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Hakaido · Jun 30, 2005, 03:06 PM // 15:06

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Originally Posted by MCS

It reminds me of these morons who get mad when their hacks have trojans.

There was this one "hack site" for Diablo II, it was the greatest site EVER.

If you downloaded their "hacks" it made you spam for the site. Nothing was better than seeing people

GO TO www.BLAHBLAHBLAH.COM FOR HACKS!!
www.BLAHBLAHBLAH.COM FOR ALL YOUR HACKING NEEDS
WTF I'M NOT SAYING THIS MAKE IT STOP
www.BLAHBLAHBLAH.COM IMPROVED MH
OMFG WTF I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING SOMEONE HACKED ME

Not quite as bad but what can ya do.

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!! That is the funniest thing I've heard of.... OMF I would love to see something like happen to a hacker.

Orderless · Jun 30, 2005, 03:47 PM // 15:47

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Originally Posted by MJ12trooper

ok i need to know how to report people cause there is this guy charfing 1.7k to help run people from beacons perch to draknors and he just ripped 6 people in our party off

his name is arch adw

Give me a break pal. You paid some stranger up front for something that is intangable. What do you want fool? Man everytime I get on these forums its riddeled with babies crying over spilled milk and asking for someone to be punished for their own ignorance.

Learn from your lesson and dont pay till you get there. Period. Asking for someone to be punished is stupid. For all we know he was running it and you were as annoying as your post and he said screw it, leaving you high and dry. Tough luck. I am appalled by your inablility to reconize your faults in this trade gone bad. The youth of today just makes me sick. They are always the victims yet, never seem to ever put the term "risk" into their descions. Didnt your moma tell you not to trade with strangers? lol

EvilWizard · Jun 30, 2005, 04:16 PM // 16:16

Just report him. Maybe you will be lucky and they keep chat logs or maybe you won't. Get others to report him too as more people reporting lends credence to your argument. People who say things like "He can just argue that you gave him the money for no reason...." really need to understand that this is a game environment and not a court of law where reasonable doubt wins... If the support folks can monitor trades and see that X people traded him X gold during this time frame and are reporting him for scamming them then they may go ahead and take action based on the likelihood of the report being true.

Orderless · Jun 30, 2005, 04:40 PM // 16:40

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Originally Posted by EvilWizard

Just report him. Maybe you will be lucky and they keep chat logs or maybe you won't. Get others to report him too as more people reporting lends credence to your argument. People who say things like "He can just argue that you gave him the money for no reason...." really need to understand that this is a game environment and not a court of law where reasonable doubt wins... If the support folks can monitor trades and see that X people traded him X gold during this time frame and are reporting him for scamming them then they may go ahead and take action based on the likelihood of the report being true.

First off you should be cained in the middle of the street while we all watch.

Secondly, RISK. He ASSUMED a RISK when he gave the money upfront. Argue that. Cause im standing on the other side of the issue abosolutly blind to your issue or claim.

Saya · Jun 30, 2005, 04:43 PM // 16:43

Seems like some people here miss the point. It doesn't matter why or about what the deal has been made.
The problem is that people are out there using scamming as their main source of income, which is clearly an abuse and griefing of other players and therefore against the license agreement.

rickhunterx · Jun 30, 2005, 05:03 PM // 17:03

while we are on the topic of reporting....i'm not sure how to report either....i recently sent an email reporting a player holding ransom for completing the borilis pass mission....he said he wouldn't light the torches at the end of the mission unless he was paid.....but i'm awaiting a response from the website (maybe i won't get one lol) .....but if i do get redirected to a proper "reporting" form i'll post it here

Calrisian Nantos · Jun 30, 2005, 05:07 PM // 17:07

There are several legitament and true runners that can be found in the active districts,just use some common sense and watch the trade and local chat for a while and you will begin to see several people either recomend someone who is advertising a runners service,or you will see that person type something like "Starting run be back in 20-30 min for next group"Ive done all missions up to Ice Caves of sorrow and got to droknars by doing Dragons Lair,however last night my friend and I were in Beacons after running a lower level friend from Yak's/Borlis and I decided I would play dumb and try out a couple of running services if for nothing else just to watch it get done,so I found a group charging 1.5 at rankor and 1.5 at droknars,it was a really fun thing watching these two warriors run and sometimes battle thru hordes of grawl and trolls,they got there with a very small death penalty and it was a cool thing to watch if you have a few grand to blow which most of us do,bottom line is you made a bad choice and its not that hard to find the right person,with all due respect....

