Attention: The Tombs are not the Comp. Arena - Guild Wars Forums

Chev of Hardass · Jul 22, 2005, 12:08 AM // 00:08

Today, I spent about an hour and a half in the Tombs. I was not group leader, but the group leader was very polite and respectful. Announcing that he was building a team and responding to wisper.

For what ever reason, every time we had a group of 8 and started talking stragedy, someone would leave. Then another, then another. This went on for several attempts. In my hour and a half I only got to make one attempt at the HoH due to these morons (who wisper that they were interested in an organized group).

There was a time when, if you hit enter mission before checking to see that everyone was ready, someone would leave. Now if you have 8 in your team and don't hit enter mission, someone leaves.

This is bad. I have played in some of these groups that just click and go, they all suck. Some do not even get past the entrance. I have played in groups that were well prepared and had a lined out stragedy that sucked, but more than likely, they will make a good showing,

Has anyone else seen this?

Why would someone intentionally give a team some fame just so that they can play now?

Is this just a problem during the day?

I may have to stay away from that place till some of the morons get tired of loosing I guess.

Minwanabi · Jul 22, 2005, 02:20 AM // 02:20

Bad luck? =/ I make it a point to never PUG in tombs, either get a guild, or, as you go in, add friends to your list, tell them to add you, that you're always interested in good tombs, and if you impressed them enough, they will, eventually, you'll be able to just send a few tells, see if any groups are forming, bring your reliable friends, etc. Build a network.

Elite · Jul 22, 2005, 02:23 AM // 02:23

:/ Yes, I joined a tombs group with 2 monks and the 2 monks end up being the first to leave.

Arcanis Imperium · Jul 22, 2005, 04:09 AM // 04:09

There's alot of times this happens. That jerkoffs who think they should be in control dont stay with a group if they arent the one calling the shots. I've also run into a Monk who intentionally did a bad job healing, just to piss off people. Then when we failed the mission laughed at us about it.

There are alot of jackasses in this game. And they arent going away very fast. My advice is to make as many friends as you can outside of missions and PVP. Things that arent really important. Because when you have friends that you can count on, you wont be stuck with the morons of Tyria.

Lasareth · Jul 22, 2005, 05:27 AM // 05:27

Monks tend to have less "patience" because they know they're hot commodities.

Oh, we're 6/8 and those other people are 7/8? Later, guys!

This has happened -almost exclusively- with monks for me.

MCS · Jul 22, 2005, 05:35 AM // 05:35

Noob filter.

If I'm trying to get someone and they leave because they can't wait 10 minutes, I don't want them.

oh uh btw, Prav sucks. gg

=HT=Ingram · Jul 22, 2005, 05:56 AM // 05:56

yep... that's why I don't play there anymore unless its with my guild mates. sorry mate. comes with the territory of a MMO... Many Morons Online...

Incidentally it is also the reason the hall is SO easy to win anymore....

Nightsorrow · Jul 22, 2005, 10:13 AM // 10:13

Hmmm, this is where my problem lies. My only choice is to PUG in tombs, because I don't have an active guild (my guild was intended to be between friends, then many of those friends quit / are just idle) and haven't built a good network of friends yet due to my frustrations with PUG's in missions, I generally just did them with henchmen instead.

generik · Jul 22, 2005, 10:48 AM // 10:48

Why not shelf the game and play something else better? It is not like there is a shortage of better titles more worthy of your time.

Your experience today is part of the Guild Wars experience, deal with it. That's the way things are.

BrokenSymmetry · Jul 22, 2005, 11:13 AM // 11:13

Trying to see this from the other side: There are people who just want to play the game, and don't have the time (or want to spend the time), to stand around waiting and/or discussing strategy. This does not necessarily make the "morons".

I think that a solution for this would be to make it much easier to let other people know what skills and attributes you have equipped, so that this doesn't need to be communicated through chat (which is extremely time-consuming and error-prone). For example, if you could see in a single screen the skill bars of all party members together, this would already allow for some quick strategy building within a few minutes. This would also allow some basic strategy in random arenas, if you just had a few seconds to find out what skills your party members have.

Gardavil · Jul 22, 2005, 11:35 AM // 11:35

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Originally Posted by BrokenSymmetry

Trying to see this from the other side: There are people who just want to play the game, and don't have the time (or want to spend the time), to stand around waiting and/or discussing strategy. This does not necessarily make the "morons".

