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OverlordTyrael · Jul 25, 2005, 05:07 AM // 05:07

Just as a quick post, I'd like to mention that i tried out WoW until i was about level 10, then quit completely because of the utter boredom that i felt. Playing a level 60 character in high end raids and PVP would be satisfying part, but up until the post-game of WoW, it's extremely boring: ie. collect 5 duskbat wings, collect 5 wolf fangs, kill 10 skeletons. The quests in Guild Wars had variety and are more than enough to keep me interested. Also, do not forget that Guild Wars was built to run comparatively smoothly even for people with low end graphics cards and 56k internet. Compared to WoW, where someone with 56k couldn't even play the game, 56k works fairly well in GW. If you seem to be lagging with your graphics card, turn down the resolution, turn off antialiasing and post processing, turn down textures, and you'll still get a great looking game that I suspect will run very smoothly. That's it for now, thanks for listening to me.

Weezer_Blue · Jul 25, 2005, 05:20 AM // 05:20

Guild Wars allows you to choose a primary and secondary profession from a list of 6 classes.
-Warrior
-Ranger
-Necromancer
-Monk
-Mesmer
-Elementalist
These classes are all balanced. There is none of this "If you want to win, be a ___" crap (even though the WoW forums are spammed with W/Mo's being overpowered rumors). While all class combinations can be put to good use, no matter how outlandish, there are some good combinations for each profession, and some you should avoid.
Your primary profession effects what you look like, how much armour you have (and what type you wear), how much energy and energy regen you get, and the runes you can use (these give + to attribute). It also decides your "Primary Attribute" which you only get if that's your primary profession.
Your secondary profession gives you access to skills and attributes, and in turn weapons from both your primary and secondary. While you cannot pump the primary attribute for your secondary, all the skills, even from that attribute, are still available to you.

The map is pretty big. I definatly wouldn't want to run all the way across it in one go. The entire game, with the exception of Outposts, is instanced. Meaning that you and the party you formed are thrown into your own copy of the world, seperate from everyone else. There aren't any people camping monster spawns, or kill stealers, and stuff of that sort. And you can't be PKed off guard.
Once you get to an outpost, it stays on your map. You can instantly travel to it any time you want by opening your map and clicking it.

The PvP is all gladiatorial style. There's no "go into the special PKing area with a big group and gank whoever we can and take his stuff". In PvP, you go to an Arena, form a party (unless it's a random arena), and enter the mission. Then you will be in yet another instanced zone, against the other team. You don't lose money or anything for losing, nor do you gain a whole lot.

When you buy a skill using an "RP character" (the ones that have access to everything, it automatically unlocks it for your "PvP characters" (the ones that can be created spur of the moment using things collected by other characters, but can only participate in PvP). You can also unlock items by collecting "Faction" from winning battles, and using it to purchase PvP only character unlocks.

There are ~25 missions in the game.
There are a hell of a lot more explorable areas which go all over the place, surrounding the mission maps that are small in comparison.

The games graphics are far superior, and before the release of the next expansion, the engine will be upgraded, even for those who choose not to buyt he expansion.

The game has no monthly fees.

The game has less "grind" (although, nowhere near as little as during beta/rant)

kyrell · Jul 25, 2005, 09:12 AM // 09:12

The one thing that me bought this game was good graphics and no fees. I have never played WoW but in the commercial they are more or less at the same level. But no fees is a great advantage for me that has no credit card and living outside US. Unless they accepted paypal but thats too rare.

**That $150 can be $1500 if you use said $15/mo in smart investing.
I'm an adult who doesn't throw money away... usually. I have something most adults have to deal with too. It's called bills. Bills from real life.**

For me thats a lot.Now if I cant play GW during exams month and projects stuff. I am not regretting.

Plommon · Jul 25, 2005, 09:37 AM // 09:37

Id say in terms of moneys worth GW>SWG>EQ2>Lineage2>WoW>Tibia

beefalo · Jul 25, 2005, 09:56 AM // 09:56

ill try to give you a take from a eq/wow players perspective...mind you i just started GW yesterday and i never reached the high end content of either eq or wow(i lose interest fast...grinding is not my thing)....
i honestly believe eq and wow are some of the greatest games ever made...the amount of depth in these games is unbelievable....i don't wanna make a very long post so ill just mention a couple quick things...
wow has much more depth that GW....and i don't just mean in pve ...but in pvp also...battlegrounds and just random pvp in the world is a lot of fun...altho there is a high dependence on equipment and the fact that certain classes are gud for killing other classes there is still a lot of skill...and speed(can anyone say starcraft micro?) involved...the wow pvp is on much more of a massive scale than gw...
gw has no monthly fee which is great for me....there isn't as much grinding to get to the same level as everyone else another plus for me....its not hard to get similar equip as other players which is again gud for me....pvp altho very different from wow is very interesting and strategic altho i still believe it doesn't have the same depth as wow...gw's pve side is more like a normal single player rpg with the option to have a couple friends connect to ur game and help...it actually reminds me a lot of diablo...im not too much a fan of this as i enjoyed walking around wow running into random ppl...actually felt like i was in a world....however the focus of gw is unlike other mmorpg games....imagine an fps where u get the chance to customize ur char over the campaign then u can take him into multiplayer matches...thats the way i think of gw...and altho i was dissapointed at first....getting more into the skills and understanding what is going on i realize gw is also a great game...

which is better is like comparing apples and oranges...just pick which type of game you wanna play...i already listed why im playing gw now instead of wow....but for all the gw ppl in here...i have to say that you really should try warsong gulch with a 60 char in wow...the combat is very strategic and a lot of fun....

