Jun 01, 2005, 01:05 PM // 13:05

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Originally Posted by Vindexus

In order for our guild to invite you you have to play in Tombs with us on several occasions. Or just once if we're really impressed.

Aye I like the idea of playing with someone a few times before asking them to join your guild and inviting. I'm sure your thinking of only if you've played with them in tombs may work for your guild. But in another post recently people have been talking about vent/ts and how they use it or their whole guild uses it. Problem I said with vent/ts is that: 1) From my experience people tend to not invite you as much for tombs and some arena pvp if you don't have ts/vent. 2) I have far too much to worry about aside from listening to players talk to each other. I'm not going to list them all like I did before. But in my experience (I'm not saying it occurrs everywhere and everytime) I hardly get to do tombs and stuff because some people are discriminating because you don't have ts/vent.

Mountain Man · Jun 01, 2005, 01:42 PM // 13:42

I once joined a guild. Briefly. They seemed most interested in just blasting through the missions as quickly as possible while chatting inanely the entire time. As soon as the mission was over, I left the guild.

Garric · Jun 01, 2005, 01:42 PM // 13:42

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Originally Posted by Alzbeta

My guild only recruits members that at least one existing member can vouch for in full confidence. If you vouch for someone who ends up being an unhelpful, inactive moron, both of you are out. The obvious result of this is that our guild is very small, but we're friendly and helpful with one another. I tried a couple of guilds before I really felt comfortable, and I went with one with an officer I'd spent a lot of time with (even before he was in the guild). Good luck in your search.

Sounds like your guild is a guild of assholes, that enjoys removing members. *shrug*.

Keesa · Jun 01, 2005, 04:32 PM // 16:32

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Originally Posted by Phantom Force

Aye I like the idea of playing with someone a few times before asking them to join your guild and inviting. I'm sure your thinking of only if you've played with them in tombs may work for your guild. But in another post recently people have been talking about vent/ts and how they use it or their whole guild uses it. Problem I said with vent/ts is that: 1) From my experience people tend to not invite you as much for tombs and some arena pvp if you don't have ts/vent. 2) I have far too much to worry about aside from listening to players talk to each other. I'm not going to list them all like I did before. But in my experience (I'm not saying it occurrs everywhere and everytime) I hardly get to do tombs and stuff because some people are discriminating because you don't have ts/vent.

That's not discrimination. That's a desire to capitalize on the latest resources and technology available to be reach your best performance. Voice comm really does shave time and make a difference.

Swarnt Brightstar · Jun 01, 2005, 05:00 PM // 17:00

To be Frank, If a guild had a low amount of people it might be just a group of rl friends just wanting to play together and have a cape and a guild hall!

Robos Stavanis · Jun 01, 2005, 08:05 PM // 20:05

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Originally Posted by Phantom Force

Since I've been playing I've had a 16 N/Me, 20 W/Mo, 13 Mo/N that I've spent time playing. In every case whenever I'm in town and without fail I get an invitation to a guild by people I don't even know. I fail to see the point in joining a guild where I do not know one person and that will just invite openly. In my experience open invites tend to lead to disasters especially seeing you get such a broad range of players (not even considering PvP PvE aspects). I'd prefer to play with people who have some level of intelligence and integrity that do not act like immature 12 year olds all the time. I know there have several posts about guilds and I saw one saying well maybe if they don't get 10 members in a week they should automatically remove the guild. This idea is okay and would help get rid of low member guilds. I have a good friend who joined a guild and now he's the only one in it and he didn't start it because the other people left or don't play anymore. I'd like to start my own guild or join one, but my problem that exists is there are too many lame guilds giving free invites to joe blows just to try and claim how they have over 50-100 participating members. Whoop-di-do-da!!!! And this helps how? As it rests now I do not plan on joining a guild unless I actually start seeing the more players repetitively or I make my own and start inviting people I think might be worthwhile. I have to say just because you have a guildhall and 100 members, to me, it doesn't mean a D*** thing. Talk about going from trade spam to guildspam. Yikes.

