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Algren Cole · Jul 18, 2005, 03:53 PM // 15:53

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Originally Posted by Paralyze

It needs to be stopped why? Because you can't/didn't do it? Get a clue you freakin moron. Worry about your own play experience and stop worrying what others do. I wish this game had a monthly fee to get rid of the losers like you. What do you care if someone was run to Droknors to obtain armor or even run to get 15k armor? My warrior had Droknors at 13. I've finished everything in the game. My monk had 15k armor at 8 and he's now 19. My necro has 15k armor at 7 (got it last night). Why do you care what someone else does? You don't have to group with them, you don't have to talk to them. Are you mad because they are probably a better player and have friends? My guess is most likely. My guess is that you are also the type of person to talk to the ghost in the UW (if you have even made it that far) which wipes that party.

Again, to all you people bitching. WORRY ABOUT YOUR OWN DAMN GAME.

how does having 15K armor because someone in your guild ran you to it, make you a better player? I don't see the correlation....

Kha · Jul 18, 2005, 03:57 PM // 15:57

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

if you're 3-4 levels lower than everyone else in the group...how are you contributing on an equal basis as far as dmg? just because you don't die doesn't mean you're helping. Don't you find yourself doing minimal dmg compared to the rest of the group?

Nope. I can do just as much damage and more. Why? Because I already know what skills work and what don't. Plus it isn't always about damage in every battle. There are other skills that help too, with conditions, effects and the like. Just because someone isn't the damage dealer doesn't mean they're the weakest link. I'm usually the same level as the henchmen when I reach a new area.

Lots of the lower levels, or the ones I have grouped with, are experienced players. They know the missions, how to follow orders, how to coordinate attacks, and what builds work against what enemies. With my elementalist, I may have been 3 levels lower than the other elementalist in the groups, but I usually had higher magic. I may have had lower life, but that never became a problem. I know how to avoid aggro and how to put aggro onto the warriors.

I'm by far not the best player in the game, nor do I care if I am. But I am a team player and know what I am doing. I don't desert teams when they mess up, I don't leech, and I don't exploit the game. I've been playing the game fairly since the WPE. I'm just tired of the attitudes of people thinking they are better than others just because they are higher level or have uber gear. This is not EQ or WoW.

Algren Cole · Jul 18, 2005, 04:07 PM // 16:07

so it's not that you're under-leveled it's that most people are over-leveled....nothing wrong with that.

EverBlue · Jul 18, 2005, 05:01 PM // 17:01

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Originally Posted by Kha

Nope. I can do just as much damage and more. Why? Because I already know what skills work and what don't. Plus it isn't always about damage in every battle. There are other skills that help too, with conditions, effects and the like. Just because someone isn't the damage dealer doesn't mean they're the weakest link. I'm usually the same level as the henchmen when I reach a new area.

As someone already pointed out, if you've been rushed to Forge and are doing missions and quests PAST forge, then chances are you won't have a lot of the skills which are needed.

I choose my groups based on level, rather than experience, later on (Southern Shiverpeaks, Fire Islands) because I know that if you're a low level in Forge, you haven't ascended and won't have full use of all attribute points, you also won't have the extra +30 attribute points from the quests around ascension. That means attribute specific skills aren't as useful, you'll have less health, and won't really do as much as a level 20 using the same skills.

I really don't care if people are rushed or not. I don't compete in the Ascalon arenas, so I've nothing to worry about there. Any low levels I find in the Lion's Arch arena's are usually on the opponents team (Much to their dislike) and are easier opponents. But when it comes to my PvE, why should I bring along a lower level who doesn't want to play the game?

Kha · Jul 18, 2005, 05:36 PM // 17:36

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Originally Posted by EverBlue

As someone already pointed out, if you've been rushed to Forge and are doing missions and quests PAST forge, then chances are you won't have a lot of the skills which are needed.

This is only true for people who don't do anything before the Forge. Not every rusher is like that. And it's quite debatable what skills are needed and what aren't. 80% of the skills I have I never use in PvE, no matter what the circumstance is. Why should I waste time getting them?

