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Coldplayer44 · Jul 07, 2005, 12:50 PM // 12:50

Hello I was just wondering what you think about the leveling cap and what they should do with it. So here is a new poll on the leveling cap please vote. I know there has already been a poll about this but that was a while ago. So here is a new one.

Boubou · Jul 07, 2005, 12:53 PM // 12:53

Why post a new one ? There is already one posted (as you were kind enough to mention). It's a useless thread...

and for the poll.. keep it at 20. I don't play much and I love being able to be competitive. I was playing to Knight Online before GW and the only time you can do some PvP were when you are lvl 60 and +... which takes quite a few weeks to achieve.

Magus · Jul 07, 2005, 12:54 PM // 12:54

I'm against raising it for 3 reasons.
1. It unbalances the game. Having more HP makes some professions godly and others worthless.

2. It removes the planning needed to allot attribute points and using runes, destroying a vital portion of the game.

3. It rewards play time instead of strategy.

Aniewiel · Jul 07, 2005, 12:55 PM // 12:55

Not entirely useless but you may wish to cite the other post and reference people to post there. Reminders are always useful, particularly for those who are new to the site. Let's face it, a lot of people (myself included) do not make use of the forum search button.

Aniewiel · Jul 07, 2005, 12:57 PM // 12:57

I would imagine that, at some point, the cap will be raised. It will probably happen when the expansions come out, otherwise what's the incentive for players to -buy- the expansion (not talking about myself here) if they can't attain higher levels? Sure the new weapons, armor, areas, quests, etc. are nice, but a lot of people are going to want more levels. I don't have a problem with that.

Magus · Jul 07, 2005, 01:02 PM // 13:02

I honestly can't imagine raising the level cap. It would require rebalancing almost all of the current skills, which, given how intricate the balance currently is, would be a nightmare on Arenanet's part. The only viable way I can see of raising the level cap is to "space" levels out more, doing nothing but increasing grind alone (e.g. if the level cap is set to 80, each level up gives you 5 health, and you get 1/4 as many attribute points per level up, so in effect, a level 80 character is the same as a level 20 character is now, only that it takes longer to reach,) which I think is pretty pointless.

Boubou · Jul 07, 2005, 01:10 PM // 13:10

That would mean less and less people in PvP, me for starter! As I said, I don't play much, few hours per week I guess.. I wouldn't be able to compete against people spending their entire days in the game. And I don't plan to raise the number of hours I'm playing (my girlfriend would cut my head off

)

Magus · Jul 07, 2005, 01:19 PM // 13:19

I think the main problem is that there are PvE extremists who think of Guild Wars as another MMORPG such as EQ or WoW, minus the monthly fee. Guild Wars is different. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to bash PvE-ers as I myself do enjoy the PvE game, and I can understand why they'd want to have something more to be able to achieve or accomplish, but raising the level cap is not the answer. Realistically, the only 2 ways to raise the level cap are to either rebalance almost all of the skills, the costs/effects of attribute points, and the health cost of runes (which would be nearly impossible on Arenanet's part, besides taking GW offline for many months of testing), or to space the levels out, which would not add "more" accomplishment; it would be the same accomplishment, only it takes longer to attain, which is really the same as GW as it is now, but with more grind.

Hanok Odbrook · Jul 07, 2005, 01:47 PM // 13:47

I really don't see much benefit to raising the level cap. I'm from the old school RPG's when monster hunting for levels and loot was a primary part of the game - ahh those good old 5.25" floppy disk days :} - and while the notion of having no cap whatsoever appeals to me, in the grand scheme of Guild Wars, it's really an unnecessary option. Clearly, one need not be above Level 20 to complete the game and to participate in the PvP arenas, so the only use for the cap being raised is for the hard-core element to show off their amount of time playing the game: "Look at my Level 169 Warrior - I've played 7/24 for two weeks straight!!!!" -- big whooping deal, I actually have a life.

Even if the cap is raised, that won't affect arenas that already place a level limit for participation, and the ones that don't will more than likely have a level limit added just to prevent people from being overwhelmed by more powerful characters. If the devs have any intention of raising the limit, it's also probable that they will create new arenas for the higher level characters to participate in.