Our guild is quite small, but that is by design. Other than for the original 3, and 1 added since then, I have only offered 2 invites, and that was after playing with the person through a few missions. We feel a Guild is much like an extended family. You don't try to make money off of each other, you help each other be the best that they can be, which sometimes includes helping others through missions, aquiring better weapons, armor or runes, etc. I am in hopes that we do grow a bit larger over time, but it will be for the right reasons, at the right time.

Phantom Force · Jun 01, 2005, 08:13 PM // 20:13

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Originally Posted by Keesa

That's not discrimination. That's a desire to capitalize on the latest resources and technology available to be reach your best performance. Voice comm really does shave time and make a difference.

You may see it that way, but you obvisouly don't have the lifestyle and same type of things going on as I do. If you ever played FFXI and got anywhere, you didn't need voice coms to communicate and play effectively. I'm not saying it isn't a nice feature but for people to tell others that sorry we don't want you or kick you out because you don't use the vent/ts then that is discrimination in my book. Just b/c you have ts/vent doesn't mean your half as good a player as "Bob the Dork" who doesn't use it. People have many reasons for choosing not to use it or can't use it, doesn't change the fact they are a good player. Except anyone unwilling to try and see how good will never know will they.

Viruzzz · Jun 01, 2005, 08:44 PM // 20:44

if you don't use vent or ts. you can't say its not better with it.

as a person constantly on vent. i can safely say it cuts time off everything. its faster to say something that to type it out..

and if you're on vent with the people in the group. they can't just leave you in the middle of a mission without giving a reason (unless they drop connection or something) i hate the times when i've tried to complete some mission. starting with a 6 man party. i end up completing the mission on my own. or having 1 teammate with me.

i was trying to get a character to ring of fire. and i needed to do thunderhead keep (obviously...) so we get a 7-man party together and bring a henchman. only to have 4 leave in the first 30 seconds because: "why are you doing this? i wanted to go to the grotto. you suck!" and "so 2 people left. we might be able to do it. but it will take another 15 minutes. screw them. i don't wanna actually work for this"

how can you tell if <class> LFG means mission or some outpost/explorable area/rune farming(like the people used to do in gates of kryta. join a random party and go drake hunting)

so this started out about how well vent works.. ended with how much i hate pick up groups.. which is why i rarely do them

Teklord · Jun 01, 2005, 10:36 PM // 22:36

Vent/TS. It isn't about weather or not it is a better experience. It was about people kicking / not allowing a person into the party (or guild) based on whether or not they have Vent/TS. That is Discrimination. As mentioned though, these people without Vent/TS can be good players and in denying them a chance to prove it, any party (or guild) is merely hurting themselves.

As a sidenote: I don't have Vent/TS... based on what I've heard about either software I'm not sure I'd want it. However, in playing Counter Strike Source, I enjoy the voice communication built in, and yes it does make for a better overall experience. More so because it isn't 'always on'. You have to press a button to activate it, thus I don't have to listen to everyone's breathing, and shouting for that matter. I'm just as good at snipering with or without the voice communication though.

Anyway, back to another issue I read about here. The Guild size restriction idea = bad idea. I am a member of a small guild, currently there are five of us. We all know each other in real life, and thus trust each other. We do plan in growing the size in the future, as I for one would love to get into GvG when I get to that point in the game. But with such a limitaion (must have 10 people) our guild would be deleted and that is simply not right. From reading posts on these forums, there are actually a few people I'd like to meet in the game, simply because they sound like mature and intelligent people here. One such person mentioned being a member of a small guild as well. A thought sparkles in my mind about merging... but that's something I can look into with that party if they're interseted.

Stone · Jun 02, 2005, 08:14 AM // 08:14

well i got vent & teamspeak both , & while they do indeed improve ingame communications for the lazy typers, i personally couldnt be buggered pushing down the up arrow everytime i wanted to talk , that & no doubt my noisy kids would jump on & think they ran a radio station.. <_<

vent helps but should not be a requisite for guilds , but then again thats what helps guilds hold a personality tho so its thier choice.
me i couldnt find a guild for me so i just opened a guildwars chapter for my beloved Utopia guild, gets a bit lonely but im sure itll fill up (if you build it they will come) sorta thing^^

Sigh.. is it just me or are most guildwars players , Negative & judgemental? ingame i ask for help or party i either get ignored or insulted , majority of posts here are bitch after moan after whine.. is it the competitiveness? im only just nearing lvl16 my first real char so i spose im just "noob".. anywayz guild or no guild it only matters that you enjoy the game & play it the best you can---or not, & make interesting friends from all over the world.

hmmm

Do you play to win, for fun , or both ? you decide, dun bitch at others for choosing different.