Edit>wow I was responding to one a few posts up Im starting to realize how busy this place is,sry for the confusion

Saya · Jun 30, 2005, 05:08 PM // 17:08

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Originally Posted by rickhunterx

while we are on the topic of reporting....i'm not sure how to report either....

Go to www.guildwars.com and click on the "Support" link in the main menu.
Click on the "Ask a Question" link, where you can send a support request for all kinds of stuff, including "Violation Report".

Always make sure to add:
- offenders name(s)
- date and time (plus your timezone) of the incident
- detailed description
- a screenshot as a proof (can be attached to the report through that form)

stumpy · Jun 30, 2005, 05:12 PM // 17:12

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Originally Posted by MJ12trooper

U Guys Arnt Very Good At Answering Questions

actually they are ... they are just being polite at telling you to suck it up princess.

I sympathize but I will tell you what will happen ... Anet will reply with a sympathetic messege explaining that there was no bug in the game and transactions between players ARE between the community. They do NOT involve themselves in such a manner and although unfortunate they cannot do anything about it. Example ... if they did do something (every tom dick and harry would fals report when they felt petty to get someone else razzed) ... unfortunately Anet does NOT have the manpower nor the fact as this is fantasy not reality.

You should be more careful with your money. People WILL rip off others ... ESPECIALLY when there is a prime opportunity to do so like a droknars run. Sometimes the hard road is the right road ... good luck in the future.

EDIT ----- I have been ripped off numerous times ... and unfortunately my friend was for 30 plat ... but this is similar to what Anet reponded saying.

rickhunterx · Jun 30, 2005, 05:13 PM // 17:13

aaah..thank u very much....i tend to help out on a bunch of missions and stuff....but borilis pass is very bad....all dependent on one player lighting the torches...i'll have to remember this thanks again

Saya · Jun 30, 2005, 05:18 PM // 17:18

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Originally Posted by stumpy

actually they are ... they are just being polite at telling you to suck it up princess.

I sympathize but I will tell you what will happen ... Anet will reply with a sympathetic messege explaining that there was no bug in the game and transactions between players ARE between the community. They do NOT involve themselves in such a manner and although unfortunate they cannot do anything about it. Example ... if they did do something (every tom dick and harry would fals report when they felt petty to get someone else razzed) ... unfortunately Anet does NOT have the manpower nor the fact as this is fantasy not reality.

Nope,

maybe it depends on how or what you are reporting, but I received a reply, where they asked me for further details (date, time & timezone) and the next reply was s.th. like:
"We will be investigating this issue, but since it is a violation against the license agreement between anet and the player, further steps regarding this issue will be handled between anet and the player."

Basically stating that you won't receive any further details on how they deal with the person or what comes out of the report.

Ristaron · Jun 30, 2005, 05:32 PM // 17:32

I keep seeing all these "don't pay until you get there" messages, but I am interested in doing runs for money, and I have to look through a runner's point of view. If you wait until Droknar's to get paid, who's to say the people you taxi'd won't scam you and not pay? They are under no obligation to pay you, unless they give in to being in your debt.
I applaud the development of the installments at area changes, I was thinking along the same thing.
Any runner out there who has any tips for me?

Oh, and I never cease to be disgusted with people who scam like that, leaving the district after getting paid. As profitable as it may seem, you can only do it so many times, then you need to think up a new plan. I hope they get satisfication out of it, because they earn the eternal hatred of everyone else.

dirtisgood · Jun 30, 2005, 05:34 PM // 17:34

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Originally Posted by Aka

I have sympathy, but since 'forge running' is such an anomaly in the game I don't know if A-net would kick someone for not delivering. Unless you had ironclad screens to document the rip-off.

I keep expecting them to make the run impossible somehow...

I had a similar thing happen to me at Temple of Ages where you have to pay 1000g to get into the Underworld - not an anomaly, but a part of the game. A guy gathered a party and as soon as the last person paid up their portion, he logged out. I reported him to Anet and here is their reply.

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Hello,

Thanks for getting in touch with us regarding your question about player agreements.