Hanok Odbrook
Real Millennium Group Guild
http://www.realmillenniumgroup.com/guild.html
Truth * Knowledge * Peace

Algren Cole · Jul 07, 2005, 01:53 PM // 13:53

I'd personally like to see a third 15 point attribute quest put into the game....but I don't see a reason to raise the level(atleast not until the expansion comes out...if that) Keeping it at lvl 20 keeps the game challengin(somewhat) and balanced(somewhat)...

Myodato · Jul 07, 2005, 01:54 PM // 13:54

I assumed that at some point in the future that the level cap would be raised, but now I hope it isn't. this game is amazingly balanced atm, and I'd hate to see that changed just to satisfy those strange people who enjoy grinding.

Afterall, 20 is just a number.

Jaythen Tyradel · Jul 07, 2005, 02:00 PM // 14:00

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Originally Posted by Myodato

Afterall, 20 is just a number.

Agreed. Lvl 20 in GW is the equivelent of lvl 100 in other games. IT just doesnt seem as high as a number, so people are more likely to think that 20 isnt powerful enough.

And I gree with Algren, more attribute point quests would be nice.

hassoon · Jul 07, 2005, 02:05 PM // 14:05

If things can be balanced at 20 they can be balanced at 50 or 100,Its only the PvP extremists who want to freeze it at 20.If Anet were to continue catering to the minority instead of the majority their expansion sales IE bottem line will go out the window.Yes i play PvP in fact i play it more than PvE,and have never bought the phoney lvl cap theory.

Algren Cole · Jul 07, 2005, 02:09 PM // 14:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by hassoon

If things can be balanced at 20 they can be balanced at 50 or 100,Its only the PvP extremists who want to freeze it at 20.If Anet were to continue catering to the minority instead of the majority their expansion sales IE bottem line will go out the window.Yes i play PvP in fact i play it more than PvE,and have never bought the phoney lvl cap theory.

I don't play PvP...infact I think the PvP in this game is absolute trash(no offense to anyone that enjoys it...we all have our likes and dislikes)...and I haven't had a problem with the level cap since I started to understand it. This game isn't like most MMORPGs(yes I refuse to call it a CORPG simply because A.Net wants me to)....level 20 is all you need to be able to complete the game...why is there a reason for higher levels...so you can show off how much time you've wasted leveling up uselessly???

Loviatar · Jul 07, 2005, 02:11 PM // 14:11

the official word

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Our maximum level is twenty and you hit that very quickly, after about 20-30 hours of play. We call that 'The Point of Ascension'. Almost all of the content in the game and in the future Chapters is only available to Ascended characters, which means we don't have to worry about providing different levels of content. All the good stuff will be available to everyone.

AND

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However, if you choose not to purchase a chapter, you will still be able to play the chapters of Guild Wars that you own, and you will have common areas in which you will be able to play with and against your friends who have purchased the other chapter(s).

note thay you couldnt play with friends if you were a higher level.

as the first note said the content is for EVERYBODY not just the higher level elite

fezz47 · Jul 07, 2005, 02:11 PM // 14:11

You know, I'm not sure if I'm in favor of a higher level cap, but it would be nice to have more PvE content. This is a very cool game for someone like myself who's not really into PvP, but can still get the social aspect of an online game. I'm only at level 9 right now, so I still have a lot of gameplay left for PvE. And I'm certainly sure I'll get my money's worth so I'm not complaining, but if they add more PvE contet it would be almost like a dream come true for someone like myself.

Schorny · Jul 07, 2005, 02:12 PM // 14:12

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Originally Posted by hassoon

If things can be balanced at 20 they can be balanced at 50 or 100

Of course, noone doubts that.

But it takes time to get to lvl 100.
Many people don't have enough time to spend 300 hours just to be able to play PvP with their PvE char.

What's wrong with lvl20?
What would it change if we renamed it to lvl100 but you don't need 20,000 xp for a lvl but only 5,000xp and you will get not 15 attribute points by lvl up but only 5.