I think that a solution for this would be to make it much easier to let other people know what skills and attributes you have equipped, so that this doesn't need to be communicated through chat (which is extremely time-consuming and error-prone). For example, if you could see in a single screen the skill bars of all party members together, this would already allow for some quick strategy building within a few minutes. This would also allow some basic strategy in random arenas, if you just had a few seconds to find out what skills your party members have.

Great idea BrokenSymmetry

This might help with another problem players have had.....the problem of highly experienced groups getting one or more noobs like me into the group without knowing it, then when it gets serious, then they find out....the hard way. If the Devs would include the UI to see exactly what attributes and skills, plus levels, that a player brings to a group upon joining, the group leader(s) could make needed decisions on strategy much quicker. Some might complain that it's too much information to share with others, so make it an option that each player choose whether to let the group see his/her attributes/skills or not (in the options panel so that you could not change it every two seconds). Also some may say this will discriminate against characters with some builds that are unpopular, but I'm betting that all would balance out.....just because one group wouldn't want a ranger with a unique build, doesn't mean that the next group isn't looking for a ranger with just that build for their team. just an idea built upon BrokenSymmetry's idea....tear it apart ladies and gents.

Azreal911 · Jul 22, 2005, 12:21 PM // 12:21

This is more the reason to introduce the join random team button in the tombs. Some people want to build a group with strategy and some just want to get a game in as quick as possible cause their time is short. I also like quick games in tombs when i have some time just for fun. And for the people that want to make a good group the option is there to join up with like minded others. An 8 player team arena is always more interesting than a 4 vs 4 areanas.

Chev of Hardass · Jul 22, 2005, 03:06 PM // 15:06

Ahh, screw the tombs, I joined a guild that actually GvGs last night and spent the night GvGing. We'll, come to the tombs as a team when we get bored and place those "I need to play now" children in a world of hurt.

Some of the responses are really disheartening. I guess, that's just less "real" competition.

To the rest, well GWG said that there would be a lack of brainpower around here for a while after release. I guess that same lack of brainpower has filtered into the Tombs. Was that too blunt?

Calimar · Jul 22, 2005, 03:18 PM // 15:18

Well if you want a "fast game", tomb's not your place. Or, MY group in tombs is not.

Chev, best advice is call people you know, fill the spots with people you pick up, and from those pick the good ones. Still, getting into tombs without an organized group is a sure loss.

sidepocket13 · Jul 22, 2005, 03:27 PM // 15:27

it looks like many people have had this problem with the monks. so i decided to start a new monk char and go through the game. looks like a LOT of people had the same idea as me because most of the lowe level cities are FULL of monks. give it a few days/weeks and we should all be up there to help out!

Azreal911 · Jul 22, 2005, 07:53 PM // 19:53

those people that a making monks now may or may not make it to the end of the game. probably after the first quarter of the mission they'll be quitting the monk cause of:
- bad pug's and the crazy healing they have to do in them.
- getting grief from idiots that run off to die and blame it all on the monk
- entire groups thinking you are the saviour and blame you for mission failures.
- having to stare at red bars every mission.
- not dealing any damage at all cause they are mostly busy with healing now, if they want to do damage in high level missions monk is not the class to be unless you are in a all monk team and needed smiters.

that's what i'm thinking that would happen.
you really have to like to be a monk to be really good in it. if you are just doing it cause it's easy to get into a group, you might not like the game too much after awhile. I love it cause i find it a challenge in keeping my group alive. moreso if there's a leeroy in the group, usually i let them die if they run off hehehahaha.

sidepocket13 · Jul 22, 2005, 10:23 PM // 22:23

i agree with you, this is my first mmorpg (if you can call it that) and i went through it with a r/e first time through. HATING the hench monks i decided most people must hate them too. and i would start my own. so far i am loving it!

Azreal911 · Jul 23, 2005, 04:26 AM // 04:26

It's good that you are loving it. they can use another monk. But not alot of people can play a monk well though. I've seen it happen where they just sit there and the others die. might be a bad connection. might be no real experience in the class. or might be some kid who just wants to hit things with his/her wand. If you make it to end game mostly with pug's then you are really good and should stay as a monk. They can always use another! it's still a huge shortage in the high level area's and tombs. Everyone wants to do damage and kill things. oh well that's the way it's always been with many mmorpgs out there. A friend who plays WoW told me the mission areas are always screaming "looking for healer!" lol!

=HT=Ingram · Jul 23, 2005, 09:03 AM // 09:03

OK morons was a bit harsh... It just fit the acronym. lol

sidepocket13 · Jul 23, 2005, 02:24 PM // 14:24

my only complaint is i get no xp unless i agro once at each monster being killed. i dont know if i dont see the xp because i am concentrating on the player bar or what...... maybe it does pop up there and i dont see it........