We know that transactions that take place in the game world often involve a certain element of trust. A player will need to place trust in another player to fulfill his or her end of an agreement. Occasionally a player will go back on an agreement or act in a less-than-honest manner. Unfortunately, such acts are matters over which we have no control and about which we cannot take corrective measures. If a player does not live up to his or her end of an agreement we are unable to force that player to do so. However, if we find that a player has violated the Terms of Service or Rules of Conduct (http://www.guildwars.com/legal/rules-of-conduct.html) we will take the necessary and appropriate actions against that player. If account actions are required; disclosure of this information will only be conveyed to the offending party; we are not at liberty to discuss account related issues with anyone but the account holder due to our privacy policy.

If you have additional questions please let us know.

Regards,

The Guild Wars Support Team

I interpreted this as "we can't get your money back, but we may ban him. If we do we can't tell you though."

He did violate the Rules of Conduct - rule number 1 in fact

1. While playing Guild Wars, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players.

However, the whole thing could have been accidental - he could have lost his connection for instance. I know I would hate for this to happen if I was the party leader and have my account banned because my ISP stinks.

Bottom line is I have no idea how or if Anet could even keep up with incidents like this, so I suspect it is wisest to use caution when giving money in the game for something intangible like the Dronknar's runs or even UW or FoW.

stumpy · Jun 30, 2005, 05:35 PM // 17:35

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Originally Posted by Saya

Nope,

maybe it depends on how or what you are reporting, but I received a reply, where they asked me for further details (date, time & timezone) and the next reply was s.th. like:
"We will be investigating this issue, but since it is a violation against the license agreement between anet and the player, further steps regarding this issue will be handled between anet and the player."

Basically stating that you won't receive any further details on how they deal with the person or what comes out of the report.

My wording is a bit off but the jest of it for us was ... they couldn't do anything about it. A player versus player tansaction is dealt within the community.

So yes ... but circumstantial I gather. Hope yours was resolved.

Orderless · Jun 30, 2005, 06:39 PM // 18:39

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Originally Posted by Saya

Seems like some people here miss the point. It doesn't matter why or about what the deal has been made.
The problem is that people are out there using scamming as their main source of income, which is clearly an abuse and griefing of other players and therefore against the license agreement.

Saya and the originator of this post I nor the rest missed your point. Let me make something clear to you. Examples of legitimate grevinces would be hacking into a account and taking the money, stealing someones acct or spamming a lobby with racial slurs. Those are real abuses.

What you describe is childish I will explain this so even the kids will understand. To play guildwars YOU are NOT required to use TRADE. It is an extra feature. So you decide to use the trade and you assume a risk. you dont want want to work to get to droknar or find the item you want so YOU decide to take a easier route.

Now your asking the gw staff to wade through your petty little trade disputes and mediate them. What a crock. Imagine this you got a guy making 40k a year working on solving problems and his email is filling up with this drivel from little babies who think he should fix THEIR mistakes. Look here is the bottom line. YOU make it harder for people to do their jobs with your endless complaints about how you were wronged. Which you already know was because you assumed a risk and now expect them to hold someone liable.....Over what a couple grand of online fake money that you obviously didnt care enough about to becareful with.

You disgust me. I firmly believe that each and everyone of you that bog down the gw staff with this garbage should be flogged in public then made to sleep with the pigs for a few nights, then mb you can think of a ligitimate grip. Right now you got nothin but cry baby syndrome thats getting pretty old. I read these forums everyday in hopes to better my knowledge of the game and each day there is more and more babies on here diluting the content with your senseless drivel.

Saya · Jun 30, 2005, 06:45 PM // 18:45

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Originally Posted by Orderless

To play guildwars YOU are NOT required to use TRADE. It is an extra feature. So you decide to use the trade and you assume a risk. you dont want want to work to get to droknar or find the item you want so YOU decide to take a easier route.

lol, s.o. seems to be afraid of losing a source of income, it seems.

Maybe you should've read my post, because I mentioned that I don't mind losing the money, as it's my own fault, but as soon as a player starts deliberately annoying a whole lot of other players, then we're talking griefing -> welcome to Reportsville

EvilWizard · Jun 30, 2005, 06:51 PM // 18:51

Orderless your argument could be applied to most any monetary transaction. Do I assume a risk when I pay up front for any service and therefore by assuming that risk there is no recourse to take to air grievance or attempt to get reimbursement? That is fairly absurd. Your posts here are petty and of little to no help to the fair question being asked. You assume there is no recourse, but in many other games activities such as trades (monetary or item) are stored via database and can be recalled for review (yes technology is great isn't it!) On top of that there is also the possibility that chat is also tracked. The GW support staff is paid to help people and if they want to limit what you call "cry baby syndrome" type emails then they can ensure that a defined account of what problems not to send to them is outlined before the consumers making the report. I truly believe your comments thus far are not only unfounded, but ignorant and childish as well.