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I choose my groups based on level, rather than experience, later on (Southern Shiverpeaks, Fire Islands) because I know that if you're a low level in Forge, you haven't ascended and won't have full use of all attribute points, you also won't have the extra +30 attribute points from the quests around ascension. That means attribute specific skills aren't as useful, you'll have less health, and won't really do as much as a level 20 using the same skills.

I agree with this to a point. In my opinion, it depends on the level of the person. I'm not talking about lvl 5s or 10s wanting to get into groups. Then again, just because you have all 200 attribute points doesn't mean you have a clue how to use them. And not every lvl 20 has done the attribute quests anyways. Lots of people spread themselves too thin with their attributes and don't know what skills to bring. Admittingly, having a 12 in one attribute compared to someone with an 8 makes it statistically more effective, but what really matters is the person knowing when and how to use the skill to make it fully effective.

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But when it comes to my PvE, why should I bring along a lower level who doesn't want to play the game?

If they didn't want to play the game, they wouldn't be playing it.

Orochim4ru · Jul 18, 2005, 11:39 PM // 23:39

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

if you're 3-4 levels lower than everyone else in the group...how are you contributing on an equal basis as far as dmg? just because you don't die doesn't mean you're helping. Don't you find yourself doing minimal dmg compared to the rest of the group?

Seeing as you can have an attribute at 16 far before reaching level 20, you're completely wrong. Not only that, but having skill and knowing the missions accounts for far more than pure dmg output. I lure group X, and tell my group to stay back. They do so and take out the group, while a huge patrol ambles by the original area. Looks like my lowered dmg (which isn't lowered, as i stated above..) came with the offset bonus of keeping everyone alive and beating the mission.

I did UW and FoW before they got patched at level 9, and guess what: people said i was the best prot monk they had ever seen (and i was a mes/mo). Hell, my low hp made me even stronger, since i had prot bond.

quanzong · Jul 19, 2005, 12:19 AM // 00:19

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Originally Posted by xiuk

omg is this possible!?!?

he says he ran there with his guild members...

level 1 at frost gate

Its possible, but he LIED he ran into mobs and died, THEN his guild members ran for him, now if he had 0 deaths, its possible, but its like winning the lottery.

Bongo2k · Jul 21, 2005, 11:52 AM // 11:52

Erm, to all the people who are saying whats right and whats wrong, and whining about it should be stopped. Who the f**k made you God? What gives you the right to say whats wrong and whats right in a game you have no control over? If anyone is to decide whats right and whats wrong it is ArenaNet or NCSoft, NOT some insignifict player who's having a hissy fit because someone didnt play the game "their way". You people are so pathetic because you try and control something you have no control over.

Haloknight9 · Jul 21, 2005, 05:06 PM // 17:06

I agree with psycore and kha on this subject. People really need to start being more open-minded on this subject rather than getting mad becuase someone isn't playing the game the way someone else wants them to play it.

Stop assuming that most of the low levels at the forge are trying to screw up your gaming experence. (you have the choice to invite them...) All the people I know that do this simply have played through the game and are just making it a bit easier to go through it the next times, nothing wrong with that. (why do you think the devs hooked up a high level area to a low level area? please... think about it..)

As for the few ive heard about screwing up pvp in the lower level areas with the higher armor... feel free to report them with screenshots and all... they are exploiting something the devs put in to make our (the people that been through the game) lives a bit easier.... to grief people, plain and simple. Please dont make me quote the guidelines...

I dont agree with giving the armor a lv requirement, thats just silly.

As for people whining about others getting the skills in droknars, let us not forget that they have to actually get skill points to get those. That means they have to run all the missions to get skill points to spend on them, and if they plan on unlocking every skill in the game, as do i, they need to hit 20 and keep leveling to get skill points. As it is impossible to get all skills for both professions before level 20. Unless you try to unlock it through pvp, even so... if you do that legitimately, then i see no issues.

Just my two cents.