MaglorD · Jun 02, 2005, 08:41 AM // 08:41

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Originally Posted by Digitalblast

Im a one man clan.

I only created my guild for the cape...so it's just me, myself and I. And I can change the design of my cape at my whims and fancies.

If they really decide to close down guilds based on member count, then that's too bad. However, I don't see why they should care how many members a guild has. It's not like it's killing their servers...

Wind · Jun 02, 2005, 09:29 AM // 09:29

This is exactly why my guild is so small, i rarely ever find someone I would want to invite, but when I do, they're already in a guild (which probably doesn't have much activity anyway).

burai · Jun 08, 2005, 11:03 AM // 11:03

Does it really matter if there are only a few (or even only one) members in a Guild. Does it affect performance? Does it affect other people in the GW community?

I created a guild because I thought I may as well spend my hard-earned gold on a nice cape. I will start recruiting at some stage - once I understand how the process works. ie: finding sensible, mature, friendly & helpful people in a community that seems to be overrun by people who do not meet this criteria.

Phantom Force · Jun 08, 2005, 12:48 PM // 12:48

Well I originally thought that if you have a guild smaller, say less than 8 people, then they shouldn't allow the guild. Since I started the post I've joined 3 different guilds which I tried based on talking to a current member. In that time all but one of the guilds disbanded. Leaders left, officers left, etc. etc. In the other guild it was just a few people who were acting like 12 year olds. Thus I think I will still stay away from a guild unless I get to know someone well and they can say their guild doesn't suck and won't break up in a day or two. I'd prefer to just get my own damn cape and guild and I'd be happy with that at this point.

As for discrimination towards people who don't use ts/vent, which was talked about before, I will NEVER use it. I could care less what some loser on the other end thinks. TS/Vent may be useful and give a slight advantage, but I'd like to see the proof. I'm sure the major PvP'ers use it, but they've also been PvP'ing a lot more than anyone else. I guarantee if you have a good group of 8 who play together a lot, have PvP'd and understand the game well. They could do just as well if not better than those with ts/vent. Not to mention who wants to listen to a 15 year old on vent/ts acting like a retard. I work in public school systems and see/hear enough crap from them in a day. Don't need it in a game I enjoy playing.

toastgodsupreme · Jun 08, 2005, 01:00 PM // 13:00

I collect guild invitations. I had about 10 at one point before I goofed around with making a guild and cape for about 5 minutes, then went back to being guildless. XD

Jun 01, 2005, 03:12 AM // 03:12	#21
Rhunex Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Guild: Dark Nightmare Profession: E/	Ok, I'm jumping in late here(sorry), so I haven't read everyones wonderful posts on this topic...so I'm going to focus on what's near the bottom. I agree that advertising in towns is a little weak, but I can also understand how that's the way a lot of casual players get in to guilds to just have fun. For deeper guilds, I think they should be in a party with you first, do a mission or quest perhaps, and while you're in that party, have that be your trial version of being in that guild...because that's pretty much what you do(unless you're going Hall of Heroes Hardcore with the PvP), and if you don't spend the time doing that with people, then you'll never know if they're worth having. My friend and I are about to start a guild...perhaps...We're both saving up for a Guild Hall(not the full blown 90k for the hall, about 40k or so) and that's pretty much how I'd like to get members, doesn't need to be special or anything, but I'd at least like to know the employer/employee before signing my days to them...