You will end up after the same time with the same 200 attributes and be lvl 100 rather than lvl20. What is the difference?

If there were more attribute points, there were less strategy involved, because you can easily max out 3-4 attributes or even more.

IceD'Bear · Jul 07, 2005, 02:37 PM // 14:37

If leveling is the whole point of playing, then go play Progress Quest. GW is not about leveling, it's about having fun.

Loviatar · Jul 07, 2005, 02:42 PM // 14:42

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Originally Posted by IceD'Bear

GW is not about leveling, it's about having fun.

*sweat breaks out on forehead as novel idea strikes*

playing for fun?

this will take some time getting used to

Algren Cole · Jul 07, 2005, 02:53 PM // 14:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by IceD'Bear

If leveling is the whole point of playing, then go play Progress Quest. GW is not about leveling, it's about having fun.

that looks like the worst game in the history of video games.

View Poll Results: What should they do with the leveling cap?
Keep it at 20	50	75.76%
Raise it between 30-40	5	7.58%
Raise it between 40-50	2	3.03%
Raise it between 50-60	0	0%
Raise it between 60-70	1	1.52%
Or have it All the way to 100	8	12.12%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 66. You may not vote on this poll

Jul 07, 2005, 12:50 PM // 12:50	#1
Coldplayer44 Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2005 Location: Amarillo, Texas Guild: Warriors Oath Profession: W/E	A new poll Hello I was just wondering what you think about the leveling cap and what they should do with it. So here is a new poll on the leveling cap please vote. I know there has already been a poll about this but that was a while ago. So here is a new one.

Jul 07, 2005, 12:53 PM // 12:53	#2
Boubou Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Quebec, Canada Guild: L'ordre [LO] Profession: Mo/W	Why post a new one ? There is already one posted (as you were kind enough to mention). It's a useless thread... and for the poll.. keep it at 20. I don't play much and I love being able to be competitive. I was playing to Knight Online before GW and the only time you can do some PvP were when you are lvl 60 and +... which takes quite a few weeks to achieve.

Jul 07, 2005, 12:54 PM // 12:54	#3
Magus Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Apr 2005	I'm against raising it for 3 reasons. 1. It unbalances the game. Having more HP makes some professions godly and others worthless. 2. It removes the planning needed to allot attribute points and using runes, destroying a vital portion of the game. 3. It rewards play time instead of strategy.

Jul 07, 2005, 12:55 PM // 12:55	#4
Aniewiel Smite Mistress Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: The Land of AZ, USA Profession: Rt/E	Not entirely useless but you may wish to cite the other post and reference people to post there. Reminders are always useful, particularly for those who are new to the site. Let's face it, a lot of people (myself included) do not make use of the forum search button.

Jul 07, 2005, 12:57 PM // 12:57	#5
Aniewiel Smite Mistress Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: The Land of AZ, USA Profession: Rt/E	I would imagine that, at some point, the cap will be raised. It will probably happen when the expansions come out, otherwise what's the incentive for players to -buy- the expansion (not talking about myself here) if they can't attain higher levels? Sure the new weapons, armor, areas, quests, etc. are nice, but a lot of people are going to want more levels. I don't have a problem with that.

Jul 07, 2005, 01:02 PM // 13:02	#6
Magus Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Apr 2005	I honestly can't imagine raising the level cap. It would require rebalancing almost all of the current skills, which, given how intricate the balance currently is, would be a nightmare on Arenanet's part. The only viable way I can see of raising the level cap is to "space" levels out more, doing nothing but increasing grind alone (e.g. if the level cap is set to 80, each level up gives you 5 health, and you get 1/4 as many attribute points per level up, so in effect, a level 80 character is the same as a level 20 character is now, only that it takes longer to reach,) which I think is pretty pointless.