beefalo · Jul 25, 2005, 10:12 AM // 10:12

wow i actually read over some of the previous posts and there is quite a bias against wow in this thread....i dunno wut the reasoning behind it is...mebe some of you just haven't tried it...but my housemates and i all bought the game and played it(6 of us)...it is an amazing game no doubt about it....altho i didn't have the patience to get to 60 its not that hard actually especially compared to eq...but even if u don't get to 60 the game is still great...quests are actually fun and have some meaning...combat is action packed and very strategic....altho some ppl may tell u otherwise the pvp is very well balanced...there are a couple things like shamans being a little overpowered and pallys getting shafted but giving pallys a snare and putting a longer cooldown on shaman shocks should fix it...blizzard is very well known for well balanced excellent multiplayer action(starcraft anyone? greatest rts ever made...very well balanced also...its true that terran is the strongest and toss weakest but that is because toss is the easiest to play and terran is the hardest)....i would still be playing wow if it wasn't for the 15 a month fee ...its not that i don't wanna spend the money but that i don't have much time to play and then its like im wasting that 15 a month....if u have a lot of free time and don't mind the 15 i think wow will be a better game if ur looking for a MMORPG....i truly believe that GW is not a mmorpg...if u are looking for diablo 3 with some great skill based pvp(small numbers tho) then gw is great...especially if u don't have much time to play and u just wanna go on and duke it out a bit

Gwaihir · Jul 25, 2005, 11:56 AM // 11:56

I have been playing WoW since the open beta. I enjoyed the game alot. It was a great game. You get very immersed into it as you're questing along on your FIRST character. As soon as I started making a second character, that's when it hit me.....boredom. Level 1-10 is pretty much go out and kill 10 of this and 6 of that and then come back to me for your xp and reward....Level 10-20 is the same as 1-10 except that the monsters change some. This keeps going on till you reach 60. That is what really drove me nuts. The repetitiveness of collecting/killing 10 of this and 6 of that. Granted, there were some nice quests in WoW but the storline really didn't go anywhere.

Yes, you do get immersed into the game and you feel like you are in it while you are running and you see others running around doing their quests. That was a cool aspect of the game but sometimes it would really tick you off when you fight your way to a boss and you are killing the last guy before the boss and some idiot runs right in and kills the boss, takes the loot and you have to sit there and wait for respawn.

Flying on the hippogryphs or taking the boat or tram (train) was cool for the first 10 times. After that, you just wish you could jump off that bird in mid flight and land where you had to go to do your quest instead of taking the pre-programed scenic tour and landing a 5-10 minute run away.

The graphics are a bit cartoonish but you can overlook that as there are some cities that look really nice and were really well done....ie: Stormwind, Ironforge.

Crafting in the game pretty much sucks as you can always buy better armor or weapons at the auction house instead of wasting countless hours trying to farm for materials and getting your skill up.

These are just some pet peeves I had about the game only after starting new characters. Your first character will always be the best one cause that's when you see the world for the first time and experience everything anew but as soon as you start rolling a second character, that's when it hits you. At least for me, that was the case.

Some can argue and say that you will get bored rolling a second character in GW and yes, they will make a valid point but the time sink will not be as great.

Also, your character in GW is unique unlike the cookie cutter characters in WoW...everyone always using the same skills.

This is just my $.02

Sorry for the rant.

Drakharran Zealot · Jul 25, 2005, 12:13 PM // 12:13

..On a side note, no one has mentionned the immense lag in Ironforge, no matter how good your PC is.

Hobbes · Jul 25, 2005, 01:17 PM // 13:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yukito Kunisaki

I'm an adult who doesn't throw money away... usually. I have something most adults have to deal with too. It's called bills. Bills from real life.

Hi

Im adult, with bills from real life, with girl friend, work etc, and im lucky to pay a game like WoW. (i give up)

Quote:

GW I think is for the person who sees gaming as just that. Gaming.
WoW is for the one who wants to live elsewhere cause their life sux0rs or something...

Damn, so rong, i play WoW for 5/6 months, and i have and like my life.

I start playing GW 3 days ago and so far i like it alot, cant say more coz im still newbie

But with WoW...well WoW its MMORPG and GW isnt, we cant compare both games.
WoW was the best mmorgp i haver played ...untill lvl 60, when you bang lvl 60 you farm over and over high lvl instances for gear to use in MC/Onyxia/Azuregos.
Ok, i have 2 lvl 60 (hunter and rogue both with 300/300 craft) and now? nothing, thats the problem, WoW end game sucks, you have nothing more to do. Yes, you can raid MC, but i work and raiding MC is like 4-6 hours, i dont have that time to play, only in weekends, i cant pay a game only for use in weekends, the WoW have problems with balance the chars, Shaman are god, like Pallie and rogue. The others class are nerfed. Example, you are Hunter and see one shaman, both lvl 60, the best tactic for hunter is ...runnnnnn.

PvP in WoW...worst PvP i ever see, zerging around, no tactics, nothing, with my hunter i just stay far from the batlle and hitting, nothing more. My first and last time in BG (battle grounds) i boost my HK, just need to hit one time and if he die..one more HK for me...and i dont do nothing , just one hit. This is PvP ? Not for me.

Gank..alot of 12 years players with no brains and too many time to play, ganked lvl 30s over and over again. right now, one lvl 60 can kill one lvl 49 and win HK..sad.

