Max damage weapons that important? - Guild Wars Forums

Akilles · Aug 15, 2005, 03:17 AM // 03:17

I search on weapon damage but the results were daunting and did not look like what i wanted to know.

Just how important is it to have a max damage weapon? if your max damage is 1 point off from max that means a HUGE diffrent in price, but realy how big is it in terms of power? I have max weapons and the req. to use them fully, BUT! i NEVER once see that max number rise up fom the baddies, so many factors, level, armor, etc. that all makes a diffrence.

If a sword is 14-21 damage from what i read here this means the sword is a pile of crap, So 1 point makes it go from crap to kick ass? I am sure there are some ppl here who know the system better about how it adds up, i have wondered for a while now.

I use a shadow staff for my monk (looks only

) not a max damage and dont need it to be since i heal, i barely run into energy trouble so i am cool there. It was also a Divine Favor staff which suprised e to find as a shadow staff. the dual HP mods are not top end but high enough to make a huge diffrence. why all the fuss over max damage then?

Help me understand

chaos dragoon · Aug 15, 2005, 03:19 AM // 03:19

im confused too.i bought a 14-26 storm bow for 2k,for only 2 less damage i saved around 10k

VGJustice · Aug 15, 2005, 03:27 AM // 03:27

personally, I think that this goes with the Gold vs Anything Else argument. That extra 10k you pay for a Max damage weapon is... fluff. Yeah, just fluff.

IMHO, 1-2 points of damage isn't going to make that big a difference except to complete morons.

Xue Yi Liang · Aug 15, 2005, 03:50 AM // 03:50

Same reason why a 1.00 kt D-flawless diamond costs twice as much as 0.98 kt.
All the married folks know what I'm talking about. All the unmarried folks will find out in the future (or maybe not...).

Vermilion Okeanos · Aug 15, 2005, 06:12 AM // 06:12

To other RPG games where it is just point and click, yes... that extra dmg actually does matter.

However, this game's main focus is what skill you are carrying... so we all know by now, it doesn't matter that much on the 1-2 points...

BUT, in a battle field every little advantage should not be overlook... but it should be obvious that some advantage come into calculation first, while some other less important advantage come after... but do not forget the less important advantage that you could have get.

So to apply these... pretty much just make a good build first then search for the weapon, etc.

But for things that is not even on the battlefield... (such as diamond ring) get the .98

pearhk · Aug 15, 2005, 06:25 AM // 06:25

I wish to point out that
it is painful to put any Good upgrades onto a non-max, imperfect weapon

consider u have many expensive good upgrades, 10/9 Furious, 10/9 sundering
will u put them into ur 13-20 sword ?

This pain make the price difference

Mugon M. Musashi · Aug 15, 2005, 06:59 AM // 06:59

when you have the choice, it's logic that you would prefer the max

Kamatsu · Aug 15, 2005, 07:01 AM // 07:01

nah, the price difference is there because of people's fixation on "must have the best!" .. it's a mind set that you have to get the best.. max damage..

Why do you think a clean Gold max damage butterfly sword will sell for a [b]*lot*[/] more gold than a clean White max damage butterfly sword? They have the exact same stats, but the Gold one will sell for more simply because it's name is Gold... and why? Because a whole lottsa ppl have a fixation that Gold > everything else and who cares about the stats on em!

Thats why you cxan sell gold weapons for more than purple.. and hardly sell blue.. and forget trying to sell white weapons. Heck, I guarantee if I offered to sell a clean white max damage weapon or a 1 off max damage gold weapon.. I'd have a whole lot easier time selling the gold weapon.. simply because it's gold.

It's just a mentality players have gotten.. and you look at most other games.. and this is where the problem lies - Guild Wars is about the skilsl you use and not about the equipment. You don't need max equipment... however, in other games the focus is on getting better equipment and less about what skills you use/have. This means people in those games are focused of finding the "best" equipment they can....

And then they play GW.. which doesn't do that... but their mind-set is still "must get best equipment!".. and usually "rare" stuff in a game > everything else... thus you have the fixation on Gold > purple > everything else .. as well as the fixation on max damage weapons.

It has nothing to do with upgrades or possibly loosing them (although that does play a part, but it's not the main focus for the general public playing).. it has to do with the fact that every other game out there focuses on getting better equipment.. and the fact you need better equipment if your going to make it. GW isn't like tham... but people will find it hard to break that mentality of needing "uber" gear...

and thats why Gold and/or max damage weapons sell for more than purple/blue and/or slightly off max damage weapons.

