Question about trading - Page 2 - Guild Wars Forums

Maxiemonster · Jun 30, 2005, 10:21 PM // 22:21

Selling items for more then 100K is just useless, if you really think it's worth more then the 100K, just let him add an item. You'll get screwed anyway... And I think you've just lost the item, he wont get banned or anything, since you can't prove anything

But well, 100K is pretty much anyway, so you shouldn't be sad anyway !

=HT=Ingram · Jun 30, 2005, 11:01 PM // 23:01

generally speaking I have given away almost every item in the game at one time or another. I don't sell stuff unless I need a little bit for something from a NPC and I'm desperate. but our people in our guild give tons away all the time. 98% of the time I can get gold from members and in turn I give gold when they need it. so its rare that I need anything from anyone item or gold wise. I PLAY THE GAME.

Heck I gave both a superior Vigor and a Superior Absorption out to a fellow guild member that didn't have it yet, and wanted it for their PvE character just recently. I unlocked both and found both so I had it. and I gave it to him. with no problem at all. Why? cause he is a good guy and helps other guild members as I do all the time. I in fact thought he had already unlocked it and didn't know he didn't. so he and I proceeded to go out and get it for him that day in a matter of a few hours he had the vigor unlocked at least.

today we went and won a few guild battles and 2 he won twice in hall of heroes and unlocked the absorption rune.

Beramee · Jul 01, 2005, 12:24 PM // 12:24

WOW!!!!.. ok.. so you guys just wanna abuse people for asking questions.. (not talking to people who answered without slander)

I was selling an item based on current price trends, much like dye at the trader, it is based off current trends... so in some peoples opinions here that would make ANET a bunch of ripoffs because the dye traders etc are ripping people off?

another point was that trading is optional.. of course it is.. but that makes the game... otherwise it would be a once through game or a pvp only game.. trading is part of GW otherwise it wouldn't have been implemented in the first place.

So I guess your answers are.. you a tool for trading items at market value... your a tool for trading, your a tool for asking questions in the questions and answers forum.. basicly people must have no idea that this game is a mmorpg instead of a pvp game. Trade makes the game playable longer. Or you just hate the fact that you can't sell or buy good items, and want everything cheap. Buy a house, a Car, raise Kids.. for 5 gold.. :P Life aint cheap and niether should good items in a game be for a mmorpg, other wise the game would last 1 week before everyone had the best of the best.. and gameplay woould be no more fun.. what would you strive for?

Well I will not ask anymore questions here as most of the answers i got had no relation to my question, and this shows the maturity of the posters. BUT thanks to the people that posted legitimate responses.

EvilWizard · Jul 01, 2005, 12:40 PM // 12:40

Don't mind Orderless. He keeps posting the same bitter comments over and over again. The problem here is that items are worth what people pay for them and if people are willing to pay 200K for an item then that is fine. The issue is that the game doesn't allow for that much money to be kept on person as one time obviously and that is something that they should try to fix in the future. Orderless you keep saying you assume risk repeatedly, but you assume risk in anything you do (going outside, going to the movies, going to the bathroom cuz there may be a snake in the toilet....) Just because risk is assumed by action does not mean that you cannot attempt to find retribution. If you don't like these kinds of posts then don't bother reading them. The title is pretty clear in most and your comments are belligerent at best. Be an adult and move on.

Dreamsmith · Jul 01, 2005, 01:01 PM // 13:01

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Originally Posted by Beramee

So what can i do about this.. I took screenies of the convo etc.. can I report this guy?.. or am I just **** out of luck? cause this sux.. I didn't need trades.. I am getting rid of items for guild money etc.

Advice appreciated.

I doubt you can report the guy. You can say whatever you want in chat, but a trade isn't a trade until you both put your offers in the Trade window and clinch the deal with that Accept button. And when you do do that, that's your signature on the contract, as it were -- you've just agreed that you're willing to make that deal. Whatever was said in chat is irrelevant. If someone says in chat they'll give you 500gp for a rune, but when the trade window comes up they only offer 400gp and say they've changed their mind, well, they're free to do that, and you're free to either accept or cancel, but it ain't a "reportable" offense.