Jun 01, 2005, 04:04 AM // 04:04	#22
ihmurria Academy Page Join Date: May 2005 Location: Canuckia	There are dozens of guild listings online, even here on this site there's a big shwack listed. That's how I found my guild - wandered through a bunch of different listings visiting the pages of all the websites that interested me, found one that looked good AND had a screening process (email interview, and kicked out if people don't like you in the guild) and I really like 'em so far. Haven't grouped with them, but they're great for Q&A'ing and just being great people

Jun 01, 2005, 04:18 AM // 04:18	#23
Drakron Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005	I seen advertisement but no invites to me, perhaps because I run in european servers this have not reach the levels that in some other servers. I think some people make "one player guild" to get a cape. As for entering the guilds ... well I am lv 15 and "guildless" (and wish to remain that way for the time being) but after the Lion's Gate mission I can understand why people want to join a guild ... getting help for the co-op missions were henchman are not exactly the best choice, nothing does say being on a guild will help you pass a mission but still a well organized guild with dedicated members (meaning those lv20 that instead of farming go out and help a fellow lv 10 guild member to pass a mission and get the bonus) can make all the diference ... not that a team of random people cannot but changes you end up with a unbalanced group or with someone that log out at half the mission are as big as being in a bad guild.

Jun 01, 2005, 04:42 AM // 04:42	#24
Stone Academy Page Join Date: May 2005 Location: Australia Guild: Sacred Order Profession: E/Mo	well i agree & disagree... good active guilds only want experienced players, hell try getting a convo out of a higher lvl..<_< i tried to ask for help , talk meet some ppl , 2weeks now , lvl15 with my best friend henchies ive made it to Lions arc, the only place ive actually learnt about the game is this website(forums&guides), my manual & the officialsite... Who do you really know anyway? that axe murderer youve been partying for months or that Rockstar asking for a party... whats the word? Superficial? :/ Anywayz Judge not Lest.....

Jun 01, 2005, 09:13 AM // 09:13	#25
Mr. Matt Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Profession: R/Mo	I have a policy regarding guilds. If my invitation consists of an unannounced 'you have 1 guild invitation', followed shortly afterwards by someone jumping in front of me saying 'join guild' over and over, I kick them between the legs and move on.

Jun 01, 2005, 01:42 PM // 13:42	#27
Mountain Man Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005 Profession: N/E	I once joined a guild. Briefly. They seemed most interested in just blasting through the missions as quickly as possible while chatting inanely the entire time. As soon as the mission was over, I left the guild.

Jun 01, 2005, 05:00 PM // 17:00	#30
Swarnt Brightstar Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Location: Mongolia!... But sadly Florida Guild: Rulers of Mythology <ROM> Profession: R/Mo	To be Frank, If a guild had a low amount of people it might be just a group of rl friends just wanting to play together and have a cape and a guild hall!

Jun 01, 2005, 08:44 PM // 20:44	#33
Viruzzz Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005	if you don't use vent or ts. you can't say its not better with it. as a person constantly on vent. i can safely say it cuts time off everything. its faster to say something that to type it out.. and if you're on vent with the people in the group. they can't just leave you in the middle of a mission without giving a reason (unless they drop connection or something) i hate the times when i've tried to complete some mission. starting with a 6 man party. i end up completing the mission on my own. or having 1 teammate with me. i was trying to get a character to ring of fire. and i needed to do thunderhead keep (obviously...) so we get a 7-man party together and bring a henchman. only to have 4 leave in the first 30 seconds because: "why are you doing this? i wanted to go to the grotto. you suck!" and "so 2 people left. we might be able to do it. but it will take another 15 minutes. screw them. i don't wanna actually work for this" how can you tell if <class> LFG means mission or some outpost/explorable area/rune farming(like the people used to do in gates of kryta. join a random party and go drake hunting) so this started out about how well vent works.. ended with how much i hate pick up groups.. which is why i rarely do them