Jul 22, 2005, 12:08 AM // 00:08	#1
Chev of Hardass Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Under a rock Guild: zP Profession: Me/	Attention: The Tombs are not the Comp. Arena Today, I spent about an hour and a half in the Tombs. I was not group leader, but the group leader was very polite and respectful. Announcing that he was building a team and responding to wisper. For what ever reason, every time we had a group of 8 and started talking stragedy, someone would leave. Then another, then another. This went on for several attempts. In my hour and a half I only got to make one attempt at the HoH due to these morons (who wisper that they were interested in an organized group). There was a time when, if you hit enter mission before checking to see that everyone was ready, someone would leave. Now if you have 8 in your team and don't hit enter mission, someone leaves. This is bad. I have played in some of these groups that just click and go, they all suck. Some do not even get past the entrance. I have played in groups that were well prepared and had a lined out stragedy that sucked, but more than likely, they will make a good showing, Has anyone else seen this? Why would someone intentionally give a team some fame just so that they can play now? Is this just a problem during the day? I may have to stay away from that place till some of the morons get tired of loosing I guess.

Jul 22, 2005, 11:13 AM // 11:13	#10
BrokenSymmetry Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005	Trying to see this from the other side: There are people who just want to play the game, and don't have the time (or want to spend the time), to stand around waiting and/or discussing strategy. This does not necessarily make the "morons". I think that a solution for this would be to make it much easier to let other people know what skills and attributes you have equipped, so that this doesn't need to be communicated through chat (which is extremely time-consuming and error-prone). For example, if you could see in a single screen the skill bars of all party members together, this would already allow for some quick strategy building within a few minutes. This would also allow some basic strategy in random arenas, if you just had a few seconds to find out what skills your party members have. Last edited by BrokenSymmetry; Jul 22, 2005 at 11:16 AM // 11:16..

Jul 22, 2005, 07:53 PM // 19:53	#16
Azreal911 Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Thornhill, ON, CAN	those people that a making monks now may or may not make it to the end of the game. probably after the first quarter of the mission they'll be quitting the monk cause of: - bad pug's and the crazy healing they have to do in them. - getting grief from idiots that run off to die and blame it all on the monk - entire groups thinking you are the saviour and blame you for mission failures. - having to stare at red bars every mission. - not dealing any damage at all cause they are mostly busy with healing now, if they want to do damage in high level missions monk is not the class to be unless you are in a all monk team and needed smiters. that's what i'm thinking that would happen. you really have to like to be a monk to be really good in it. if you are just doing it cause it's easy to get into a group, you might not like the game too much after awhile. I love it cause i find it a challenge in keeping my group alive. moreso if there's a leeroy in the group, usually i let them die if they run off hehehahaha. Last edited by Azreal911; Jul 22, 2005 at 07:56 PM // 19:56..

Jul 22, 2005, 02:20 AM // 02:20	#2
Minwanabi Krytan Explorer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Michigan	Bad luck? =/ I make it a point to never PUG in tombs, either get a guild, or, as you go in, add friends to your list, tell them to add you, that you're always interested in good tombs, and if you impressed them enough, they will, eventually, you'll be able to just send a few tells, see if any groups are forming, bring your reliable friends, etc. Build a network.

Jul 22, 2005, 02:23 AM // 02:23	#3
Elite Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2005	:/ Yes, I joined a tombs group with 2 monks and the 2 monks end up being the first to leave.

Jul 22, 2005, 04:09 AM // 04:09	#4
Arcanis Imperium Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Guild: nova Profession: Me/E	There's alot of times this happens. That jerkoffs who think they should be in control dont stay with a group if they arent the one calling the shots. I've also run into a Monk who intentionally did a bad job healing, just to piss off people. Then when we failed the mission laughed at us about it. There are alot of jackasses in this game. And they arent going away very fast. My advice is to make as many friends as you can outside of missions and PVP. Things that arent really important. Because when you have friends that you can count on, you wont be stuck with the morons of Tyria.

Jul 22, 2005, 05:27 AM // 05:27	#5
Lasareth Aquarius Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Somewhere between Boardwalk and Park Place	Monks tend to have less "patience" because they know they're hot commodities. Oh, we're 6/8 and those other people are 7/8? Later, guys! This has happened -almost exclusively- with monks for me.

