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Andy of Glacieria · Jul 15, 2005, 12:54 PM // 12:54

I dant read many of the upper posts cause sum are just rants... I say waht they did was right. I think this was meant to stop the lvl 16s goin about there and smacking taht they own UW. Ascension was the intended way to gain lvl 20 and access to the Forge, NOT running through Lornar's Pass.

Ollj · Jul 15, 2005, 12:59 PM // 12:59

No ToA without ascension is pointless but good.

Its pointless because you can still lack in 30 atribute points and enter the zones there.
Its pointless because i was in a good team many times that even invites lowlevel chars, as long as they listen to the chat and they are level 20 really quick getting 5-15 atribute points.
Its pointless because every idiot can get ascended by 5 other good players.

Is good because it stops fast leveling of super-low level chars by some teammates, but why is that bad unless its sold by ebay, and thats the bad thing there, not the fast leveling of lowlevels.
Its good because you have to prove working teamwork before going down there.

statement:
i love level 10 players in the deserts and on fire islands but i hate them in the southetrn shiverpeaks, guess the difference.

Torkemada · Jul 15, 2005, 01:15 PM // 13:15

In my opinion, the requirements they implemented for accesing to UW or FoW, are not meant to keep "stupid" ppl out of it, as i read in some posts. Cos being lvl 20, or lvl 100 doesnt have a thing to do with the person sitting behind the keyboard.
I think this action is more oriented to encourage u to play the storyline, and also to send a message to all those ppl, that get runned to all towns at low levels. It doesnt matter if u have been taken to droknars and u have the best armor, if u have the best gold equip. If u wanna get into the "bonus" zones, u are gonna have to beat the desert.

I think this is a good road, still needs more work, but its a start.

EverBlue · Jul 15, 2005, 01:33 PM // 13:33

Ah. Well glad to hear it's not locked out to players who haven't been Ascended. There's a quest in it which sort of screws things up.. Where you have to get those scriptures of the Unseen. Well if you've been to the desert, the good Vizier has already told you that the mainland is no longer safe for you, and obviously the Mursaat would be on the hunt. So getting those scriptures...

Maxiemonster · Jul 15, 2005, 02:14 PM // 14:14

So, you can't even enter the Temple of Ages when you didn't ascend, or is it just that you can't enter Underworld or Fissure of Woe when you didn't ascend. Since my lvl 10 Warrior that didn't ascend (still in the Crystal Desserts) could enter Temple of Ages..

EverBlue · Jul 15, 2005, 02:18 PM // 14:18

From what I gather, non-ascended characters can't enter FoW or UW. They can still enter ToA.

Algren Cole · Jul 15, 2005, 02:20 PM // 14:20

I don't want anyone that hasn't ascended (and can prove it by BEING ascended on their character) on my UW FoW team....even if you could get into the UW/FoW without ascending...do you really think anyone would take you?

Calimar · Jul 15, 2005, 02:27 PM // 14:27

How do you tell if one has ascended or not?!
and even then... I could have a lv 20 not-ascended monk and another ascended character... who cares about ascension? it's the player's skill that counts.
My opinion.

Gedscho · Jul 15, 2005, 02:29 PM // 14:29

true. i can think of at least 4 non ascended chars that would be a great addition to our team.
i dont see why there are so many changes to make the new guys happy and the old guys sad.
the new guys already paid for their account! let them learn or leave

damnit... james brown comes to mind:

you gotta hit me hit me hit me
hit me with your nerfing stick

Algren Cole · Jul 15, 2005, 02:29 PM // 14:29

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Originally Posted by Calimar

How do you tell if one has ascended or not?!
and even then... I could have a lv 20 not-ascended monk and another ascended character... who cares about ascension? it's the player's skill that counts.
My opinion.

you can tell by the fact that they can get into UW/FoW.....I don't care what you did on your last character...the only true test of skill in this game comes after the desert....and even then a monkey could complete those missions. UW/FoW is HARD and ONE bad player CAN and WILL ruin a group....there has to be some set of standards for entrance. Most of the people that play this game think they are good at it.....and they're not.

EverBlue · Jul 15, 2005, 02:30 PM // 14:30

Well, if they don't enter FoW/UW, you know they're not ascended..