In this case, the problem is, you're thinking you arranged one trade with this person, but in fact you arranged two. You arranged to sell him an item for 100p and a bowstring, then to sell a bowstring for 80p. He accepted the first trade, then rejected the second. He's free to do that. Again, there's no offense here to report, people can say they'll trade things with you in chat all they want and then not actually do it. It's sad that people can give their word and then break it, but c'est la vie...

smitty-gw · Jul 01, 2005, 01:08 PM // 13:08

Look, the bottom line is A-net limits the amount of gold you can carry. A-net does not see this as a problem because A-net does not want items being traded for these amounts of money. They will allow it, but frown upon it. It's player risk.

This inflation promotes farming for gold, it promotes botting to farm for gold constantly. Another option to attain this amount of gold is to grind... grind... grind.

The other alternative is to e-bay gold for real money.

After their experience with the Diablo2 item fiasco, they cannot possibly want nor promote the above-mentioned courses of action to attain gold, can they?

Look at their patches. They continually try to make items, runes, etc. easier to attain to eliminate the grind mentality, eliminate the need for bots, e-bay etc.

If A-net facilitates the skyrocketing prices for items to continue in its present fashion, then this game is done. It will be no different than the blokes that made those ridiculously unattainable runes in D2, which really could only be attained unfairly. Shame on Blizzard for doing that.

This game will be divided into two sub-cultures. The casual gamer who can compete as easily as the hardcore player, as A-net promised, and the elitist mass production guilds who gold farm incessantly by whatever means neccessary, can buy any item they desire, set prices at vendors to exclude non-elite players, etc.

If A-net increases the capacity to hold gold, then they will have tipped their hand. They should be careful here.

EvilWizard · Jul 01, 2005, 01:10 PM // 13:10

I was going to argue with you Dreamsmith because verbal/written agreement was made via the chat and if we're going into contract law then that would be considered the terms, but unfortunately your point is absolutely correct because the screenshots of the chat are submitted by the complainee and therefore could have been altered

Does anyone know if chat and/or trade transactions between players are recorded. I know they were for EQ and it made it easier for EQ GMs to get players back their items when trades went bad because they could refer back to their own logs to verify if the complaint was legitimate or not.

MAJIC · Jul 01, 2005, 05:19 PM // 17:19

I laugh at people who sit here and say that nothing should be sold for over 100k. Obviously people who are not very far in the game because if you want the nice armor from Fissure, with crafting materials and cost, you are going to be over 100k pretty easily. Just because you don't have an item worth that much, or don't have the cash to buy an item worth that much, does not make someone else selling it wrong.

All I can say for the thread creators cause, is that at least you will get your money as soon as yousell that string, so you actually will probably end up better off keeping it than him buying it back for 80k. Just my 2 cents.

Jun 30, 2005, 11:01 PM // 23:01	#22
=HT=Ingram Forge Runner Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Anchorage Alaska Guild: Haz Team [HT] Profession: R/W	generally speaking I have given away almost every item in the game at one time or another. I don't sell stuff unless I need a little bit for something from a NPC and I'm desperate. but our people in our guild give tons away all the time. 98% of the time I can get gold from members and in turn I give gold when they need it. so its rare that I need anything from anyone item or gold wise. I PLAY THE GAME. Heck I gave both a superior Vigor and a Superior Absorption out to a fellow guild member that didn't have it yet, and wanted it for their PvE character just recently. I unlocked both and found both so I had it. and I gave it to him. with no problem at all. Why? cause he is a good guy and helps other guild members as I do all the time. I in fact thought he had already unlocked it and didn't know he didn't. so he and I proceeded to go out and get it for him that day in a matter of a few hours he had the vigor unlocked at least. today we went and won a few guild battles and 2 he won twice in hall of heroes and unlocked the absorption rune. Last edited by =HT=Ingram; Jul 01, 2005 at 11:24 AM // 11:24..