Jul 22, 2005, 05:35 AM // 05:35	#6
MCS Banned Join Date: May 2005	Noob filter. If I'm trying to get someone and they leave because they can't wait 10 minutes, I don't want them. oh uh btw, Prav sucks. gg

Jul 22, 2005, 05:56 AM // 05:56	#7
=HT=Ingram Forge Runner Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Anchorage Alaska Guild: Haz Team [HT] Profession: R/W	yep... that's why I don't play there anymore unless its with my guild mates. sorry mate. comes with the territory of a MMO... Many Morons Online... Incidentally it is also the reason the hall is SO easy to win anymore....

Jul 22, 2005, 10:13 AM // 10:13	#8
Nightsorrow Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: Servants of Fortuna Profession: N/	Hmmm, this is where my problem lies. My only choice is to PUG in tombs, because I don't have an active guild (my guild was intended to be between friends, then many of those friends quit / are just idle) and haven't built a good network of friends yet due to my frustrations with PUG's in missions, I generally just did them with henchmen instead.

Jul 22, 2005, 10:48 AM // 10:48	#9
generik Desert Nomad Join Date: Jun 2005	Why not shelf the game and play something else better? It is not like there is a shortage of better titles more worthy of your time. Your experience today is part of the Guild Wars experience, deal with it. That's the way things are.

Jul 22, 2005, 12:21 PM // 12:21	#12
Azreal911 Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Thornhill, ON, CAN	This is more the reason to introduce the join random team button in the tombs. Some people want to build a group with strategy and some just want to get a game in as quick as possible cause their time is short. I also like quick games in tombs when i have some time just for fun. And for the people that want to make a good group the option is there to join up with like minded others. An 8 player team arena is always more interesting than a 4 vs 4 areanas.

Jul 22, 2005, 03:06 PM // 15:06	#13
Chev of Hardass Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Under a rock Guild: zP Profession: Me/	Ahh, screw the tombs, I joined a guild that actually GvGs last night and spent the night GvGing. We'll, come to the tombs as a team when we get bored and place those "I need to play now" children in a world of hurt. Some of the responses are really disheartening. I guess, that's just less "real" competition. To the rest, well GWG said that there would be a lack of brainpower around here for a while after release. I guess that same lack of brainpower has filtered into the Tombs. Was that too blunt?

Jul 22, 2005, 03:18 PM // 15:18	#14
Calimar Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: Silver Limon Profession: E/Me	Well if you want a "fast game", tomb's not your place. Or, MY group in tombs is not. Chev, best advice is call people you know, fill the spots with people you pick up, and from those pick the good ones. Still, getting into tombs without an organized group is a sure loss.

Jul 22, 2005, 03:27 PM // 15:27	#15
sidepocket13 Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: New England Guild: Metallica Roadies Profession: Mo/Me	it looks like many people have had this problem with the monks. so i decided to start a new monk char and go through the game. looks like a LOT of people had the same idea as me because most of the lowe level cities are FULL of monks. give it a few days/weeks and we should all be up there to help out!

Jul 22, 2005, 10:23 PM // 22:23	#17
sidepocket13 Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: New England Guild: Metallica Roadies Profession: Mo/Me	i agree with you, this is my first mmorpg (if you can call it that) and i went through it with a r/e first time through. HATING the hench monks i decided most people must hate them too. and i would start my own. so far i am loving it!

Jul 23, 2005, 04:26 AM // 04:26	#18
Azreal911 Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Thornhill, ON, CAN	It's good that you are loving it. they can use another monk. But not alot of people can play a monk well though. I've seen it happen where they just sit there and the others die. might be a bad connection. might be no real experience in the class. or might be some kid who just wants to hit things with his/her wand. If you make it to end game mostly with pug's then you are really good and should stay as a monk. They can always use another! it's still a huge shortage in the high level area's and tombs. Everyone wants to do damage and kill things. oh well that's the way it's always been with many mmorpgs out there. A friend who plays WoW told me the mission areas are always screaming "looking for healer!" lol!

Jul 23, 2005, 09:03 AM // 09:03	#19
=HT=Ingram Forge Runner Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Anchorage Alaska Guild: Haz Team [HT] Profession: R/W	OK morons was a bit harsh... It just fit the acronym. lol

Jul 23, 2005, 02:24 PM // 14:24	#20
sidepocket13 Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: New England Guild: Metallica Roadies Profession: Mo/Me	my only complaint is i get no xp unless i agro once at each monster being killed. i dont know if i dont see the xp because i am concentrating on the player bar or what...... maybe it does pop up there and i dont see it........