TopGun · Jun 30, 2005, 02:54 PM // 14:54

Let's say I use my PvP-only Monk to earn 1,000 points, and then I use them to get a staff head. Can the Monk I already created use the staff head? How?

Epinephrine · Jun 30, 2005, 03:37 PM // 15:37

Seems like a "no". Not a big deal, though, as PvP characters can be recreated in the bat of an eye.

TopGun · Jul 02, 2005, 04:26 AM // 04:26

But experience IS lost.

AS A WORK-AROUND...

Create a PvP char with the upgraded staff, store it, and get it with the older character.

Sagius Truthbarron · Jul 02, 2005, 04:43 AM // 04:43

EXP is no longer gained by PvP characters. (There being no point in it to begin with)

Vermilion Okeanos · Jul 02, 2005, 05:31 AM // 05:31

Actually the exp does indeed do something... which is the refund attribute point... but not that it matter to high, as we can just recreate the character... but it would still be that extra 1 minute =P

PS: you can't salvage pvp character items.

Ilya Khan · Jul 02, 2005, 06:42 AM // 06:42

I would hate to seem cruel, but I think this is the wrong forum.

Synncial77 · Jul 03, 2005, 12:18 AM // 00:18

I was really phsyched about this whole "faction point" thing. I rarely play PvP as I never found much of a point to it (there was no real end-reward other than "winning"). Upon first reading about this feature I was like "cool! a way to get these hard to find weapon upgrades and elite skills other than farming or boss hunting". I fought a WHOLE bunch and went to cash in my faction points....and find out that they ONLY apply to PvP only characters.

Seriously, that's a total rip off. Any reason I've had to play PvP has been thrown out the window now. I don't want to get this stuff for a disposable PvP character. I want it for the characters that I actively play. I'm very surprised that they limited this feature in this way.

JoDiamonds · Jul 03, 2005, 12:56 AM // 00:56

I do think it's weird that they don't actually give you the items you "earn". I can't see the harm in it, and I actually suspect that most PvP players are also at least partially PvE players.

Zyo · Jul 03, 2005, 01:24 AM // 01:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by TopGun

But experience IS lost.

AS A WORK-AROUND...

Create a PvP char with the upgraded staff, store it, and get it with the older character.

have you try your work around? If soo I don't think it works.

- Unlock item give you the chance to have it on pvp char when you create it.
- They are customized for a specific character

So you can't trade them with another char, sorry!

Tactical-Dillusions · Jul 03, 2005, 01:56 AM // 01:56

So when you unlock an item using faction points....you actually get the item in your inventory?

I've not yet got 1000 points so i haven't done it yet.

Warlawk · Jul 03, 2005, 02:01 AM // 02:01

no, you DO NOT GET THE ITEM. you ONLY unluck it for creating pvp characters.

Tactical-Dillusions · Jul 03, 2005, 02:04 AM // 02:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warlawk

no, you DO NOT GET THE ITEM. you ONLY unluck it for creating pvp characters.

Thankyou. Not very good for PvE players then i think.

Selling 670 faction points, lol.

JoDiamonds · Jul 03, 2005, 02:20 AM // 02:20

Ha! If you could sell faction points, I wonder how much gold would cost relative to faction points.

There's an infinite amount of both, but probably a lot more gold out there than faction points, even after a few more months.

KvanCetre · Jul 03, 2005, 02:52 AM // 02:52

If you don't PvP, then you don't need the rewards... you can still earn them the old fashioned way.

Nuba · Jul 03, 2005, 08:06 AM // 08:06

what about skills? if i get 3000 faction points and i unlock an elite skill with a PvE char, will i be able to use it? or these skills are only for PvP chars?

rotor · Jul 03, 2005, 02:12 PM // 14:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nuba

what about skills? if i get 3000 faction points and i unlock an elite skill with a PvE char, will i be able to use it? or these skills are only for PvP chars?

Only for PVP chars

JoDiamonds · Jul 03, 2005, 03:52 PM // 15:52

If Arena Net really wants to tie PvP and PvE together (which they apparently do), it makes little sense to not actually give you the item you unlock.

Players who mostly want to play PvP can play a lot of PvE in order to improve their character for PvP. Why can't the reverse be true? Maybe there's one elite I can't find in PvE, or something. So I play a lot of PvP in order to get it. Is there a downside?

dargon · Jul 03, 2005, 06:36 PM // 18:36

How are they tieing PvP and PvE together??? The only thing joining them now with regards to faction is you need a PvE character to go spend the faction. Faction was intended to fix the 'GRIND' that PvP players were complaining about. They couldn't get the special items for PvP without killing many many things. It was never intended to be applied to PvE. So far, i've earned and spent 3000 faction, and I'm very happy with the new system.

JoDiamonds · Jul 04, 2005, 12:22 AM // 00:22

In general, there are obviously many ways PvP and PvE tie in together. That is why I say that Arena Net apparently wants them tied together. Actually giving you the items bought with faction points would strengthen this.

I leave it up to others to debate whether or not this would be good, but there it is.

You can say it was never intended to be applied to PvE, but that's only by examining what has actually happened publicly, unless you have some insider information, in which case you don't need us.

ICURADik · Jul 04, 2005, 12:30 AM // 00:30

One reason that these items, when unlocked should be given to your curent char is the fact that Ranger pets can't be used on PvP chars. Now I have to spend thousands and thousands of gold for that perfect vampiric mod if I want to use it on a pet build.