Ensign · Aug 15, 2005, 07:53 AM // 07:53

Weapons that aren't max base damage are crap on the secondary market. Why? Because max damage weapons are thrown away on a regular basis. There's barely a market for plain max damage weapons, so why should something even worse be tradable.

On the other hand, the difference between, say, a +10% damage while health is above 50% magic sword and a +15% damage while health is above damage sword is pretty miniscule.

Peace,
-CxE

Akilles · Aug 15, 2005, 12:11 PM // 12:11

The majority of the replies are what i was thinking as well. I think i will only need that 1 extra point maybe ONCE during the entire life that I play the game. So to save tens of thousands I will let that one time slide. As for high req. I would only buy that if I were going to have a high attribute anyway.

thanks all!

pearhk · Aug 15, 2005, 12:57 PM // 12:57

Later u will find that 10k, 20k is not really that much
I store up my upgrades until i find a +13/14% above 50 weapon

i prefer spend this more gold so that I no longer need to store any upgrades (except for sale purpose)

adding upgrade onto non-max, even if on those max but with no dmg bonus,
is totally a waste of good upgrades

a tips here:
i think +14% and +15% is totally no differece at all
so i always glad to pay far less amount for +14%

Santanus_Perro · Aug 15, 2005, 01:17 PM // 13:17

Yep, if you can afford a D color, Flawless inclusion rating stone, you might as well get the 1 kt stone.

My wife got a very nice stone that I paid $3,000 for. .75 kt, F color (which is still colorless), and SI1 inclusion rating, which is toward the upper end of good. She loves it. If you are thinking about getting married, PM me. I can teach you all about the "4 Cs"

Trucker · Aug 15, 2005, 01:37 PM // 13:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by kamatsu

Thats why you cxan sell gold weapons for more than purple.. and hardly sell blue.. and forget trying to sell white weapons. Heck, I guarantee if I offered to sell a clean white max damage weapon or a 1 off max damage gold weapon.. I'd have a whole lot easier time selling the gold weapon.. simply because it's gold.

I bought a white max damage hammer a while back for a silver and red dye. Everyone thought I was nuts, but all I had up to that point was an 11-17 hammer and so that white hammer made a huge difference to me in the game. Within two days, I had already picked up a new red and silver (and a purple and minor vigor rune to boot) with all the hunting I was able to do with that new hammer. White or not, it was damn well worth it.

-Pall

Count Feanor · Aug 15, 2005, 02:24 PM // 14:24

I have a white max damage Fellblade and a white max dmg hammer with good upgrades and can't sell them for 1k. It's pretty sad seeing that they do as much damage as a gold item.

hotspur · Aug 15, 2005, 02:28 PM // 14:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by pearhk

I wish to point out that
it is painful to put any Good upgrades onto a non-max, imperfect weapon

consider u have many expensive good upgrades, 10/9 Furious, 10/9 sundering
will u put them into ur 13-20 sword ?

This pain make the price difference

Can somebody please please please tell me what all this 8/10, 9/10, 10/10, stuff is all about, i know its about perfect upgrades but what does that mean?

Xue Yi Liang · Aug 15, 2005, 03:10 PM // 15:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Santanus_Perro

Yep, if you can afford a D color, Flawless inclusion rating stone, you might as well get the 1 kt stone.

My wife got a very nice stone that I paid $3,000 for. .75 kt, F color (which is still colorless), and SI1 inclusion rating, which is toward the upper end of good. She loves it. If you are thinking about getting married, PM me. I can teach you all about the "4 Cs"

LOL - I was engaged for a while (we broke it off last year) - I got her a 1.5kt H color (near colorless - since she wanted it set in 18k yellow gold anyway) but a VS1 perfect cut - a steal at $9,000 (took me almost a year of research to find). I would have gone with a better, smaller stone - but this is what she preferred - Highest maintenance woman I've ever known. Still, what can you expect from an international flight attendant and former lingerie model? I'm glad it's over, but we're still friends. ... sorry I drifted off there....

.... oh yeah - I'd rather have the max Holy Rod than a non-max one.

audioaxes · Aug 15, 2005, 04:15 PM // 16:15

its WAY to easy to get a max weapon for you not to have a max weapon

ZenPali · Aug 15, 2005, 04:32 PM // 16:32

I'm not sure how to apply this to GW, but if I were to buy an engagement ring, I would buy a used one from someone selling, and salvage it for the stone.

Then have the jeweler craft a ring with your stone. Any jeweler will rip you off buying a new ring, so don't give them the chance.