Maps are huge, but its too easy to travel, if GW have transport, WoW have Mount (normal or epic).

WoW end game sucks, PvP sucks, Chars Balance sucks (god chars). The sad is when you bang 60 you have nothing to do, only if you have 4-6h and have no work.

sorry for my bad english

Hobbes

OverlordTyrael · Jul 25, 2005, 09:15 PM // 21:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weezer_Blue

(even though the WoW forums are spammed with W/Mo's being overpowered rumors)

As an example of why these rumors are untrue, I'd like to say that yesterday, my godly equipped caster killing W/Mo just got raped by a mesmer using illusionary weaponry and some other skills that allowed him to evade all of my attacks, give me -health degen, and black out all of my skills.

It's all in how you play the character.

berko · Jul 25, 2005, 10:47 PM // 22:47

I just have to say that WoW being cartoonish totally turned me off.
I was actually considering on buying it, then i went on the site and noticed the cartoony look and instantly lost the desire to buy it. But that's just be though.

Zeek104 · Jul 26, 2005, 12:32 AM // 00:32

"/Off topic

Are there any other half-way decent MMO's that don't charge a fee besides GW?

/On topic"

Said by Darkest Dawn

To answer that question, Neverwinter Nights held my attention for 2+ years between two very well done MMOish servers. Very good DM support and updated on a regular basis and its free. PM me if you want further info. Im just tired of NWN and want a change. I do wish that PvP would be allowed everywhere except the main towns.

Hell Marauder · Jul 29, 2005, 03:20 PM // 15:20

The best part of GW is you can stop playing for 6 months and still be able to come back to it, with no cost at all. As for Wow, it's got depth and volume and interactive world but those content can also become boring after 9 months of nonstop playing, and then you're stuck with either paying for not playing, or quitting and losing your characters forever. I too get bored with GW now, but I'll stick to GW for the long run because I know my characters will stay alive for as long as ANET will.

Darkest Dawn · Jul 29, 2005, 03:46 PM // 15:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeek104

"/Off topic

Are there any other half-way decent MMO's that don't charge a fee besides GW?

/On topic"

Said by Darkest Dawn

To answer that question, Neverwinter Nights held my attention for 2+ years between two very well done MMOish servers. Very good DM support and updated on a regular basis and its free. PM me if you want further info. Im just tired of NWN and want a change. I do wish that PvP would be allowed everywhere except the main towns.

Thanks! I have done some research on NWN, and it looks like a lot of fun! Someone told me there were a mad amount of mods out there for it.

/on topic

I won't lie, I play GW because there is no fee. If the other games like WOW and E2 were free, I'd buy them in an instant. Call me cheap, but a couple hundred bucks a year is something I'd rather not do. GW is my first online RPG style game. I would love to try WOW and other games like it. I'm sure I'd really enjoy them.

That said, I have enjoyed GW a lot! I do not regret buying it -- at all!

Krytan Warrior · Jul 30, 2005, 11:28 PM // 23:28

I bought WoW a while ago... and well, it is a good game to be honest. There are couple of things which I don`t like about it.

1. In order to be successful in WoW, you have to seriously dedicate yourself to the game. You have to grind (very boring) for hours to level up. If you play about 1 h a day it takes loooong to become even nearly competetive. I have a job and a girlfriend so my gaming time is limited.

2. Almost all the characters in WoW are basically clones, what comes to the skills they use in battle.

3. Player skill has almost nothing to do with how good you are in WoW. Casual player like me is a loser all the time, because I don`t spend my time grinding for levels and items.

4. Monthly fee. I don`t want to pay big cash every year just to play 1 h a day.

Guild Wars is really a game to me, a casual player. I feel I am pretty good in GW even though I don`t spend all my free time playing. That really is a major plus-side in GW. Player skill is important here.

Guild Wars really is a great game.

Jaythen Tyradel · Jul 30, 2005, 11:42 PM // 23:42

This question keeps coming up on this forum..so easy put:

Read this forum and othes on GW for people's likes and dislikes.
Then go read WOW's forums for the same info.
Read about what people complain about, what they rave about, what they think should be added or removed and how has the company (if at all at that time) has responded to those suggestions.

I havent played WOW. So I cant offer a personal opinion, just repeats from what I have heard from others.

On GW:

1. No Monthly fee.
2. No Player Killing/Loot Stealing. Want to kill other players? You have PVP and are rewarded for it too instead of hated.
3. Realtively easy enough to get the best armor. 15k is optional and for those who seek to spend the money on better looking armor.
4. No "uber" or "Godly" weapons that own all. Weapons and skills for off each other and the attribute points you use.
5.Don"t like being a pyromancer or Sword warrior? Change at will. Not stuck with being one particular type of charchter. GW allows you to change you secondary prodession if you get bored with your original selection or just want to unlock all skills in different professions.
6. PVP and PVE are not entirely joined or seperated. You can play PVE and use that charachter in PVP mathces. PVP charchters can be created at will to meet the needs of your playing style. Once dedicated to a fighting style, faction points allow you to upgrade your charchter.

The Warbringer · Jul 31, 2005, 08:07 PM // 20:07

.:Warning, this is all my opinion, if you don't agree with it I really don't give a ****:.

Yes, I have played both games

If you don't want to read all of it, scroll down to the bottom and read the last paragraph

WoW and GW are two totally different games. One is more based on items, level and money (That being WoW) and the other is more based on skill (GW). I'm not going to totally bash WoW, because I have played it and it isn't a "bad" game. Just not my type.