Warrior 1: "Alright, guys. Everyone here?"
Warrior 3: "Yep, believe so."
Warrior 2: "Wait, where's our second monk?"
Elementalist 1: "He left! That bastard!"
Warrior 2: "Hold on, I just got a PM from him. It wouldn't let him in."
Monk 1: "That son of a b*tch hasn't Ascended!"
Prince Rurik: "Let us dive into a pool of Charr!"

Gedscho · Jul 15, 2005, 02:32 PM // 14:32

narrowminded, algren.

what if my guild wants to take challenges WE pick ourselves?

like going uw with some lvl 11 chars?

if we want to, why shouldnt we be allowed?
because others are too stupid to plan their teams properly?
and are leaving the game because of those griefers (aatxes)?

damnit force em to be smart, not ascended!

Algren Cole · Jul 15, 2005, 02:34 PM // 14:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gedscho

narrowminded.

what if my guild wants to take challenges WE pick ourselves?

like going uw with some lvl 11 chars?

if we want to, why shouldnt we be allowed?
because others are too stupid to plan their teams properly?

damnit force em to be smart, not ascended!

why does everyone have a problem with playing a game the way it was designed??? I simply don't get it. UW and FoW are for AFTER you complete the game...something to keep you occupied...something to waste time one. I can't believe the number of people that think this game takes too long to finish. I'm sorry you can't go UW/FoW....get your guild to rush you through ascension. At LvL11 you have very little chance of being of any help in the UW/FoW anyway.

Gedscho · Jul 15, 2005, 02:37 PM // 14:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Algren Cole

why does everyone have a problem with playing a game the way it was designed??? I simply don't get it. UW and FoW are for AFTER you complete the game...something to keep you occupied...something to waste time one. I can't believe the number of people that think this game takes too long to finish. I'm sorry you can't go UW/FoW....get your guild to rush you through ascension. At LvL11 you have very little chance of being of any help in the UW/FoW anyway.

could someone of the members of the community that are better known and respected than i am, please tell him, that he is bs'ing?

damnit you can tank the aatxes with a LEVEL ONE WARRIOR MY FRIEND.
and if you dont know how, play a monk.(only class i know something about)

If you dont know how to perform a "cornerblock" dont waste my time.
If you take 3 warriors down there, dont waste my time.

OH AND FINALLY: i sometimes have a problem playing a game "the way it was meant to be played"
i want to be creative and to have fun.
AND I DONT FOOKING HURT ANYBODY if i take MY guildies at lvl 11 down there.
i know, they could help, so i would take them. i wouldnt take any strangers for this fun.

Algren Cole · Jul 15, 2005, 02:39 PM // 14:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gedscho

could someone of the more respected and members of the community please tell him, that he is bs'ing?

damnit you can tank the aatxes with a LEVEL ONE WARRIOR MY FRIEND.
and if you dont know how, play a monk.(only class i know something about)

If you dont know how to perform a "cornerblock" dont waste my time.
If you take 3 warriors down there, dont waste my time.

I don't take anything but rangers down there...

and no. a lvl 1 can't tank down there without bleeding the monk dry of energy.

don't make cheapshot personal attacks simply because I believe you should play the game....it makes you look like a child

Gedscho · Jul 15, 2005, 02:40 PM // 14:40

damnit think about it again. lol
IT IS possible. if there wasnt this patch, we could have made a bet.

10p, i can let 2 level one w's tank the aatxes. (one works too, but two to shwo you, im fine with energy.)
10p, you cannot do it until you learn some monk skills.

oh yea, trapper run is fun, but not very creative, in my opinion.

EverBlue · Jul 15, 2005, 02:42 PM // 14:42

Actually. It makes sense. Why would the Gods pay special attention to some fool just coming up in the world? After you've Ascended, you have the attention of the Gods, it would make sense of them testing your abilities further.

And I agree with Algren on this. It's a game. Sit back and enjoy it. Why bother getting rushed through everything? And then you complain when there's nothing to do? Pah. At least this way it forces people to actually get ascended, instead of rushing to Forge for the armour, and then heading to FoW/UW.

Gedscho · Jul 15, 2005, 02:44 PM // 14:44

you dont get it, that i wouldnt take a friend down there to rush him, but to give the whole team a stronger feeling of accomplishment.