Xue Yi Liang · Aug 15, 2005, 04:38 PM // 16:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZenPali

I'm not sure how to apply this to GW, but if I were to buy an engagement ring, I would buy a used one from someone selling, and salvage it for the stone.

Then have the jeweler craft a ring with your stone. Any jeweler will rip you off buying a new ring, so don't give them the chance.

Actually, the way to do it is to purchase an unmounted stone - then have someone mount it. Never buy a pre-made ring or (heaven forbid) go to a mall if you don't have to.

Still - if it's true love - the ring is only cosmetic. I haven't given up on romance.

BTW - I don't have the ring anymore. If I were to get engaged again I'd build one again from scratch.

Caelus The Fallen · Aug 15, 2005, 04:39 PM // 16:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by hotspur

Can somebody please please please tell me what all this 8/10, 9/10, 10/10, stuff is all about, i know its about perfect upgrades but what does that mean?

Refers to the upgrade stats, for example:
A 9/10 Sundering would be a 10% chance at 9% amour penetration. The best Sundering you can get is a 10/10.

Aug 15, 2005, 03:17 AM // 03:17	#1
Akilles Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Guild: Brothers of the Jade	Max damage weapons that important? I search on weapon damage but the results were daunting and did not look like what i wanted to know. Just how important is it to have a max damage weapon? if your max damage is 1 point off from max that means a HUGE diffrent in price, but realy how big is it in terms of power? I have max weapons and the req. to use them fully, BUT! i NEVER once see that max number rise up fom the baddies, so many factors, level, armor, etc. that all makes a diffrence. If a sword is 14-21 damage from what i read here this means the sword is a pile of crap, So 1 point makes it go from crap to kick ass? I am sure there are some ppl here who know the system better about how it adds up, i have wondered for a while now. I use a shadow staff for my monk (looks only ) not a max damage and dont need it to be since i heal, i barely run into energy trouble so i am cool there. It was also a Divine Favor staff which suprised e to find as a shadow staff. the dual HP mods are not top end but high enough to make a huge diffrence. why all the fuss over max damage then? Help me understand

Aug 15, 2005, 07:53 AM // 07:53	#9
Ensign Just Plain Fluffy Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Berkeley, CA Guild: Idiot Savants	Weapons that aren't max base damage are crap on the secondary market. Why? Because max damage weapons are thrown away on a regular basis. There's barely a market for plain max damage weapons, so why should something even worse be tradable. On the other hand, the difference between, say, a +10% damage while health is above 50% magic sword and a +15% damage while health is above damage sword is pretty miniscule. Peace, -CxE __________________ Don't argue with idiots. They bring you to their level and beat you with experience.

Aug 15, 2005, 02:24 PM // 14:24	#14
Count Feanor Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Hellsing Organization or... RIGHT BEHIND YOU!! Guild: The Royal Priesthood Profession: N/W	I don't see a difference... I have a white max damage Fellblade and a white max dmg hammer with good upgrades and can't sell them for 1k. It's pretty sad seeing that they do as much damage as a gold item.

Aug 15, 2005, 03:19 AM // 03:19	#2
chaos dragoon Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: The Warrior Nation[WN] Profession: R/	im confused too.i bought a 14-26 storm bow for 2k,for only 2 less damage i saved around 10k

Aug 15, 2005, 03:27 AM // 03:27	#3
VGJustice Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tyria, cappin' ur bosses Guild: Boston Guild [BG] Profession: R/W	personally, I think that this goes with the Gold vs Anything Else argument. That extra 10k you pay for a Max damage weapon is... fluff. Yeah, just fluff. IMHO, 1-2 points of damage isn't going to make that big a difference except to complete morons.

Aug 15, 2005, 03:50 AM // 03:50	#4
Xue Yi Liang Jungle Guide Join Date: May 2005 Location: Northern CA Guild: Outlaws of the Water Margin Profession: Mo/Me	Same reason why a 1.00 kt D-flawless diamond costs twice as much as 0.98 kt. All the married folks know what I'm talking about. All the unmarried folks will find out in the future (or maybe not...).