Wow is definitely more slow paced than this game, and if you want a fast paced game get GW. I say that because for the most part, in WoW you will be soloing and fighting one mob at a time while in GW you will always be partying and will likely be facing more mob than one at a time. -GW

Flexibility and customization. GW is definitely more flexible, which is both a good and bad thing. Good because of the obvious reasons, but at the same time bad because it makes a game which already lacks individuality (Sorry guys, colors don't count ; ) ) even more monotone. In WoW, you have to give up a certain amount of gold, which is very painful to your pocket, especially if this is your fourth or third time switching. -GW

Instancing. Ahhhh... Instancing... This is yet again a double edged sword. Good - No fighting over monster drops, no griefing, and the solitude. To me, this is a big downfall in GW because I am a person that likes to socialize, and honestly, it isn't fun socializing with a party of 4-8 when at the very minimum one is a jerk. Of course, in some areas of WoW there is instancing, but for the most part you will be out in the middle of a (very large) world. -WoW

Map size. There isn't really much to say here except that WoW feels MUCH larger, and I would guess that it is. -WoW

PvP. Well this has its ups and downs for both games. WoW - Gankfest, but you always have to be on your toes and be prepared to be ambushed. The latter is fun at times, but not fun at the same time. Of course, ganking isn't fun either =P. GW has a PvP system that is more reliant on skill and not level. Both have a semi-similar system for rewarding PvP players. This is "Faction" in GW, and as you defeat players and win matches, you gain this. With a certain amount of faction, you can unlock items for your PvP only characters. In WoW, they have "Honor". With Honor you can unlock various things including "Mounts", or horses and similar animals that increase your speed while you ride them, and unique and high quality armor. -GW
PvE. WoW has more quests and more levels than in GW, and also has the option of "dungeons" or "instances" depending on which game you play. Once you are done with those quests and are level 60 you can try to get the best items and armor. -WoW

Graphics. Both have good graphics, but one has much less lag and that is GW. WoW has "Cartoonish" graphics, but they are still very good, just in a different way than GW's very realistic graphics. -Tie

Monthly fee. WoW has one, GW doesn't. End of story. - GW

Combat system. Both have great gameplay but very different ones. GW is more tactical in the sense that you can only have 8 skills at once, while in WoW you can have them all. They have a very different skill customizing system too. In WoW, you increase "talents" that for the most part only effect one skill. This of course has its exceptions, like the critical hit % increase that rogues get a chance to have. In GW, you increase attributes like "fire magic" or "air magic" for an elementalist that increase effectiveness for all skills that are under the pertaining category. It should also be noted that in GW you can have two classes.- GW

Overall gameplay. I'm not going to go in depth on this, but in GW you can only do PvP or PvE, while in WoW you can do the two former and level up in your "Professions", like leatherworking and tailoring. - WoW

Overall. Sorry but GW takes the cake for this one simply because of the monthly fee that WoW has. If money isn't an object for you, get WoW

onizuka · Jul 31, 2005, 10:50 PM // 22:50

foolish ppl, how you going to compare GuildWars with World of warcraft on a GW or WOW forum? i still think WOW is a lot better than guildwars. i've played both. Guildwars's world is so fake but WoW is a living world. in WOW, i can jump right in to have some fun with or without team and you always have something to do unlike guildwars. guildwars is messed up. i often have to wait almost a hour just to find a good group for pvp or mission. everything about guildwars is just for the looks on your character. when u find a uber item or craft an uber equipment in guildwars, what u have in mind is "hell yeah, time to show off"( wth is this? MIss GuildWars? what is the fun of showing ppl your beautiful mask? under that mask is same as everyone else). when u find a uber item in Wow, first thing you want to do is woot some alliance or horde's butt. about pvp in guildwars, their idea is good but the works that they done are trash. in WoW, u r free from those dumbass teams, and free from "OMG! we need a monk". if u want some real pvp fun, go raid a town with a large group of people or ambush someone by hiding in the forest. those that say WoW dont require skills are newb. i have to use a lot more skills than guildwars when i was playing WoW. i will seriously trash this game when i get my destop fixed. i know some of these immatures will be saying " go back to your grind" but guess what? hidden grind in guildwars is worse. u used so much time like grinding to get a beautiful mask but under that mask is just same as all of us. the reason that most of the ppl who bought guildwars is because there is no monthly fee. face the facts. Guildwars is not even close enough to compare with the world leader mmorpg.

Edited: do your know why today's MMORPGs have more and more grind? Blizzard understands the real reason why and they use it. i'm so disappointed at AN....

the bloodthirst · Jul 31, 2005, 11:23 PM // 23:23

I played WoW for 6 months and had a lot of fun. You had an overwhelming pride for the side you played for. If you played horde the horde players always helped you out. I never saw anyone asking for money to run them through an instance ( equivalent to a mission) simply because the money lower lvls could offer would do nothing for higher lvls. With GW the only pride lies with your guild. And when your guild rises in the ranks it only gets more heated. But i dont think i will ever experience the same pride in GW that i felt in WOW. The fee wasnt to bad i payed i think $11.99 for 6 months. depending on what plan you took the game would be more expensive or less expensive each month. the less expensive ones required a bigger commitment. I love GW because their is no fee. I am not required to play. I got this game 2 months ago and started my account. I was still playing WoW so i didnt actually play GW. About 3 weeks ago my account with WoW ended so i started playing GW. I hadnt played in over a month but that didnt affect a thing. i lost no money. I got addicted to GW since i had no other commitment to another game. The WoW game world is bigger but, that isnt saying the GW world is small. trying running from ascalon to the henge....prolly would take you 2 hours or more. The WoW world seems so much bigger because of the lack of teleporting. The griffon rides in WoW made the world seem huge because they took long pointless paths in order to get you to your destination. The amount of detail in WoW is much bigger and you will rarely run into someone who looks just like you but, if i had a dollar for everyone who used the same build as me i would be a very rich man. WoW is just a way more in depth game that is more centered around pve then pvp (pvp is still a blast in the game either way). If you want to play an overwhelming game that will totally take over your life and make ppl you know hate you for not hanging out with them(you wont regret it if they do) then play WoW. If you want to play a game that doesnt require much time and effort then play GW. I find the lvl of enjoyment for both games to be the same. But they are completely different in most aspects so i cant say one is better then the other. They can only be compared.