Oh and BTW I am sure that there are many people who would love to get paid 40K a year to sit and sort through emails discussing problems in a video game (but obviously that isn't you so don't apply

)

Orderless · Jun 30, 2005, 06:55 PM // 18:55

Me lose my source of income? You think because I find your post full of mindless childish drivel, im a crook or that I agree with scammers? You are so ignorant I am not even sure why I bother with a response for you.

Listen I am saying what you are claiming as "griefing" is your interpretation. My belief is that the term is for actions which you do not bring upon yourself.
I suppose though thats too hard for you to understand. You are a prime example of what is wrong with the youth today. I suppose its way too much to expect you to be responsible for your own actions.

And for the record I have been a serious online gamer for 5 years and have never been a problem maker. Funny part is this is my first mmorph and now I can see why people ridicule you all so much and give you the nerd or nerds name. I have never played a game where I have seen so many cry babies. Its disgusting.

Sir Skullcrasher · Jun 30, 2005, 07:00 PM // 19:00

Yeah, i see stuff like this at Grendich Courthouse. People would offereing 10 or 20k to take people to Yak Bend and i recently got to Yak Bend and damn, its the hardest area to be at. So many hydras and stone fury. And they got most of the places blocked.

To think that i help people out with hard quest for free, i should have at least charge them some gold (like 500 to 1k) cuz i can sure use some gold to get weapons and upgrades.

Orderless · Jun 30, 2005, 07:10 PM // 19:10

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Originally Posted by EvilWizard

Orderless your argument could be applied to most any monetary transaction. Do I assume a risk when I pay up front for any service and therefore by assuming that risk there is no recourse to take to air grievance or attempt to get reimbursement?

Damn right you assume risk when you pay upfront, why is that hard for you to grasp? Everything you have to say is worthless after that. How can you say you dont assume a risk when this whole thread is dedicated to a discussion about that risk fool. You say my post is petty and offers no solution? I already told you the solution you just cant seem to digest it. Becareful of who and for what you make trades on. Period.

You expect people to be working on tracking people down for your bad descions. Thats the point. You think im the minority here? HA. Good luck pal as I know a couple of the guys who have to work on your BS emails and they feel the same way I do. So good luck convincing people to your point of view. I gave you the solution but you still assume its another responsibility to correct the situation everytime someone wrongs you and I am telling you in plain english it isnt going to happen. So watch where you spend you money and the trades you make if its going to wreck your day, cause when you send that in my pal after reading 50 of these in a row give even less of a crap than I do.

Jun 30, 2005, 05:07 PM // 17:07	#27
Calrisian Nantos Academy Page Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Birmingham Alabama Guild: Psychic Distraction[PD] Profession: R/	There are several legitament and true runners that can be found in the active districts,just use some common sense and watch the trade and local chat for a while and you will begin to see several people either recomend someone who is advertising a runners service,or you will see that person type something like "Starting run be back in 20-30 min for next group"Ive done all missions up to Ice Caves of sorrow and got to droknars by doing Dragons Lair,however last night my friend and I were in Beacons after running a lower level friend from Yak's/Borlis and I decided I would play dumb and try out a couple of running services if for nothing else just to watch it get done,so I found a group charging 1.5 at rankor and 1.5 at droknars,it was a really fun thing watching these two warriors run and sometimes battle thru hordes of grawl and trolls,they got there with a very small death penalty and it was a cool thing to watch if you have a few grand to blow which most of us do,bottom line is you made a bad choice and its not that hard to find the right person,with all due respect.... Edit>wow I was responding to one a few posts up Im starting to realize how busy this place is,sry for the confusion Last edited by Calrisian Nantos; Jun 30, 2005 at 05:09 PM // 17:09..

Jun 30, 2005, 04:16 PM // 16:16	#23
EvilWizard Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2005 Profession: N/R	Just report him. Maybe you will be lucky and they keep chat logs or maybe you won't. Get others to report him too as more people reporting lends credence to your argument. People who say things like "He can just argue that you gave him the money for no reason...." really need to understand that this is a game environment and not a court of law where reasonable doubt wins... If the support folks can monitor trades and see that X people traded him X gold during this time frame and are reporting him for scamming them then they may go ahead and take action based on the likelihood of the report being true.