Bongo2k · Jul 21, 2005, 06:06 PM // 18:06

Coming Soon - Level 2 in Droknars Forge, screenshots will be posted asap.

InFeStEd · Jul 21, 2005, 06:15 PM // 18:15

stop your whoring, if someone wants to spend their money to have a runner run a path that the game creators created for that sole purpose then let them. If you don't wanna see low lvl characters at the forge then close your RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing eyes.

InFeStEd · Jul 21, 2005, 06:19 PM // 18:19

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Originally Posted by Witchblade

Bah THEY are the noobs in all this.. they still have to go bck to do their quests to get some skills and open towns in jungle etc to buy new ones..

The only good thing is that u can get nice armor at the beginning, which proves it's quite a noobish attitude..u can quite easily beat the quests if u know how to play
Maybe that's also about braggin' "y got Droknar set, u dont, stupid lvl 10 noob stfu i owned u" Well if that's rlly the point, those kinda guys ll have to clean their keyboard after playing too much with their balls

those runs are lame and i think most ppl in Southern Shiverpeaks that leechers like that ll ask for help will say "get the f*** back to ascalon u moron"

But, i might be wrong

200% agreed

that d definitely bring balance 'bout this problem

and what about those who need the armour to farm?

AcidRock · Jul 21, 2005, 06:24 PM // 18:24

I'm also totaly against the removing of either the link between beacon and droknar or the lvl req for armors. I finished the game 3 times and all is left for me is to unlock every single skills in the game (which i'm not too far from, thx to the droknar run) i can make a char.. and 3 hours later hes in droknar.. so i get the armor... go back at ascalon and make every single quest to lions arch only with henchies in like half the time it would take to a normal lvl 5... then at lvl 10 or so i take my henchies from lions arch.. run to bergen hotspring.. to temple of the age.. to fisherman haven... to sactum cay then do the mission.. guess what im at amnoon oasis with a lvl 11 and ive got there only with henchies... at this point i got a few skill point and can afford a lot of skills unlocking ... when im done.. i delete the char and start a new one....
it takes about 2-3 days to unlock around 30-40 skills... and this wouldn't be possible without what this thread is all against ...
I'm not saying that ppl who play the game for the first time should do that.. it is not intended this way anyway... but for those who already finished the game atleast once.. it get the whole story a bit less boring to get to the point.

my 2 cents.

Yamat · Jul 21, 2005, 07:56 PM // 19:56

I don't have a problem with people rushing to get the 15k armor (or even the exact same but less pretty 1.5k armor from Droknor's), but those characters should then NOT be allowed in any PvP competition until they reach L20. Any.

People getting the armor so they can then plow through the PvE game "quicker" is fine by me (not that you need the armor for that, but hey, their choice), but they shouldn't be allowed to grief others in the Arenas.

Orochim4ru · Jul 21, 2005, 08:44 PM // 20:44

The low level arenas have always been an effort in "omfg i out nubbed you!" so why are you complaining about griefing?

I've gone in there and seen level 15 groups, since they've just kept winning, and i've gone against them with 3 level 3's. Is that grief? No, it isn't. You pvp the way you want to: if you're tired of these level 1-10 ubergamers then just wait till you're at droknars, get a team together and pwn the team arenas.

Yamat · Jul 21, 2005, 08:57 PM // 20:57

Of course its griefing... there are legit players in there getting owned by characters because the equipment they have is far superior and out of reach for a normal character of that level. And you just admitted to it. It's people like you who put other off the whole PvP experience...

What an ass...

Zeegen · Aug 03, 2005, 08:46 PM // 20:46

When I first started playing this game, I followed the normal path, completing the quests and missions along the way until I reached the desert and completed my character's path to ascension. My W/Mo was a lvl 20 several missions before he actually ascended.

When I decided to create an e/me for GvG, I had no intentions of running through all of the missions again. With the help of members of my guild, My lv5 e/me is now at Sanctum Cay, equipped with Forge armor. I don't feel that I cheated the game, or have robbed myself of the experience. I am certain I haven't harmed anyone else by my actions. I know the exact skills I want to use, and I know exactly how I am going to setup the attributes. By this weekend I will have ascended this character as well, and will start planning out my next character.