Numa Pompilius · Jul 31, 2005, 11:30 PM // 23:30

It's really really late, I'm really really tired, and this is probably really, really out of line, and if so the moderator can just delete this - but why is it that people who love WoW can't type English? It just hurts my eyes to read text without capitals and punctuation but with lots of SMS speak, and it hurts my brain trying to reconstruct the sentences.

For what little it's worth, my position can be summed up easily enough: GW is beautiful, elegant and has no monthly fee. WoW is ugly, brute force, and has a monthly fee.

I play GW.

Jul 25, 2005, 05:20 AM // 05:20	#42
Weezer_Blue Elite Guru Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Just a Box in a Cage Guild: Hurry Up The Cakes [Oven]	Guild Wars allows you to choose a primary and secondary profession from a list of 6 classes. -Warrior -Ranger -Necromancer -Monk -Mesmer -Elementalist These classes are all balanced. There is none of this "If you want to win, be a ___" crap (even though the WoW forums are spammed with W/Mo's being overpowered rumors). While all class combinations can be put to good use, no matter how outlandish, there are some good combinations for each profession, and some you should avoid. Your primary profession effects what you look like, how much armour you have (and what type you wear), how much energy and energy regen you get, and the runes you can use (these give + to attribute). It also decides your "Primary Attribute" which you only get if that's your primary profession. Your secondary profession gives you access to skills and attributes, and in turn weapons from both your primary and secondary. While you cannot pump the primary attribute for your secondary, all the skills, even from that attribute, are still available to you. The map is pretty big. I definatly wouldn't want to run all the way across it in one go. The entire game, with the exception of Outposts, is instanced. Meaning that you and the party you formed are thrown into your own copy of the world, seperate from everyone else. There aren't any people camping monster spawns, or kill stealers, and stuff of that sort. And you can't be PKed off guard. Once you get to an outpost, it stays on your map. You can instantly travel to it any time you want by opening your map and clicking it. The PvP is all gladiatorial style. There's no "go into the special PKing area with a big group and gank whoever we can and take his stuff". In PvP, you go to an Arena, form a party (unless it's a random arena), and enter the mission. Then you will be in yet another instanced zone, against the other team. You don't lose money or anything for losing, nor do you gain a whole lot. When you buy a skill using an "RP character" (the ones that have access to everything, it automatically unlocks it for your "PvP characters" (the ones that can be created spur of the moment using things collected by other characters, but can only participate in PvP). You can also unlock items by collecting "Faction" from winning battles, and using it to purchase PvP only character unlocks. There are ~25 missions in the game. There are a hell of a lot more explorable areas which go all over the place, surrounding the mission maps that are small in comparison. The games graphics are far superior, and before the release of the next expansion, the engine will be upgraded, even for those who choose not to buyt he expansion. The game has no monthly fees. The game has less "grind" (although, nowhere near as little as during beta/rant) __________________

Jul 31, 2005, 08:07 PM // 20:07	#57
The Warbringer Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2005	.:Warning, this is all my opinion, if you don't agree with it I really don't give a **:. Yes, I have played both games If you don't want to read all of it, scroll down to the bottom and read the last paragraph** WoW and GW are two totally different games. One is more based on items, level and money (That being WoW) and the other is more based on skill (GW). I'm not going to totally bash WoW, because I have played it and it isn't a "bad" game. Just not my type. Wow is definitely more slow paced than this game, and if you want a fast paced game get GW. I say that because for the most part, in WoW you will be soloing and fighting one mob at a time while in GW you will always be partying and will likely be facing more mob than one at a time. -GW Flexibility and customization. GW is definitely more flexible, which is both a good and bad thing. Good because of the obvious reasons, but at the same time bad because it makes a game which already lacks individuality (Sorry guys, colors don't count ; ) ) even more monotone. In WoW, you have to give up a certain amount of gold, which is very painful to your pocket, especially if this is your fourth or third time switching. -GW Instancing. Ahhhh... Instancing... This is yet again a double edged sword. Good - No fighting over monster drops, no griefing, and the solitude. To me, this is a big downfall in GW because I am a person that likes to socialize, and honestly, it isn't fun socializing with a party of 4-8 when at the very minimum one is a jerk. Of course, in some areas of WoW there is instancing, but for the most part you will be out in the middle of a (very large) world. -WoW Map size. There isn't really much to say here except that WoW feels MUCH larger, and I would guess that it is. -WoW PvP. Well this has its ups and downs for both games. WoW - Gankfest, but you always have to be on your toes and be prepared to be ambushed. The latter is fun at times, but not fun at the same time. Of course, ganking isn't fun either =P. GW has a PvP system that is more reliant on skill and not level. Both have a semi-similar system for rewarding PvP players. This is "Faction" in GW, and as you defeat players and win matches, you gain this. With a certain amount of faction, you can unlock items for your PvP only characters. In WoW, they have "Honor". With Honor you can unlock various things including "Mounts", or horses and similar animals that increase your speed while you ride them, and unique and high quality armor. -GW PvE. WoW has more quests and more levels than in GW, and also has the option of "dungeons" or "instances" depending on which game you play. Once you are done with those quests and are level 60 you can try to get the best items and armor. -WoW Graphics. Both have good graphics, but one has much less lag and that is GW. WoW has "Cartoonish" graphics, but they are still very good, just in a different way than GW's very realistic graphics. -Tie Monthly fee. WoW has one, GW doesn't. End of story. - GW Combat system. Both have great gameplay but very different ones. GW is more tactical in the sense that you can only have 8 skills at once, while in WoW you can have them all. They have a very different skill customizing system too. In WoW, you increase "talents" that for the most part only effect one skill. This of course has its exceptions, like the critical hit % increase that rogues get a chance to have. In GW, you increase attributes like "fire magic" or "air magic" for an elementalist that increase effectiveness for all skills that are under the pertaining category. It should also be noted that in GW you can have two classes.- GW Overall gameplay. I'm not going to go in depth on this, but in GW you can only do PvP or PvE, while in WoW you can do the two former and level up in your "Professions", like leatherworking and tailoring. - WoW Overall. Sorry but GW takes the cake for this one simply because of the monthly fee that WoW has. If money isn't an object for you, get WoW Last edited by The Warbringer; Jul 31, 2005 at 08:21 PM // 20:21..