Jun 30, 2005, 02:54 PM // 14:54	#1
TopGun Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005	Can I use these "Faction Items" on an already created character? Let's say I use my PvP-only Monk to earn 1,000 points, and then I use them to get a staff head. Can the Monk I already created use the staff head? How?

Jun 30, 2005, 03:37 PM // 15:37	#2
Epinephrine Master of Beasts Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Ottawa, Canada Guild: Servants of Fortuna [SoF]	Seems like a "no". Not a big deal, though, as PvP characters can be recreated in the bat of an eye.

Jul 02, 2005, 04:26 AM // 04:26	#3
TopGun Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005	But experience IS lost. AS A WORK-AROUND... Create a PvP char with the upgraded staff, store it, and get it with the older character.

Jul 02, 2005, 04:43 AM // 04:43	#4
Sagius Truthbarron Desert Nomad Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: Animal Factory [ZoO] Profession: A/	EXP is no longer gained by PvP characters. (There being no point in it to begin with)

Jul 02, 2005, 05:31 AM // 05:31	#5
Vermilion Okeanos Forge Runner Join Date: Feb 2005	Actually the exp does indeed do something... which is the refund attribute point... but not that it matter to high, as we can just recreate the character... but it would still be that extra 1 minute =P PS: you can't salvage pvp character items.

Jul 02, 2005, 06:42 AM // 06:42	#6
Ilya Khan Krytan Explorer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Los Angeles, CA Guild: -FdM- Profession: Me/Mo	I would hate to seem cruel, but I think this is the wrong forum.

Jul 03, 2005, 12:18 AM // 00:18	#7
Synncial77 Academy Page Join Date: Apr 2005	I was really phsyched about this whole "faction point" thing. I rarely play PvP as I never found much of a point to it (there was no real end-reward other than "winning"). Upon first reading about this feature I was like "cool! a way to get these hard to find weapon upgrades and elite skills other than farming or boss hunting". I fought a WHOLE bunch and went to cash in my faction points....and find out that they ONLY apply to PvP only characters. Seriously, that's a total rip off. Any reason I've had to play PvP has been thrown out the window now. I don't want to get this stuff for a disposable PvP character. I want it for the characters that I actively play. I'm very surprised that they limited this feature in this way.

Jul 03, 2005, 12:56 AM // 00:56	#8
JoDiamonds Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New England	I do think it's weird that they don't actually give you the items you "earn". I can't see the harm in it, and I actually suspect that most PvP players are also at least partially PvE players.

Jul 03, 2005, 01:56 AM // 01:56	#10
Tactical-Dillusions Desert Nomad Join Date: May 2005 Location: Grimsby, UK Profession: R/	So when you unlock an item using faction points....you actually get the item in your inventory? I've not yet got 1000 points so i haven't done it yet.

Jul 03, 2005, 02:01 AM // 02:01	#11
Warlawk Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jun 2005 Profession: W/Mo	no, you DO NOT GET THE ITEM. you ONLY unluck it for creating pvp characters.

Jul 03, 2005, 02:20 AM // 02:20	#13
JoDiamonds Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New England	Ha! If you could sell faction points, I wonder how much gold would cost relative to faction points. There's an infinite amount of both, but probably a lot more gold out there than faction points, even after a few more months.

Jul 03, 2005, 02:52 AM // 02:52	#14
KvanCetre Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2005 Guild: The Madison Scouts Profession: E/Mo	If you don't PvP, then you don't need the rewards... you can still earn them the old fashioned way.

Jul 03, 2005, 08:06 AM // 08:06	#15
Nuba Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Apr 2005	what about skills? if i get 3000 faction points and i unlock an elite skill with a PvE char, will i be able to use it? or these skills are only for PvP chars?

Jul 03, 2005, 03:52 PM // 15:52	#17
JoDiamonds Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New England	If Arena Net really wants to tie PvP and PvE together (which they apparently do), it makes little sense to not actually give you the item you unlock. Players who mostly want to play PvP can play a lot of PvE in order to improve their character for PvP. Why can't the reverse be true? Maybe there's one elite I can't find in PvE, or something. So I play a lot of PvP in order to get it. Is there a downside?

Jul 03, 2005, 06:36 PM // 18:36	#18
dargon Furnace Stoker Join Date: May 2005 Guild: The Seraphim Knights [TSK] Profession: R/	How are they tieing PvP and PvE together??? The only thing joining them now with regards to faction is you need a PvE character to go spend the faction. Faction was intended to fix the 'GRIND' that PvP players were complaining about. They couldn't get the special items for PvP without killing many many things. It was never intended to be applied to PvE. So far, i've earned and spent 3000 faction, and I'm very happy with the new system.

Jul 04, 2005, 12:22 AM // 00:22	#19
JoDiamonds Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New England	In general, there are obviously many ways PvP and PvE tie in together. That is why I say that Arena Net apparently wants them tied together. Actually giving you the items bought with faction points would strengthen this. I leave it up to others to debate whether or not this would be good, but there it is. You can say it was never intended to be applied to PvE, but that's only by examining what has actually happened publicly, unless you have some insider information, in which case you don't need us.

Jul 04, 2005, 12:30 AM // 00:30	#20
ICURADik Banned Join Date: May 2005	One reason that these items, when unlocked should be given to your curent char is the fact that Ranger pets can't be used on PvP chars. Now I have to spend thousands and thousands of gold for that perfect vampiric mod if I want to use it on a pet build.