Anyone that is playing the game with their first character should have to go through all of the hours of gameplay to complete the missions and ascend. However, once someone has passed that test, I see no reason for them to have to do it all over again.

I have never asked anyone for help other than members of my guild, so I have never been a weak link in someone's party. I am sure my tactics at character advancement are considered an exploitation of the game by some, but I don't really care for the opinions of others. My strategy works for me. To those that agree with me, I encourage you to continue to play the game your way. For those that do not agree, do things your way, but allow others to take their own path without getting ridiculed by you.

This game is big enough for all of us.

chaos dragoon · Aug 03, 2005, 09:07 PM // 21:07

there is nothing wrong with a low lvl having drok armor.it doesnt make them "weak".i beat ice caves of sorrow with my lvl 11 ranger and all hencies.just wanted to do that and it was soo boring im not gona do iron mines with hencies.

please explain how a lvl 4 in droknars is ruining your game,for this example they never pvped with that character.i find the game alot easier with droks armor,and defenitly easier to find a group.

Jul 21, 2005, 05:06 PM // 17:06	#69
Haloknight9 Academy Page Join Date: Jul 2005	I agree with psycore and kha on this subject. People really need to start being more open-minded on this subject rather than getting mad becuase someone isn't playing the game the way someone else wants them to play it. Stop assuming that most of the low levels at the forge are trying to screw up your gaming experence. (you have the choice to invite them...) All the people I know that do this simply have played through the game and are just making it a bit easier to go through it the next times, nothing wrong with that. (why do you think the devs hooked up a high level area to a low level area? please... think about it..) As for the few ive heard about screwing up pvp in the lower level areas with the higher armor... feel free to report them with screenshots and all... they are exploiting something the devs put in to make our (the people that been through the game) lives a bit easier.... to grief people, plain and simple. Please dont make me quote the guidelines... I dont agree with giving the armor a lv requirement, thats just silly. As for people whining about others getting the skills in droknars, let us not forget that they have to actually get skill points to get those. That means they have to run all the missions to get skill points to spend on them, and if they plan on unlocking every skill in the game, as do i, they need to hit 20 and keep leveling to get skill points. As it is impossible to get all skills for both professions before level 20. Unless you try to unlock it through pvp, even so... if you do that legitimately, then i see no issues. Just my two cents. Last edited by Haloknight9; Jul 21, 2005 at 05:13 PM // 17:13..

Aug 03, 2005, 08:46 PM // 20:46	#77
Zeegen Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: Shards of a Broken Crown Profession: W/Mo	When I first started playing this game, I followed the normal path, completing the quests and missions along the way until I reached the desert and completed my character's path to ascension. My W/Mo was a lvl 20 several missions before he actually ascended. When I decided to create an e/me for GvG, I had no intentions of running through all of the missions again. With the help of members of my guild, My lv5 e/me is now at Sanctum Cay, equipped with Forge armor. I don't feel that I cheated the game, or have robbed myself of the experience. I am certain I haven't harmed anyone else by my actions. I know the exact skills I want to use, and I know exactly how I am going to setup the attributes. By this weekend I will have ascended this character as well, and will start planning out my next character. Anyone that is playing the game with their first character should have to go through all of the hours of gameplay to complete the missions and ascend. However, once someone has passed that test, I see no reason for them to have to do it all over again. I have never asked anyone for help other than members of my guild, so I have never been a weak link in someone's party. I am sure my tactics at character advancement are considered an exploitation of the game by some, but I don't really care for the opinions of others. My strategy works for me. To those that agree with me, I encourage you to continue to play the game your way. For those that do not agree, do things your way, but allow others to take their own path without getting ridiculed by you. This game is big enough for all of us. Last edited by Zeegen; Aug 03, 2005 at 08:54 PM // 20:54..