Jul 31, 2005, 10:50 PM // 22:50	#58
onizuka Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2005	foolish ppl, how you going to compare GuildWars with World of warcraft on a GW or WOW forum? i still think WOW is a lot better than guildwars. i've played both. Guildwars's world is so fake but WoW is a living world. in WOW, i can jump right in to have some fun with or without team and you always have something to do unlike guildwars. guildwars is messed up. i often have to wait almost a hour just to find a good group for pvp or mission. everything about guildwars is just for the looks on your character. when u find a uber item or craft an uber equipment in guildwars, what u have in mind is "hell yeah, time to show off"( wth is this? MIss GuildWars? what is the fun of showing ppl your beautiful mask? under that mask is same as everyone else). when u find a uber item in Wow, first thing you want to do is woot some alliance or horde's butt. about pvp in guildwars, their idea is good but the works that they done are trash. in WoW, u r free from those dumbass teams, and free from "OMG! we need a monk". if u want some real pvp fun, go raid a town with a large group of people or ambush someone by hiding in the forest. those that say WoW dont require skills are newb. i have to use a lot more skills than guildwars when i was playing WoW. i will seriously trash this game when i get my destop fixed. i know some of these immatures will be saying " go back to your grind" but guess what? hidden grind in guildwars is worse. u used so much time like grinding to get a beautiful mask but under that mask is just same as all of us. the reason that most of the ppl who bought guildwars is because there is no monthly fee. face the facts. Guildwars is not even close enough to compare with the world leader mmorpg. Edited: do your know why today's MMORPGs have more and more grind? Blizzard understands the real reason why and they use it. i'm so disappointed at AN.... Last edited by onizuka; Jul 31, 2005 at 11:01 PM // 23:01..

Jul 25, 2005, 05:07 AM // 05:07	#41
OverlordTyrael Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: #amplitudestudios Guild: Xen of Onslaught [XoO] Profession: W/Mo	Just as a quick post, I'd like to mention that i tried out WoW until i was about level 10, then quit completely because of the utter boredom that i felt. Playing a level 60 character in high end raids and PVP would be satisfying part, but up until the post-game of WoW, it's extremely boring: ie. collect 5 duskbat wings, collect 5 wolf fangs, kill 10 skeletons. The quests in Guild Wars had variety and are more than enough to keep me interested. Also, do not forget that Guild Wars was built to run comparatively smoothly even for people with low end graphics cards and 56k internet. Compared to WoW, where someone with 56k couldn't even play the game, 56k works fairly well in GW. If you seem to be lagging with your graphics card, turn down the resolution, turn off antialiasing and post processing, turn down textures, and you'll still get a great looking game that I suspect will run very smoothly. That's it for now, thanks for listening to me.

Jul 25, 2005, 09:12 AM // 09:12	#43
kyrell Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Germany Profession: N/E	The one thing that me bought this game was good graphics and no fees. I have never played WoW but in the commercial they are more or less at the same level. But no fees is a great advantage for me that has no credit card and living outside US. Unless they accepted paypal but thats too rare. That $150 can be $1500 if you use said $15/mo in smart investing. I'm an adult who doesn't throw money away... usually. I have something most adults have to deal with too. It's called bills. Bills from real life. For me thats a lot.Now if I cant play GW during exams month and projects stuff. I am not regretting.