Jul 01, 2005, 01:08 PM // 13:08	#26
smitty-gw Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New York	Look, the bottom line is A-net limits the amount of gold you can carry. A-net does not see this as a problem because A-net does not want items being traded for these amounts of money. They will allow it, but frown upon it. It's player risk. This inflation promotes farming for gold, it promotes botting to farm for gold constantly. Another option to attain this amount of gold is to grind... grind... grind. The other alternative is to e-bay gold for real money. After their experience with the Diablo2 item fiasco, they cannot possibly want nor promote the above-mentioned courses of action to attain gold, can they? Look at their patches. They continually try to make items, runes, etc. easier to attain to eliminate the grind mentality, eliminate the need for bots, e-bay etc. If A-net facilitates the skyrocketing prices for items to continue in its present fashion, then this game is done. It will be no different than the blokes that made those ridiculously unattainable runes in D2, which really could only be attained unfairly. Shame on Blizzard for doing that. This game will be divided into two sub-cultures. The casual gamer who can compete as easily as the hardcore player, as A-net promised, and the elitist mass production guilds who gold farm incessantly by whatever means neccessary, can buy any item they desire, set prices at vendors to exclude non-elite players, etc. If A-net increases the capacity to hold gold, then they will have tipped their hand. They should be careful here. Last edited by smitty-gw; Jul 01, 2005 at 01:10 PM // 13:10..

Jun 30, 2005, 10:21 PM // 22:21	#21
Maxiemonster There is no spoon. Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Netherlands Profession: Mo/	Selling items for more then 100K is just useless, if you really think it's worth more then the 100K, just let him add an item. You'll get screwed anyway... And I think you've just lost the item, he wont get banned or anything, since you can't prove anything But well, 100K is pretty much anyway, so you shouldn't be sad anyway !

Jul 01, 2005, 12:24 PM // 12:24	#23
Beramee Academy Page Join Date: May 2005 Location: Australia Guild: ALCO Profession: R/Mo	WOW!!!!.. ok.. so you guys just wanna abuse people for asking questions.. (not talking to people who answered without slander) I was selling an item based on current price trends, much like dye at the trader, it is based off current trends... so in some peoples opinions here that would make ANET a bunch of ripoffs because the dye traders etc are ripping people off? another point was that trading is optional.. of course it is.. but that makes the game... otherwise it would be a once through game or a pvp only game.. trading is part of GW otherwise it wouldn't have been implemented in the first place. So I guess your answers are.. you a tool for trading items at market value... your a tool for trading, your a tool for asking questions in the questions and answers forum.. basicly people must have no idea that this game is a mmorpg instead of a pvp game. Trade makes the game playable longer. Or you just hate the fact that you can't sell or buy good items, and want everything cheap. Buy a house, a Car, raise Kids.. for 5 gold.. :P Life aint cheap and niether should good items in a game be for a mmorpg, other wise the game would last 1 week before everyone had the best of the best.. and gameplay woould be no more fun.. what would you strive for? Well I will not ask anymore questions here as most of the answers i got had no relation to my question, and this shows the maturity of the posters. BUT thanks to the people that posted legitimate responses.

Jul 01, 2005, 12:40 PM // 12:40	#24
EvilWizard Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2005 Profession: N/R	Don't mind Orderless. He keeps posting the same bitter comments over and over again. The problem here is that items are worth what people pay for them and if people are willing to pay 200K for an item then that is fine. The issue is that the game doesn't allow for that much money to be kept on person as one time obviously and that is something that they should try to fix in the future. Orderless you keep saying you assume risk repeatedly, but you assume risk in anything you do (going outside, going to the movies, going to the bathroom cuz there may be a snake in the toilet....) Just because risk is assumed by action does not mean that you cannot attempt to find retribution. If you don't like these kinds of posts then don't bother reading them. The title is pretty clear in most and your comments are belligerent at best. Be an adult and move on.

Jul 01, 2005, 01:10 PM // 13:10	#27
EvilWizard Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2005 Profession: N/R	I was going to argue with you Dreamsmith because verbal/written agreement was made via the chat and if we're going into contract law then that would be considered the terms, but unfortunately your point is absolutely correct because the screenshots of the chat are submitted by the complainee and therefore could have been altered Does anyone know if chat and/or trade transactions between players are recorded. I know they were for EQ and it made it easier for EQ GMs to get players back their items when trades went bad because they could refer back to their own logs to verify if the complaint was legitimate or not.

Jul 01, 2005, 05:19 PM // 17:19	#28
MAJIC Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Apr 2005 Profession: N/E	I laugh at people who sit here and say that nothing should be sold for over 100k. Obviously people who are not very far in the game because if you want the nice armor from Fissure, with crafting materials and cost, you are going to be over 100k pretty easily. Just because you don't have an item worth that much, or don't have the cash to buy an item worth that much, does not make someone else selling it wrong. All I can say for the thread creators cause, is that at least you will get your money as soon as yousell that string, so you actually will probably end up better off keeping it than him buying it back for 80k. Just my 2 cents.