Quote:

don't make cheapshot personal attacks simply because I believe you should play the game....it makes you look like a child

please tell me, where i attacked you personally?
sorry guy, you are talking BS and thats all i say. i never said youre stupid or something. if you feel offended, thats your problem.

Algren Cole · Jul 15, 2005, 02:46 PM // 14:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gedscho

damnit think about it again. lol
IT IS possible. if there wasnt this patch, we could have made a bet.

10p, i can let 2 level one w's tank the aatxes. (one works too, but two to shwo you, im fine with energy.)
10p, you cannot do it until you learn some monk skills.

oh yea, trapper run is fun, but not very creative, in my opinion.

unlike many players I don't have any gold...there is no use for it and I see no reason to stock pile it. if I get a good drop I find a noob than can make use of it and I give it to him. I don't need 100plat to make myself feel special...I have nothing to spend it on....and if you think a lvl1 warrior can do UW I applaud you for your ability to make an attempt to think for yourself...it bothers me none if they can or can't

Gedscho · Jul 15, 2005, 02:48 PM // 14:48

then dont walk around telling everybody you NEED to be ascended to be any help down there.
that is simply wrong.

oh btw, i dont have 10plat either, but just to show you, i am serious, you know.

oh and YET another thing: if they planned it this way in the first place, maybe the entrance to fow and uw would be in dragons lair.
they had to change it because people where not able to do it at lowlevels and others are narrowminded.

you know, i might say, maybe FOW i would want any level 11 or lower.

but UW, any day.

Jul 15, 2005, 02:32 PM // 14:32	#32
Gedscho Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: the Zen Men Profession: Mo/W	narrowminded, algren. what if my guild wants to take challenges WE pick ourselves? like going uw with some lvl 11 chars? if we want to, why shouldnt we be allowed? because others are too stupid to plan their teams properly? and are leaving the game because of those griefers (aatxes)? damnit force em to be smart, not ascended! Last edited by Gedscho; Jul 15, 2005 at 02:34 PM // 14:34..

Jul 15, 2005, 02:40 PM // 14:40	#36
Gedscho Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: the Zen Men Profession: Mo/W	damnit think about it again. lol IT IS possible. if there wasnt this patch, we could have made a bet. 10p, i can let 2 level one w's tank the aatxes. (one works too, but two to shwo you, im fine with energy.) 10p, you cannot do it until you learn some monk skills. oh yea, trapper run is fun, but not very creative, in my opinion. Last edited by Gedscho; Jul 15, 2005 at 02:43 PM // 14:43..

Jul 15, 2005, 02:48 PM // 14:48	#40
Gedscho Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: the Zen Men Profession: Mo/W	then dont walk around telling everybody you NEED to be ascended to be any help down there. that is simply wrong. oh btw, i dont have 10plat either, but just to show you, i am serious, you know. oh and YET another thing: if they planned it this way in the first place, maybe the entrance to fow and uw would be in dragons lair. they had to change it because people where not able to do it at lowlevels and others are narrowminded. you know, i might say, maybe FOW i would want any level 11 or lower. but UW, any day. Last edited by Gedscho; Jul 15, 2005 at 02:54 PM // 14:54..

Jul 15, 2005, 12:54 PM // 12:54	#21
Andy of Glacieria Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: pD-Paladins of the Dark Profession: W/Mo	I dant read many of the upper posts cause sum are just rants... I say waht they did was right. I think this was meant to stop the lvl 16s goin about there and smacking taht they own UW. Ascension was the intended way to gain lvl 20 and access to the Forge, NOT running through Lornar's Pass.

Jul 15, 2005, 12:59 PM // 12:59	#22
Ollj Jungle Guide Join Date: May 2005	No ToA without ascension is pointless but good. Its pointless because you can still lack in 30 atribute points and enter the zones there. Its pointless because i was in a good team many times that even invites lowlevel chars, as long as they listen to the chat and they are level 20 really quick getting 5-15 atribute points. Its pointless because every idiot can get ascended by 5 other good players. Is good because it stops fast leveling of super-low level chars by some teammates, but why is that bad unless its sold by ebay, and thats the bad thing there, not the fast leveling of lowlevels. Its good because you have to prove working teamwork before going down there. statement: i love level 10 players in the deserts and on fire islands but i hate them in the southetrn shiverpeaks, guess the difference.