Jul 07, 2005, 01:10 PM // 13:10	#7
Boubou Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Quebec, Canada Guild: L'ordre [LO] Profession: Mo/W	That would mean less and less people in PvP, me for starter! As I said, I don't play much, few hours per week I guess.. I wouldn't be able to compete against people spending their entire days in the game. And I don't plan to raise the number of hours I'm playing (my girlfriend would cut my head off )

Jul 07, 2005, 01:19 PM // 13:19	#8
Magus Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Apr 2005	I think the main problem is that there are PvE extremists who think of Guild Wars as another MMORPG such as EQ or WoW, minus the monthly fee. Guild Wars is different. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to bash PvE-ers as I myself do enjoy the PvE game, and I can understand why they'd want to have something more to be able to achieve or accomplish, but raising the level cap is not the answer. Realistically, the only 2 ways to raise the level cap are to either rebalance almost all of the skills, the costs/effects of attribute points, and the health cost of runes (which would be nearly impossible on Arenanet's part, besides taking GW offline for many months of testing), or to space the levels out, which would not add "more" accomplishment; it would be the same accomplishment, only it takes longer to attain, which is really the same as GW as it is now, but with more grind.

Jul 07, 2005, 01:47 PM // 13:47	#9
Hanok Odbrook Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2005 Location: Tyria Guild: Real Millennium Group Profession: Mo/N	I really don't see much benefit to raising the level cap. I'm from the old school RPG's when monster hunting for levels and loot was a primary part of the game - ahh those good old 5.25" floppy disk days :} - and while the notion of having no cap whatsoever appeals to me, in the grand scheme of Guild Wars, it's really an unnecessary option. Clearly, one need not be above Level 20 to complete the game and to participate in the PvP arenas, so the only use for the cap being raised is for the hard-core element to show off their amount of time playing the game: "Look at my Level 169 Warrior - I've played 7/24 for two weeks straight!!!!" -- big whooping deal, I actually have a life. Even if the cap is raised, that won't affect arenas that already place a level limit for participation, and the ones that don't will more than likely have a level limit added just to prevent people from being overwhelmed by more powerful characters. If the devs have any intention of raising the limit, it's also probable that they will create new arenas for the higher level characters to participate in. Hanok Odbrook Real Millennium Group Guild http://www.realmillenniumgroup.com/guild.html Truth * Knowledge * Peace

Jul 07, 2005, 01:53 PM // 13:53	#10
Algren Cole Banned Join Date: Jun 2005	I'd personally like to see a third 15 point attribute quest put into the game....but I don't see a reason to raise the level(atleast not until the expansion comes out...if that) Keeping it at lvl 20 keeps the game challengin(somewhat) and balanced(somewhat)...

Jul 07, 2005, 01:54 PM // 13:54	#11
Myodato Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: May 2005 Guild: WOR Profession: Mo/	I assumed that at some point in the future that the level cap would be raised, but now I hope it isn't. this game is amazingly balanced atm, and I'd hate to see that changed just to satisfy those strange people who enjoy grinding. Afterall, 20 is just a number.

Jul 07, 2005, 02:05 PM // 14:05	#13
hassoon Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2005	If things can be balanced at 20 they can be balanced at 50 or 100,Its only the PvP extremists who want to freeze it at 20.If Anet were to continue catering to the minority instead of the majority their expansion sales IE bottem line will go out the window.Yes i play PvP in fact i play it more than PvE,and have never bought the phoney lvl cap theory.

Jul 07, 2005, 02:11 PM // 14:11	#16
fezz47 Academy Page Join Date: Jun 2005	You know, I'm not sure if I'm in favor of a higher level cap, but it would be nice to have more PvE content. This is a very cool game for someone like myself who's not really into PvP, but can still get the social aspect of an online game. I'm only at level 9 right now, so I still have a lot of gameplay left for PvE. And I'm certainly sure I'll get my money's worth so I'm not complaining, but if they add more PvE contet it would be almost like a dream come true for someone like myself.

Jul 07, 2005, 02:37 PM // 14:37	#18
IceD'Bear Krytan Explorer Join Date: Feb 2005 Guild: Awoken Myth [MYTH] Profession: Mo/	If leveling is the whole point of playing, then go play Progress Quest. GW is not about leveling, it's about having fun.