Jul 25, 2005, 09:37 AM // 09:37	#44
Plommon Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Sweden Guild: Shiverpeaks Wolves Profession: N/Mo	Id say in terms of moneys worth GW>SWG>EQ2>Lineage2>WoW>Tibia

Jul 25, 2005, 09:56 AM // 09:56	#45
beefalo Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Jul 2005	ill try to give you a take from a eq/wow players perspective...mind you i just started GW yesterday and i never reached the high end content of either eq or wow(i lose interest fast...grinding is not my thing).... i honestly believe eq and wow are some of the greatest games ever made...the amount of depth in these games is unbelievable....i don't wanna make a very long post so ill just mention a couple quick things... wow has much more depth that GW....and i don't just mean in pve ...but in pvp also...battlegrounds and just random pvp in the world is a lot of fun...altho there is a high dependence on equipment and the fact that certain classes are gud for killing other classes there is still a lot of skill...and speed(can anyone say starcraft micro?) involved...the wow pvp is on much more of a massive scale than gw... gw has no monthly fee which is great for me....there isn't as much grinding to get to the same level as everyone else another plus for me....its not hard to get similar equip as other players which is again gud for me....pvp altho very different from wow is very interesting and strategic altho i still believe it doesn't have the same depth as wow...gw's pve side is more like a normal single player rpg with the option to have a couple friends connect to ur game and help...it actually reminds me a lot of diablo...im not too much a fan of this as i enjoyed walking around wow running into random ppl...actually felt like i was in a world....however the focus of gw is unlike other mmorpg games....imagine an fps where u get the chance to customize ur char over the campaign then u can take him into multiplayer matches...thats the way i think of gw...and altho i was dissapointed at first....getting more into the skills and understanding what is going on i realize gw is also a great game... which is better is like comparing apples and oranges...just pick which type of game you wanna play...i already listed why im playing gw now instead of wow....but for all the gw ppl in here...i have to say that you really should try warsong gulch with a 60 char in wow...the combat is very strategic and a lot of fun....

Jul 25, 2005, 10:12 AM // 10:12	#46
beefalo Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Jul 2005	wow i actually read over some of the previous posts and there is quite a bias against wow in this thread....i dunno wut the reasoning behind it is...mebe some of you just haven't tried it...but my housemates and i all bought the game and played it(6 of us)...it is an amazing game no doubt about it....altho i didn't have the patience to get to 60 its not that hard actually especially compared to eq...but even if u don't get to 60 the game is still great...quests are actually fun and have some meaning...combat is action packed and very strategic....altho some ppl may tell u otherwise the pvp is very well balanced...there are a couple things like shamans being a little overpowered and pallys getting shafted but giving pallys a snare and putting a longer cooldown on shaman shocks should fix it...blizzard is very well known for well balanced excellent multiplayer action(starcraft anyone? greatest rts ever made...very well balanced also...its true that terran is the strongest and toss weakest but that is because toss is the easiest to play and terran is the hardest)....i would still be playing wow if it wasn't for the 15 a month fee ...its not that i don't wanna spend the money but that i don't have much time to play and then its like im wasting that 15 a month....if u have a lot of free time and don't mind the 15 i think wow will be a better game if ur looking for a MMORPG....i truly believe that GW is not a mmorpg...if u are looking for diablo 3 with some great skill based pvp(small numbers tho) then gw is great...especially if u don't have much time to play and u just wanna go on and duke it out a bit

Jul 25, 2005, 11:56 AM // 11:56	#47
Gwaihir Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada	I have been playing WoW since the open beta. I enjoyed the game alot. It was a great game. You get very immersed into it as you're questing along on your FIRST character. As soon as I started making a second character, that's when it hit me.....boredom. Level 1-10 is pretty much go out and kill 10 of this and 6 of that and then come back to me for your xp and reward....Level 10-20 is the same as 1-10 except that the monsters change some. This keeps going on till you reach 60. That is what really drove me nuts. The repetitiveness of collecting/killing 10 of this and 6 of that. Granted, there were some nice quests in WoW but the storline really didn't go anywhere. Yes, you do get immersed into the game and you feel like you are in it while you are running and you see others running around doing their quests. That was a cool aspect of the game but sometimes it would really tick you off when you fight your way to a boss and you are killing the last guy before the boss and some idiot runs right in and kills the boss, takes the loot and you have to sit there and wait for respawn. Flying on the hippogryphs or taking the boat or tram (train) was cool for the first 10 times. After that, you just wish you could jump off that bird in mid flight and land where you had to go to do your quest instead of taking the pre-programed scenic tour and landing a 5-10 minute run away. The graphics are a bit cartoonish but you can overlook that as there are some cities that look really nice and were really well done....ie: Stormwind, Ironforge. Crafting in the game pretty much sucks as you can always buy better armor or weapons at the auction house instead of wasting countless hours trying to farm for materials and getting your skill up. These are just some pet peeves I had about the game only after starting new characters. Your first character will always be the best one cause that's when you see the world for the first time and experience everything anew but as soon as you start rolling a second character, that's when it hits you. At least for me, that was the case. Some can argue and say that you will get bored rolling a second character in GW and yes, they will make a valid point but the time sink will not be as great. Also, your character in GW is unique unlike the cookie cutter characters in WoW...everyone always using the same skills. This is just my $.02 Sorry for the rant.

Jul 25, 2005, 12:13 PM // 12:13	#48
Drakharran Zealot Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Kanada, eh?	..On a side note, no one has mentionned the immense lag in Ironforge, no matter how good your PC is.

Jul 25, 2005, 10:47 PM // 22:47	#51
berko Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Canada Profession: N/Me	I just have to say that WoW being cartoonish totally turned me off. I was actually considering on buying it, then i went on the site and noticed the cartoony look and instantly lost the desire to buy it. But that's just be though.

Jul 26, 2005, 12:32 AM // 00:32	#52
Zeek104 Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Jul 2005	"/Off topic Are there any other half-way decent MMO's that don't charge a fee besides GW? /On topic" Said by Darkest Dawn To answer that question, Neverwinter Nights held my attention for 2+ years between two very well done MMOish servers. Very good DM support and updated on a regular basis and its free. PM me if you want further info. Im just tired of NWN and want a change. I do wish that PvP would be allowed everywhere except the main towns.