Jul 15, 2005, 01:15 PM // 13:15	#23
Torkemada Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Argentina Guild: EC - The Epic Crusade Profession: Mo/Me	In my opinion, the requirements they implemented for accesing to UW or FoW, are not meant to keep "stupid" ppl out of it, as i read in some posts. Cos being lvl 20, or lvl 100 doesnt have a thing to do with the person sitting behind the keyboard. I think this action is more oriented to encourage u to play the storyline, and also to send a message to all those ppl, that get runned to all towns at low levels. It doesnt matter if u have been taken to droknars and u have the best armor, if u have the best gold equip. If u wanna get into the "bonus" zones, u are gonna have to beat the desert. I think this is a good road, still needs more work, but its a start.

Jul 15, 2005, 01:33 PM // 13:33	#24
EverBlue Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Canada, AB, Calgary Guild: Arcane Draconum Profession: W/Mo	Ah. Well glad to hear it's not locked out to players who haven't been Ascended. There's a quest in it which sort of screws things up.. Where you have to get those scriptures of the Unseen. Well if you've been to the desert, the good Vizier has already told you that the mainland is no longer safe for you, and obviously the Mursaat would be on the hunt. So getting those scriptures...

Jul 15, 2005, 02:14 PM // 14:14	#25
Maxiemonster There is no spoon. Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Netherlands Profession: Mo/	So, you can't even enter the Temple of Ages when you didn't ascend, or is it just that you can't enter Underworld or Fissure of Woe when you didn't ascend. Since my lvl 10 Warrior that didn't ascend (still in the Crystal Desserts) could enter Temple of Ages..

Jul 15, 2005, 02:18 PM // 14:18	#26
EverBlue Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Canada, AB, Calgary Guild: Arcane Draconum Profession: W/Mo	From what I gather, non-ascended characters can't enter FoW or UW. They can still enter ToA.

Jul 15, 2005, 02:20 PM // 14:20	#27
Algren Cole Banned Join Date: Jun 2005	I don't want anyone that hasn't ascended (and can prove it by BEING ascended on their character) on my UW FoW team....even if you could get into the UW/FoW without ascending...do you really think anyone would take you?

Jul 15, 2005, 02:27 PM // 14:27	#28
Calimar Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: Silver Limon Profession: E/Me	How do you tell if one has ascended or not?! and even then... I could have a lv 20 not-ascended monk and another ascended character... who cares about ascension? it's the player's skill that counts. My opinion.

Jul 15, 2005, 02:29 PM // 14:29	#29
Gedscho Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: the Zen Men Profession: Mo/W	true. i can think of at least 4 non ascended chars that would be a great addition to our team. i dont see why there are so many changes to make the new guys happy and the old guys sad. the new guys already paid for their account! let them learn or leave damnit... james brown comes to mind: you gotta hit me hit me hit me hit me with your nerfing stick

Jul 15, 2005, 02:30 PM // 14:30	#31
EverBlue Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Canada, AB, Calgary Guild: Arcane Draconum Profession: W/Mo	Well, if they don't enter FoW/UW, you know they're not ascended.. Warrior 1: "Alright, guys. Everyone here?" Warrior 3: "Yep, believe so." Warrior 2: "Wait, where's our second monk?" Elementalist 1: "He left! That bastard!" Warrior 2: "Hold on, I just got a PM from him. It wouldn't let him in." Monk 1: "That son of a b*tch hasn't Ascended!" Prince Rurik: "Let us dive into a pool of Charr!"

Jul 15, 2005, 02:42 PM // 14:42	#37
EverBlue Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Canada, AB, Calgary Guild: Arcane Draconum Profession: W/Mo	Actually. It makes sense. Why would the Gods pay special attention to some fool just coming up in the world? After you've Ascended, you have the attention of the Gods, it would make sense of them testing your abilities further. And I agree with Algren on this. It's a game. Sit back and enjoy it. Why bother getting rushed through everything? And then you complain when there's nothing to do? Pah. At least this way it forces people to actually get ascended, instead of rushing to Forge for the armour, and then heading to FoW/UW.