Jul 18, 2005, 04:07 PM // 16:07	#63
Algren Cole Banned Join Date: Jun 2005	so it's not that you're under-leveled it's that most people are over-leveled....nothing wrong with that.

Jul 21, 2005, 11:52 AM // 11:52	#68
Bongo2k Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jun 2005	Erm, to all the people who are saying whats right and whats wrong, and whining about it should be stopped. Who the f**k made you God? What gives you the right to say whats wrong and whats right in a game you have no control over? If anyone is to decide whats right and whats wrong it is ArenaNet or NCSoft, NOT some insignifict player who's having a hissy fit because someone didnt play the game "their way". You people are so pathetic because you try and control something you have no control over.

Jul 21, 2005, 06:06 PM // 18:06	#70
Bongo2k Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jun 2005	Coming Soon - Level 2 in Droknars Forge, screenshots will be posted asap.

Jul 21, 2005, 06:15 PM // 18:15	#71
InFeStEd Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: Pirates of Blountville Profession: N/Me	stop your whoring, if someone wants to spend their money to have a runner run a path that the game creators created for that sole purpose then let them. If you don't wanna see low lvl characters at the forge then close your RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing eyes.

Jul 21, 2005, 06:24 PM // 18:24	#73
AcidRock Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Quebec Guild: Think Big Sti [PING]	I'm also totaly against the removing of either the link between beacon and droknar or the lvl req for armors. I finished the game 3 times and all is left for me is to unlock every single skills in the game (which i'm not too far from, thx to the droknar run) i can make a char.. and 3 hours later hes in droknar.. so i get the armor... go back at ascalon and make every single quest to lions arch only with henchies in like half the time it would take to a normal lvl 5... then at lvl 10 or so i take my henchies from lions arch.. run to bergen hotspring.. to temple of the age.. to fisherman haven... to sactum cay then do the mission.. guess what im at amnoon oasis with a lvl 11 and ive got there only with henchies... at this point i got a few skill point and can afford a lot of skills unlocking ... when im done.. i delete the char and start a new one.... it takes about 2-3 days to unlock around 30-40 skills... and this wouldn't be possible without what this thread is all against ... I'm not saying that ppl who play the game for the first time should do that.. it is not intended this way anyway... but for those who already finished the game atleast once.. it get the whole story a bit less boring to get to the point. my 2 cents.

Jul 21, 2005, 07:56 PM // 19:56	#74
Yamat Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: San Diego, USA	I don't have a problem with people rushing to get the 15k armor (or even the exact same but less pretty 1.5k armor from Droknor's), but those characters should then NOT be allowed in any PvP competition until they reach L20. Any. People getting the armor so they can then plow through the PvE game "quicker" is fine by me (not that you need the armor for that, but hey, their choice), but they shouldn't be allowed to grief others in the Arenas.

Jul 21, 2005, 08:44 PM // 20:44	#75
Orochim4ru Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: mustache riders	The low level arenas have always been an effort in "omfg i out nubbed you!" so why are you complaining about griefing? I've gone in there and seen level 15 groups, since they've just kept winning, and i've gone against them with 3 level 3's. Is that grief? No, it isn't. You pvp the way you want to: if you're tired of these level 1-10 ubergamers then just wait till you're at droknars, get a team together and pwn the team arenas.

Jul 21, 2005, 08:57 PM // 20:57	#76
Yamat Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: San Diego, USA	Of course its griefing... there are legit players in there getting owned by characters because the equipment they have is far superior and out of reach for a normal character of that level. And you just admitted to it. It's people like you who put other off the whole PvP experience... What an ass...

Aug 03, 2005, 09:07 PM // 21:07	#78
chaos dragoon Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: The Warrior Nation[WN] Profession: R/	there is nothing wrong with a low lvl having drok armor.it doesnt make them "weak".i beat ice caves of sorrow with my lvl 11 ranger and all hencies.just wanted to do that and it was soo boring im not gona do iron mines with hencies. please explain how a lvl 4 in droknars is ruining your game,for this example they never pvped with that character.i find the game alot easier with droks armor,and defenitly easier to find a group.