Jul 29, 2005, 03:20 PM // 15:20	#53
Hell Marauder Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005	The best part of GW is you can stop playing for 6 months and still be able to come back to it, with no cost at all. As for Wow, it's got depth and volume and interactive world but those content can also become boring after 9 months of nonstop playing, and then you're stuck with either paying for not playing, or quitting and losing your characters forever. I too get bored with GW now, but I'll stick to GW for the long run because I know my characters will stay alive for as long as ANET will.

Jul 30, 2005, 11:28 PM // 23:28	#55
Krytan Warrior Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jul 2005 Profession: W/Mo	I bought WoW a while ago... and well, it is a good game to be honest. There are couple of things which I don`t like about it. 1. In order to be successful in WoW, you have to seriously dedicate yourself to the game. You have to grind (very boring) for hours to level up. If you play about 1 h a day it takes loooong to become even nearly competetive. I have a job and a girlfriend so my gaming time is limited. 2. Almost all the characters in WoW are basically clones, what comes to the skills they use in battle. 3. Player skill has almost nothing to do with how good you are in WoW. Casual player like me is a loser all the time, because I don`t spend my time grinding for levels and items. 4. Monthly fee. I don`t want to pay big cash every year just to play 1 h a day. Guild Wars is really a game to me, a casual player. I feel I am pretty good in GW even though I don`t spend all my free time playing. That really is a major plus-side in GW. Player skill is important here. Guild Wars really is a great game.

Jul 30, 2005, 11:42 PM // 23:42	#56
Jaythen Tyradel Jungle Guide Join Date: Apr 2005	This question keeps coming up on this forum..so easy put: Read this forum and othes on GW for people's likes and dislikes. Then go read WOW's forums for the same info. Read about what people complain about, what they rave about, what they think should be added or removed and how has the company (if at all at that time) has responded to those suggestions. I havent played WOW. So I cant offer a personal opinion, just repeats from what I have heard from others. On GW: 1. No Monthly fee. 2. No Player Killing/Loot Stealing. Want to kill other players? You have PVP and are rewarded for it too instead of hated. 3. Realtively easy enough to get the best armor. 15k is optional and for those who seek to spend the money on better looking armor. 4. No "uber" or "Godly" weapons that own all. Weapons and skills for off each other and the attribute points you use. 5.Don"t like being a pyromancer or Sword warrior? Change at will. Not stuck with being one particular type of charchter. GW allows you to change you secondary prodession if you get bored with your original selection or just want to unlock all skills in different professions. 6. PVP and PVE are not entirely joined or seperated. You can play PVE and use that charachter in PVP mathces. PVP charchters can be created at will to meet the needs of your playing style. Once dedicated to a fighting style, faction points allow you to upgrade your charchter.

Jul 31, 2005, 11:23 PM // 23:23	#59
the bloodthirst Academy Page Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Wherever isnt gonna get me shot Guild: Champions Horizon Profession: Mo/W	I played WoW for 6 months and had a lot of fun. You had an overwhelming pride for the side you played for. If you played horde the horde players always helped you out. I never saw anyone asking for money to run them through an instance ( equivalent to a mission) simply because the money lower lvls could offer would do nothing for higher lvls. With GW the only pride lies with your guild. And when your guild rises in the ranks it only gets more heated. But i dont think i will ever experience the same pride in GW that i felt in WOW. The fee wasnt to bad i payed i think $11.99 for 6 months. depending on what plan you took the game would be more expensive or less expensive each month. the less expensive ones required a bigger commitment. I love GW because their is no fee. I am not required to play. I got this game 2 months ago and started my account. I was still playing WoW so i didnt actually play GW. About 3 weeks ago my account with WoW ended so i started playing GW. I hadnt played in over a month but that didnt affect a thing. i lost no money. I got addicted to GW since i had no other commitment to another game. The WoW game world is bigger but, that isnt saying the GW world is small. trying running from ascalon to the henge....prolly would take you 2 hours or more. The WoW world seems so much bigger because of the lack of teleporting. The griffon rides in WoW made the world seem huge because they took long pointless paths in order to get you to your destination. The amount of detail in WoW is much bigger and you will rarely run into someone who looks just like you but, if i had a dollar for everyone who used the same build as me i would be a very rich man. WoW is just a way more in depth game that is more centered around pve then pvp (pvp is still a blast in the game either way). If you want to play an overwhelming game that will totally take over your life and make ppl you know hate you for not hanging out with them(you wont regret it if they do) then play WoW. If you want to play a game that doesnt require much time and effort then play GW. I find the lvl of enjoyment for both games to be the same. But they are completely different in most aspects so i cant say one is better then the other. They can only be compared.

Jul 31, 2005, 11:30 PM // 23:30	#60
Numa Pompilius Grotto Attendant Join Date: May 2005 Location: At an Insit.. Intis... a house. Guild: Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF] Profession: W/Me	It's really really late, I'm really really tired, and this is probably really, really out of line, and if so the moderator can just delete this - but why is it that people who love WoW can't type English? It just hurts my eyes to read text without capitals and punctuation but with lots of SMS speak, and it hurts my brain trying to reconstruct the sentences. For what little it's worth, my position can be summed up easily enough: GW is beautiful, elegant and has no monthly fee. WoW is ugly, brute force, and has a monthly fee. I play GW.