Jun 01, 2005, 10:36 PM // 22:36	#34
Teklord Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lloyd.ab.ca Guild: Lords of All Profession: R/Mo	Vent/TS. It isn't about weather or not it is a better experience. It was about people kicking / not allowing a person into the party (or guild) based on whether or not they have Vent/TS. That is Discrimination. As mentioned though, these people without Vent/TS can be good players and in denying them a chance to prove it, any party (or guild) is merely hurting themselves. As a sidenote: I don't have Vent/TS... based on what I've heard about either software I'm not sure I'd want it. However, in playing Counter Strike Source, I enjoy the voice communication built in, and yes it does make for a better overall experience. More so because it isn't 'always on'. You have to press a button to activate it, thus I don't have to listen to everyone's breathing, and shouting for that matter. I'm just as good at snipering with or without the voice communication though. Anyway, back to another issue I read about here. The Guild size restriction idea = bad idea. I am a member of a small guild, currently there are five of us. We all know each other in real life, and thus trust each other. We do plan in growing the size in the future, as I for one would love to get into GvG when I get to that point in the game. But with such a limitaion (must have 10 people) our guild would be deleted and that is simply not right. From reading posts on these forums, there are actually a few people I'd like to meet in the game, simply because they sound like mature and intelligent people here. One such person mentioned being a member of a small guild as well. A thought sparkles in my mind about merging... but that's something I can look into with that party if they're interseted.

Jun 02, 2005, 08:14 AM // 08:14	#35
Stone Academy Page Join Date: May 2005 Location: Australia Guild: Sacred Order Profession: E/Mo	well i got vent & teamspeak both , & while they do indeed improve ingame communications for the lazy typers, i personally couldnt be buggered pushing down the up arrow everytime i wanted to talk , that & no doubt my noisy kids would jump on & think they ran a radio station.. <_< vent helps but should not be a requisite for guilds , but then again thats what helps guilds hold a personality tho so its thier choice. me i couldnt find a guild for me so i just opened a guildwars chapter for my beloved Utopia guild, gets a bit lonely but im sure itll fill up (if you build it they will come) sorta thing^^ Sigh.. is it just me or are most guildwars players , Negative & judgemental? ingame i ask for help or party i either get ignored or insulted , majority of posts here are bitch after moan after whine.. is it the competitiveness? im only just nearing lvl16 my first real char so i spose im just "noob".. anywayz guild or no guild it only matters that you enjoy the game & play it the best you can---or not, & make interesting friends from all over the world. hmmm Do you play to win, for fun , or both ? you decide, dun bitch at others for choosing different.

Jun 02, 2005, 09:29 AM // 09:29	#37
Wind Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2005 Profession: W/Mo	This is exactly why my guild is so small, i rarely ever find someone I would want to invite, but when I do, they're already in a guild (which probably doesn't have much activity anyway).

Jun 08, 2005, 11:03 AM // 11:03	#38
burai Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: May 2005 Location: Fishermen's Haven Profession: W/	Does it really matter if there are only a few (or even only one) members in a Guild. Does it affect performance? Does it affect other people in the GW community? I created a guild because I thought I may as well spend my hard-earned gold on a nice cape. I will start recruiting at some stage - once I understand how the process works. ie: finding sensible, mature, friendly & helpful people in a community that seems to be overrun by people who do not meet this criteria.

Jun 08, 2005, 12:48 PM // 12:48	#39
Phantom Force Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005 Location: New York Profession: W/Mo	Well I originally thought that if you have a guild smaller, say less than 8 people, then they shouldn't allow the guild. Since I started the post I've joined 3 different guilds which I tried based on talking to a current member. In that time all but one of the guilds disbanded. Leaders left, officers left, etc. etc. In the other guild it was just a few people who were acting like 12 year olds. Thus I think I will still stay away from a guild unless I get to know someone well and they can say their guild doesn't suck and won't break up in a day or two. I'd prefer to just get my own damn cape and guild and I'd be happy with that at this point. As for discrimination towards people who don't use ts/vent, which was talked about before, I will NEVER use it. I could care less what some loser on the other end thinks. TS/Vent may be useful and give a slight advantage, but I'd like to see the proof. I'm sure the major PvP'ers use it, but they've also been PvP'ing a lot more than anyone else. I guarantee if you have a good group of 8 who play together a lot, have PvP'd and understand the game well. They could do just as well if not better than those with ts/vent. Not to mention who wants to listen to a 15 year old on vent/ts acting like a retard. I work in public school systems and see/hear enough crap from them in a day. Don't need it in a game I enjoy playing.

Jun 08, 2005, 01:00 PM // 13:00	#40
toastgodsupreme Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2005 Location: United States Profession: Me/	I collect guild invitations. I had about 10 at one point before I goofed around with making a guild and cape for about 5 minutes, then went back to being guildless. XD