Jun 30, 2005, 04:43 PM // 16:43	#25
Saya Academy Page Join Date: Apr 2005	Seems like some people here miss the point. It doesn't matter why or about what the deal has been made. The problem is that people are out there using scamming as their main source of income, which is clearly an abuse and griefing of other players and therefore against the license agreement.

Jun 30, 2005, 05:03 PM // 17:03	#26
rickhunterx Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: Council of The Draconis Profession: W/Mo	while we are on the topic of reporting....i'm not sure how to report either....i recently sent an email reporting a player holding ransom for completing the borilis pass mission....he said he wouldn't light the torches at the end of the mission unless he was paid.....but i'm awaiting a response from the website (maybe i won't get one lol) .....but if i do get redirected to a proper "reporting" form i'll post it here

Jun 30, 2005, 05:13 PM // 17:13	#30
rickhunterx Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: Council of The Draconis Profession: W/Mo	aaah..thank u very much....i tend to help out on a bunch of missions and stuff....but borilis pass is very bad....all dependent on one player lighting the torches...i'll have to remember this thanks again

Jun 30, 2005, 05:32 PM // 17:32	#32
Ristaron Desert Nomad Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Canada, eh? Guild: Legion Of Valhalla Profession: E/	I keep seeing all these "don't pay until you get there" messages, but I am interested in doing runs for money, and I have to look through a runner's point of view. If you wait until Droknar's to get paid, who's to say the people you taxi'd won't scam you and not pay? They are under no obligation to pay you, unless they give in to being in your debt. I applaud the development of the installments at area changes, I was thinking along the same thing. Any runner out there who has any tips for me? Oh, and I never cease to be disgusted with people who scam like that, leaving the district after getting paid. As profitable as it may seem, you can only do it so many times, then you need to think up a new plan. I hope they get satisfication out of it, because they earn the eternal hatred of everyone else.

Jun 30, 2005, 06:51 PM // 18:51	#37
EvilWizard Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2005 Profession: N/R	Orderless your argument could be applied to most any monetary transaction. Do I assume a risk when I pay up front for any service and therefore by assuming that risk there is no recourse to take to air grievance or attempt to get reimbursement? That is fairly absurd. Your posts here are petty and of little to no help to the fair question being asked. You assume there is no recourse, but in many other games activities such as trades (monetary or item) are stored via database and can be recalled for review (yes technology is great isn't it!) On top of that there is also the possibility that chat is also tracked. The GW support staff is paid to help people and if they want to limit what you call "cry baby syndrome" type emails then they can ensure that a defined account of what problems not to send to them is outlined before the consumers making the report. I truly believe your comments thus far are not only unfounded, but ignorant and childish as well. Oh and BTW I am sure that there are many people who would love to get paid 40K a year to sit and sort through emails discussing problems in a video game (but obviously that isn't you so don't apply )

Jun 30, 2005, 06:55 PM // 18:55	#38
Orderless Academy Page Join Date: Apr 2005	Me lose my source of income? You think because I find your post full of mindless childish drivel, im a crook or that I agree with scammers? You are so ignorant I am not even sure why I bother with a response for you. Listen I am saying what you are claiming as "griefing" is your interpretation. My belief is that the term is for actions which you do not bring upon yourself. I suppose though thats too hard for you to understand. You are a prime example of what is wrong with the youth today. I suppose its way too much to expect you to be responsible for your own actions. And for the record I have been a serious online gamer for 5 years and have never been a problem maker. Funny part is this is my first mmorph and now I can see why people ridicule you all so much and give you the nerd or nerds name. I have never played a game where I have seen so many cry babies. Its disgusting.

Jun 30, 2005, 07:00 PM // 19:00	#39
Sir Skullcrasher Furnace Stoker Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: California Guild: 15 over 50 [Rare] Profession: W/Mo	Yeah, i see stuff like this at Grendich Courthouse. People would offereing 10 or 20k to take people to Yak Bend and i recently got to Yak Bend and damn, its the hardest area to be at. So many hydras and stone fury. And they got most of the places blocked. To think that i help people out with hard quest for free, i should have at least charge them some gold (like 500 to 1k) cuz i can sure use some gold to get weapons and upgrades.