Aug 15, 2005, 06:12 AM // 06:12	#5
Vermilion Okeanos Forge Runner Join Date: Feb 2005	To other RPG games where it is just point and click, yes... that extra dmg actually does matter. However, this game's main focus is what skill you are carrying... so we all know by now, it doesn't matter that much on the 1-2 points... BUT, in a battle field every little advantage should not be overlook... but it should be obvious that some advantage come into calculation first, while some other less important advantage come after... but do not forget the less important advantage that you could have get. So to apply these... pretty much just make a good build first then search for the weapon, etc. But for things that is not even on the battlefield... (such as diamond ring) get the .98

Aug 15, 2005, 06:25 AM // 06:25	#6
pearhk Jungle Guide Join Date: May 2005 Location: Asia	I wish to point out that it is painful to put any Good upgrades onto a non-max, imperfect weapon consider u have many expensive good upgrades, 10/9 Furious, 10/9 sundering will u put them into ur 13-20 sword ? This pain make the price difference

Aug 15, 2005, 06:59 AM // 06:59	#7
Mugon M. Musashi Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: France (Paris) Guild: BUG Profession: Mo/W	when you have the choice, it's logic that you would prefer the max

Aug 15, 2005, 07:01 AM // 07:01	#8
Kamatsu Moderator Join Date: May 2005 Location: Australia	nah, the price difference is there because of people's fixation on "must have the best!" .. it's a mind set that you have to get the best.. max damage.. Why do you think a clean Gold max damage butterfly sword will sell for a [b]lot[/] more gold than a clean White max damage butterfly sword? They have the exact same stats, but the Gold one will sell for more simply because it's name is Gold... and why? Because a whole lottsa ppl have a fixation that Gold > everything else and who cares about the stats on em! Thats why you cxan sell gold weapons for more than purple.. and hardly sell blue.. and forget trying to sell white weapons. Heck, I guarantee if I offered to sell a clean white max damage weapon or a 1 off max damage gold weapon.. I'd have a whole lot easier time selling the gold weapon.. simply because it's gold. It's just a mentality players have gotten.. and you look at most other games.. and this is where the problem lies - Guild Wars is about the skilsl you use and not about the equipment. You don't need max equipment... however, in other games the focus is on getting better equipment and less about what skills you use/have. This means people in those games are focused of finding the "best" equipment they can.... And then they play GW.. which doesn't do that... but their mind-set is still "must get best equipment!".. and usually "rare" stuff in a game > everything else... thus you have the fixation on Gold > purple > everything else .. as well as the fixation on max damage weapons. It has nothing to do with upgrades or possibly loosing them (although that does play a part, but it's not the main focus for the general public playing).. it has to do with the fact that every other game out there focuses on getting better equipment.. and the fact you need better equipment if your going to make it. GW isn't like tham... but people will find it hard to break that mentality of needing "uber" gear... and thats why Gold and/or max damage weapons sell for more than purple/blue and/or slightly off max damage weapons.

Aug 15, 2005, 12:11 PM // 12:11	#10
Akilles Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Guild: Brothers of the Jade	The majority of the replies are what i was thinking as well. I think i will only need that 1 extra point maybe ONCE during the entire life that I play the game. So to save tens of thousands I will let that one time slide. As for high req. I would only buy that if I were going to have a high attribute anyway. thanks all!

Aug 15, 2005, 12:57 PM // 12:57	#11
pearhk Jungle Guide Join Date: May 2005 Location: Asia	Later u will find that 10k, 20k is not really that much I store up my upgrades until i find a +13/14% above 50 weapon i prefer spend this more gold so that I no longer need to store any upgrades (except for sale purpose) adding upgrade onto non-max, even if on those max but with no dmg bonus, is totally a waste of good upgrades a tips here: i think +14% and +15% is totally no differece at all so i always glad to pay far less amount for +14%

Aug 15, 2005, 01:17 PM // 13:17	#12
Santanus_Perro Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Scott Township, PA Guild: Iron Rangers Profession: W/Mo	Yep, if you can afford a D color, Flawless inclusion rating stone, you might as well get the 1 kt stone. My wife got a very nice stone that I paid $3,000 for. .75 kt, F color (which is still colorless), and SI1 inclusion rating, which is toward the upper end of good. She loves it. If you are thinking about getting married, PM me. I can teach you all about the "4 Cs"

Aug 15, 2005, 04:15 PM // 16:15	#17
audioaxes Jungle Guide Join Date: May 2005	its WAY to easy to get a max weapon for you not to have a max weapon

Aug 15, 2005, 04:32 PM // 16:32	#18
ZenPali Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Jersey Profession: N/Mo	I'm not sure how to apply this to GW, but if I were to buy an engagement ring, I would buy a used one from someone selling, and salvage it for the stone. Then have the jeweler craft a ring with your stone. Any jeweler will rip you off buying a new ring, so don't give them the chance.